In a message dated 4/27/2005 11:45:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, steve_at_brown-web.net writes: How much am I paying now? I don't know. But seems to me your taxes won't be reduced by the amount Slick Rick cuts NOAA by. Just a thought. Rob G *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I'm paying now. The only question is: how much? I don't expect a tax refund because of this, but maybe it will go toward the deficit. As we all know from our personal budgets, it's usually the many small items that add up to big numbers. Anyway, whatever it costs AccuWeather to provide the service, you can bet it cost the Feds several times that. Also, no one has defined what services are going to be lost that relate to kayaking - if any. The bill only proposes not duplicating services which are provided in the private sector. Americans have a bad habit of complaining about their taxes, complaining about the deficit, and complaining about any reduction of government supplied services - sometimes all in the same paragraph. Steve Brown -----Original Message----- steve_at_brown-web.net writes: How much am I paying now? I don't know. But seems to me your taxes won't be reduced by the amount Slick Rick cuts NOAA by. Just a thought. Rob G *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Apr 27, 2005, at 3:13 PM, Steve Brown wrote: > I'm paying now. The only question is: how much? I don't expect a tax > refund > because of this, but maybe it will go toward the deficit. As we all > know > from our personal budgets, it's usually the many small items that add > up to > big numbers. You will still pay. You just won't be able to use what you pay for. What this bill means is AccuWeather and the Weather Channel can have the information for free, but you can't. AccuWeather would then be able to charge you to find what is now available for free online. You can go to http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/marine/marine_map.htm to find a marine forecast. This data will still be freely available to AccuWeather, but you will be blocked from accessing it. > Anyway, whatever it costs AccuWeather to provide the service, you can > bet it > cost the Feds several times that. This will not shut down the National Weather Service, just block your access to their data. AccuWeather gets data from NOAA to help generate their forecast. They then develop their own forecast based on this data and what they collect themselves. Now AccuWeather wants to compete with the NWS they must go beyond the what the government provides for free. If this bill passes, there will be no such incentive. The quality of forecasts will likely suffer. > > Also, no one has defined what services are going to be lost that > relate to > kayaking - if any. The bill only proposes not duplicating services > which are > provided in the private sector. No it proposes to shut down any service that might hurt the ability of the private sector to make money with NOAA data. If your local AM station broadcasts the AccuWeather forecast once an hour, the NOAA continuous weather radio broadcast competes with it and may be shut down. You will have 10 useless channels on your VHF. > > Americans have a bad habit of complaining about their taxes, > complaining > about the deficit, and complaining about any reduction of government > supplied services - sometimes all in the same paragraph. This is not being sold as a money saving measure. It will not affect our taxes. It just says that if during the course of predicting the next hurricane, the National Weather Service happens to notice that tomorrow is going to be a nice day, they can't tell us. They are still required to do the predicting, but they can only tell us what they learn if there is threatening weather approaching. Nick Schade Guillemot Kayaks 824 Thompson St Glastonbury, CT 06033 USA Ph/Fx: (860) 659-8847 http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
First of all, I didn't see anywhere that marine forecasts would be eliminated and turned over to accuweather. Where did you read that? Secondly, public safety announcements were not just excluded, the whole idea was for them to get back to that basic function. My understanding is that the raw sensor data will be provided, as it is now, to the various weather providers. They don't make money just by passing though information. They actually provide a service of sensor data post processing, forecasting, and dissemination. If you have information to the contrary, please share it and the source of it, because I didn't come across what you are claiming in that article. Maybe I missed it????? Steve Brown -----Original Message----- ....... This data will still be freely available to AccuWeather, but you will be blocked from accessing it. ........ This is not being sold as a money saving measure. It will not affect our taxes. It just says that if during the course of predicting the next hurricane, the National Weather Service happens to notice that tomorrow is going to be a nice day, they can't tell us. They are still required to do the predicting, but they can only tell us what they learn if there is threatening weather approaching. Nick Schade *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 4/27/2005 12:13:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, steve_at_brown-web.net writes: I'm paying now. The only question is: how much? I don't expect a tax refund because of this, but maybe it will go toward the deficit. As we all know from our personal budgets, it's usually the many small items that add up to big numbers. Anyway, whatever it costs AccuWeather to provide the service, you can bet it cost the Feds several times that. Also, no one has defined what services are going to be lost that relate to kayaking - if any. The bill only proposes not duplicating services which are provided in the private sector. Americans have a bad habit of complaining about their taxes, complaining about the deficit, and complaining about any reduction of government supplied services - sometimes all in the same paragraph. Dear Steve, Due to one party rule in Washington DC the deficit has been in very bad shape these past 4 years, so I understand your concern. The feds will still be providing the costly service of meteorology and hydrology, but not for you. The Comittee to Reelect Slick Rick will be given the information and repackaged and sold to us ungrateful commies that have been getting it free all these years. I do not know how many places publish tidal data in Great Britain, but when I look it up online the only place I find it is here: _http://easytide.ukho.gov.uk/easytide/EasyTide/Support/Pricing.aspx_ (http://easytide.ukho.gov.uk/easytide/EasyTide/Support/Pricing.aspx) Anyway, I'm sure kayakers don't go broke over there spending all their money on Her Majesties water levels, but I do hope we don't get to charging for every little thing. It's kind of a buzz kill. Ya see Steve, we are a great sea power and trading nation. That means that WalMart can drive their Chinese ships into the ports and unload them and a kayaker can paddle around the sea, too. We are all creating jobs and trade. Kokatat, Lendal, convenience stores, gas retailers and manufacturers, auto manufacturers, hotels, kayak coaches, designers, makers, breweries and coffee roasters, energy bar makers, chemical labs and plastic plants and tool makers all benefit by our efforts to get back to nature, not just the infrastructure Wal Mart or Ford need to trade. A government that provides desirable conditions for trade will maintain its great maritime and trading traditions. The government that locks information regarding the sea from the peasants and only gives it to the vassals of Senator Santorum takes us one small step away from that great tradition. Rob G *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> I don't expect a tax refund because of this, but maybe it will go toward the > deficit. We didn't have a deficit 5 years ago and could get charts on the Internet and didn't have to worry about VHF weather going away. > it's usually the many small items that add up to big numbers. But a couple really really BIG items can change the picture fast. > Americans have a bad habit of complaining about their taxes, complaining > about the deficit, and complaining about any reduction of government > supplied services - sometimes all in the same paragraph. That could be because taxes, the deficit and government services are all pretty much tied together. Craig Jungers Royal City, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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