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From: Margot Pantalone <mpantalo_at_tennessee.edu>
subject: [Paddlewise] That rumbling sound...
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:36:01 -0500
Hi,

Lately I've been practising edged turns and other maneuvers. At first 
I was puzzled by the deep rumbling sound my boat was making. Then I 
realized it was my water bottle roiling about in the day hatch (soon 
to be joined by tubes of sunscreen, etc.) A couple of T-shirts or 
some plastic bubble wrap should quiet things down, but I wondered if 
someone has come up with a wiser solution? It's not like I need extra 
T-shirts or plastic bubble wrap for these fairly brief practice 
sessions. The fish would like things quieter, too. :->

Thanks so much,

Margot
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From: Ong Yong Hui <happywolfie_at_hotpop.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] That rumbling sound...
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 00:54:20 +0800
Hi,
	Well one thing that you can do is to change from a bottle to a
hydration pack with a drinking tube? In that way, you can leave it on your
deck rather than in the day hatch, and people generally hydrate better when
it is easy to access the water too. Only problem is that you might end up
drinking lukewarm water on a sunny day. Alternatively, you can get an
insulation pouch for your bottle perhaps.

Yonghui
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From: Kirk Olsen <kork4_at_cluemail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] That rumbling sound...
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:46:22 -0400
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:36:01 -0500, "Margot Pantalone"
<mpantalo_at_tennessee.edu> said:

> Lately I've been practising edged turns and other maneuvers. At first 
> I was puzzled by the deep rumbling sound my boat was making. Then I 
> realized it was my water bottle roiling about in the day hatch (soon 
> to be joined by tubes of sunscreen, etc.) A couple of T-shirts or 
> some plastic bubble wrap should quiet things down, but I wondered if 
> someone has come up with a wiser solution? 

How about a knee tube.
http://www.knoydart.co.uk/display_access.php?category=8&access=5&id=243

Or an underdeck bag.
http://www.rutabaga.com/product.asp?pid=1001549

The above websites were the first ones I googled with decent pictures of
each possible solution.

I use a hydration bladder in a sleeve on my pfd.  For longer jaunts I
lash a second hydration bladder to
the deck.  Being sure to lash it tight as I don't want it to shift. I
usually paddle a skinny sit on top (surf ski)
there is no internal storage on my boat.

Kirk

Kirk
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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] That rumbling sound...
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:31:29 -0700
> How about a knee tube.
> http://www.knoydart.co.uk/display_access.php?category=8&access=5&id=243
>
> Or an underdeck bag.
> http://www.rutabaga.com/product.asp?pid=1001549
>
> The above websites were the first ones I googled with decent pictures of
> each possible solution.

Here is another underdeck bag - costs $16 more.
http://members.tripod.com/kayakfit/underdeck%20Bag1.htm
I didn't try it, but I like the idea of sliding bag towards the paddler.
Reaching deep into knee tube or some mmobile bag seems uncomfortable thing
to do in rough waters.
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From: Margot Pantalone <mpantalo_at_tennessee.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] That rumbling sound... Thanks
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:05:25 -0500
Before starting this thread, I hadn't even considered a hydration 
system. Thanks for all the ideas.

My boat is low volume (a Foster Silhouette) so there's not a lot of 
room for underdeck options. A PFD-mounted hydration bag, though, 
should work great.

Back in the '70s I had a beta edition of a Camelbak: a rubber lined 
wine skin. More kind than a metal canteen on hikes. Great for 
wandering around campus. Plain awful for taste once the wine and 
rubber fully interacted. I'm glad the technology has moved on.

Margot


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From: PC Paddle & Oar <pcpaddle.oar_at_ns.sympatico.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] That rumbling sound... Thanks
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:52:01 -0300
For spare water in the hatch, I freeze a water bottle overnight, then put a 
neoprene "can cozy" over the bottom half, hack a hole in the bottom of 
another to accomodate the bottle neck, and pull it over the bottle 'til it 
meets the lower cozy.  Keeps the ice/water cold, silences the bottle, and 
provides flotation if it goes over the side.

Glenn
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] That rumbling sound... Thanks
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 06:23:24 -0700
Glenn said:
> ...........Keeps the ice/water cold, silences the bottle, 
> and provides flotation if it goes over the side.

Us salt water paddlers have an advantage. Since fresh water is less dense
than salt water, we don't need to add extra floatation to our water bottles.
They float anyway.

Steve Holtzman
Southern Calif
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From: PC Paddle & Oar <pcpaddle.oar_at_ns.sympatico.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] That rumbling sound... Thanks
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:08:24 -0300
Yes, but...ever try to spot a mostly submerged clear bottle in a wind chop?
I lost my favourite small-mouth Nalgene that way on Antigonish Harbour last 
summer...

Glenn
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] That rumbling sound... Thanks
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:22:28 -0700
> Yes, but...ever try to spot a mostly submerged clear bottle 
> in a wind chop?
> I lost my favorite small-mouth Nalgene that way on 
> Antigonish Harbour last summer...

That's the main reason I switched to a Camelback. I hate things on my front
deck. Makes a kayak look like the sale table at a K-Mart.

Did we just come full circle? (gr).

Steve Holtzman
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From: Richard Birdsey <birdseyclan_at_iprimus.com.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] That rumbling sound...
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:04:38 +1000
I have had a similar but more serious problem with the contents of my 
day hatch ricocheting around when I do lots of rolls. The more serious 
aspect is that the items are expensive radios, phones and EPIRBS two of 
which have been damaged. I've also had Aquapacs punctured by sharp edges 
hitting the indide of the hatch and missiles knocking the wires for my 
bilge pump off the battery terminals.

I have got around it by loosely wrapping hard items in sheet foam, 
leaving dry bags partially inflated (but can still get them out the 
hatch at sea) and mounting some shock cord bungies in the hatch to tie 
things down.  These can be released easily at sea.

Richard
Sydney, Australia.
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From: Rob McLennan <rob_at_drumallnight.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] That rumbling sound...
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:40:10 -0500
(late to the thread; sorry, digest version . . . )

 

I have pictures of the setup I rigged to store a camelbak in the cockpit
(behind the seat). I secure the bladder with a 'biner to the backband strap:

 

http://mclennans.smugmug.com/gallery/225652

[note: it's easier to follow if you pick "Style: Journal" from the dropdown
menu at the top of the page]

 

-Rob

 

PS. The solution to the pressure head issue is obviously to only drink when
upside down. (Wink.) Seriously, it's never been a problem.
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