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From: Robert MacDonald <RMacDonald_at_udl.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Old White Stove Fuel
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:22:38 -0700
White gas is a relatively "pure" product, compared to gasoline, which contains many different components and additives.  I have had absolutely no trouble at all using old stove fuel.  If you are worried, try it out first.  I would put the stove in the refrigerator for a while, to simulate early morning camping conditions.

Rob.
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From: Michael Edelman <mje_at_spamcop.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Old White Stove Fuel
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:34:19 -0700 (PDT)
There are a few misconceptions here about white gas,
Coleman fuel and so forth. In short:

1. White gas is unleaded, additive free gasoline. It
is rarely encountered in the US. I have no idea where
to buy it here, at any rate.

2. Coleman fuel is mainly Naptha, a slightly heavier
distillate that is consequently slightly less volatile
and slightly safer than gasoline for use in stoves and
lanterns. Other commonly encountered forms of Naptha
are lighter fluid and Energine Cleaning Fluid.

A very good FAQ on stove fuels around the world can be
found here:

http://www.ultralight-hiking.com/fuelnames.html

mike


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From: John Kirk-Anderson <jka_at_netaccess.co.nz>
subject: [Paddlewise] GPS case
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:27:33 +1200
I have a Garmin GPS12 which I want to protect against water, as it is a
replacement for one that failed after a rain shower. When paddling I keep it
in a Seal Line plastic case, but I want something smaller for tramping. I
have had a bad run with AquaPac cases for my VHF, so don't want to go down
that track, but I still have their closure clamp.

A modified Otter Box would be an option, but may be a little too bulky.

I'm thinking about making my own case from waterproof fabric, with a clear
panel for operation, and sealed with the AquaPac closure.

Does anyone have experience with gluing fabric, particularly attaching clear
plastic to fabric? Any advice would be welcome, but products will need to be
generic, due to different markets/suppliers.

Any other solutions would be welcome.

Cheers

JKA


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John Kirk-Anderson
Banks Peninsula
NEW ZEALAND
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From: Joseph Pylka <jpylka_at_earthlink.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] GPS case
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:45:40 -0400
I have a Garmin 12 which I still use a great deal, although I now use a
Garmin 72 on water; it's water-resistant and it floats...

At times I use a hardshell case for the 12 and this works fine.  However,
to use the unit I have to open the case to get to it and this compromises
the function of the case. Also, depending on the box, some of those clamps
are very difficult to open.  I have one DIve Box with a transparent lid
which helps but I still have to open it...
I've done much better with a Seal Line Dry bag (not the cases made for
GPSs).  I can see the screen nicely through it and I can maneuver the unit
and manipulate buttons without having to open the bag.  
Joe Pylka
jpylka_at_earthlink.net

> I have a Garmin GPS12 which I want to protect against water, as it is a
> replacement for one that failed after a rain shower. When paddling I keep
it
> in a Seal Line plastic case, but I want something smaller for tramping. I
> have had a bad run with AquaPac cases for my VHF, so don't want to go down
> that track, but I still have their closure clamp.
> A modified Otter Box would be an option, but may be a little too bulky.
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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_magma.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] GPS case
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:00:00 -0400
On 12 May 2005 at 22:27, John Kirk-Anderson wrote:

> I have had a bad run with AquaPac cases for my VHF, so don't
> want to go down that track, but I still have their closure clamp.

Of the drybag type cases for electronics that I've seen, the ones 
that impress me the most are the ones made by Voyageur.  They are 
shaped with a boxy, opaque bottom and a clear top with a roll 
closure.  The bottom is padded.

<http://www.voyageur-gear.com/2002_product.php?category=Dry%20
Storage&page=1&filter=B#V122190>

> A modified Otter Box would be an option, but may be a little too
> bulky.

And it won't let you manipulate the buttons without opening.

> Does anyone have experience with gluing fabric, particularly attaching
> clear plastic to fabric? Any advice would be welcome, but products
> will need to be generic, due to different markets/suppliers.

No personal experience, but clear vinyl can be heat sealed.  A 
paddling friend of Amie's has made a chart case out of two layers of 
clear vinyl and just heated the seams together with an iron.  Not 
sure of the temperature.  If the temps are compatible, you could get 
heat-sealable fabric and heat the clear vinyl and opaque fabric 
together.  Sounds like experiments are in order.

Mike
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From: <danadickson_at_comcast.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Old White Stove Fuel
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:06:22 +0000
Old fuel can be put in a motor vehicle gas tank without harming the motor vehicle engine.   White gas stored in cool conditions and a closed metal container is likely to be fine for a couple of years. I don't use year old white gas on trips where a resupply is not feasible.

Dana
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