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From: <Rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Memorial Weekend paddle adventures/rescue scenario
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:22:34 EDT
Did  anyone have any memorable kayak trips over the Memorial weekend?  I  was
on-call for my job so wasn't able to leave town.
 
Memorable? Oh yes. We paddled Cape Flattery, Washington State, over the  
weekend, camping at Hobuck Beach on the Makah Reservation. We took trips to  
Tatoosh Island and the following day to Shi Shi beach. Conditions were good for  
the most part, though we did perform a rescue, of which I'll detail in a moment. 
 We launched in small surf off Hobuck and rounded Waatch Point, the north 
side of  Makah Bay. As we progressed along the Cape Flattery shoreline we ducked 
in and  out of rock and reef gardens, chutes and sea caves. The caves along 
flattery are  spectacular. In one of them we managed to get all of us into it 
and marvelled at  the high ceilings and multiple entrances and exits. The swells 
were only about 4  feet but quick with 8 second periods. The breeze was 
fairly steady to about 15  knots and added some wind waves to the swells and 
clapotis.
 
After a quick lunch on a pocket beach on the cape we paddled over to  Tatoosh 
Island. On the west side between Tatoosh and little Tatoosh we saw big  
colonies of Stellar Sea Lions. A couple of cranky bulls, the size of my car,  dove 
in to yell and moan at us, hastening our departure. Paddling back across  the 
channel, aptly named Hole in the Wall, the breeze picked up and raised up a  
short choppy sea with a decreasing ebb current still opposed to the breeze. 
 
We ran into another group of paddlers returning to Hobuck of whom a couple  I 
knew. This is when things changed for the worse. Along Waatch Point we  
threaded through a rock garden with following seas, studded by boomers. There  was 
a clear path but timing, as always is essential. Of the 4 in their group I  
knew *J* and J2* but not really anyone else. Our group cleared the garden and I  
turned to see the others come through. *J* yelled out BOATER OVER... SWIMMER! 
Uh  oh, not a good place for that.
 
*J* managed to be on scene first and had the boat up over the deck to  dump 
it. I yelled for everyone else to hold their position and face out to sea.  I 
yelled to *S* to get a line on the free boat to hold it off the cliffs. The  
boats were bucking in the surge and getting awfully close to the  rocks. *S's* 
towline was not ready and at 35 feet it was too long for where  we were, so I 
snapped my 15 foot line to *J's* kayak. I do not like  connecting to a rescuer 
as they need to be more mobile but it was all that could  be done at the time. 
I headed over to the opening and pulled *J* and *K* as far  from the rocks as 
I could without standing over the boomers. I then yelled to  get *K* in the 
boat. No response. It was a bit noisy and folks were  nervous, so I yelled 
again to get *K* in the boat. Still, *K* was not  in the boat. Hmmmm. Water had 
began infiltrating the boat again.The swells  coming through the gap were in a 
bit of a lull so I drifted back, grabbed *K's*  coaming and had *K* get in. 
 
When the spray deck snapped on I said *skip the pumping lean onto "J's*  
kayak for support and hang on*. My line was clipped onto *K's* bow by now  and 
then the big set rolled through. Yikes! I paddled into them in an effort to  get 
whatever sea room I could in the tight confines of the garden. It was enough  
but the ride was bumpy as the swells rolled through, breaking on the boomers 
and  spilling into us. I dug in hard with the big blades and for a few dozen 
yards  the going was tough. I think I braced once or twice but only looked at 
*J* and  *K*, the whitewater and the clean green room in front. We were actually 
paddling  almost parallel to each other but eventually made it.Once there we 
took the  time to get her boat pumped out and nerves detoxed. 
 
Our groups stayed together until we landed on Hobuck and debriefed. The  
rescue was quick, it worked and no one had anything worse than hurt feelings.  *J* 
and *K* looked like typical coastal paddlers around here: Mariner or British  
kayaks, immersion apparrel, helmets, pfd's and some tow lines. That being 
said,  we can still improve somewhat. 
 
*J* was quickly on the scene, doing a full 180 and starting the T Rescue  
before anyone else got there. *J* was first in spotting the capsize. *J*  
suggested the tow line carried was not instantly deployable so it offered  no real 
benefit for this scenario. 
 
*S's* tow line was 35 feet long and its use would have stood him in the  
impact zone. *S's* clip was not instantly ready to deploy. "*S* might  benefit by 
daisy chaining the 35 foot line down to 15-20 and have a non  corrosive quick 
release clip on the line to release the daisy chain. Also, *S*  should have 
the clip out of the bag clipped onto a D ring on the belt so it can  be had fast 
when needed.
 
I suggested skipping the T part of the rescue and getting *K* back in fast  
and scooting *K* out to cleaner water then pumping out. *K's* boat, a Mariner  
Coaster with no bulkheads and 2 large fixed floatbags was adequate to allow  
that, though pumping would possibly be more arduous later.
 
I suggested I did not like clipping onto *J's* kayak to pull them off rocks  
but was all I could do at the time. *K* did not get back in the boat nearly  
as fast as needed. I think the delay was their not making the connection to  
reenter while I was pulling them off the rocks. *J* might have had better luck  
if *J* was in position to hold coaming and get *K* onto back deck and reenter  
while I was pulling. That is pure speculation, though.
 
The tow worked but was not pretty. *K* ended up slightly behind *J* and the  
line went under *J's* boat a bit. *K* held on to *J's* boat gamely by gripping 
 deck lines in back and draping over so *J* could paddle. *J* used a GP and I 
do  not know what effect it had in our forward momentum. (CONTROVERSIAL 
STATEMENT  ALERT:) I was very glad I did not have my GP as the concussive power of 
my  big blades were exactly what I needed when I need them. The GP, in my 
hands, may  not have been enough.
 
BOATER OVER rhymes with Motor Voter, Snow Blower, Body Odor, etc. CAPSIZE,  
seems less confusing to me.SWIMMER is unmistakeable.
 
I coded the names and de-gendered the text in case anyone involved wants  to 
get uninvolved. It makes for clumsier reading to which I apologize. Your  
comments appreciated.
 
Rob G
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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_magma.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Memorial Weekend paddle adventures/rescue scenario
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:32:45 -0400
On 1 Jun 2005 at 15:22, Rcgibbert_at_aol.com wrote:

> I do not like  connecting to a rescuer as they need to
> be more mobile but it was all that could  be done at the time.

I've been in that situation and I think that what you did was 
correct.  In my case, I was the rescuer and the person towed.  The 
person towing felt that it would be quicker and easier than messing 
about with towing a somewhat disabled paddler (hypothermia).  

I think that towing an accomplished paddler may often be better than 
towing a less capable one, providing that the paddler being towed is 
providing immediate assistance to the other paddler.  The 
accomplished paddler is more likely to be able to handle a tough 
situation even if they are clipped in.  They are comfortable using 
the other kayak as an outrigger and leaning onto it for support.  
They aren't likely to be shy about banging things about or pushing 
limits a tad.

It does bring to mind the idea that I think of occasionally - that 
the paddler being towed should have a quick-release capability.  Not 
easy if the tow is attached to the toggle or forward lifelines.

> daisy chaining the 35 foot line down to 15-20

nitpicking, but then, I'm an annoying terminology nit - chain sinnet. 
A daisy chain is something else.

> (CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT  ALERT:) I was very glad I did not have my GP
> as the concussive power of my  big blades were exactly what I needed
> when I need them. The GP, in my hands, may  not have been enough.

Not controversial to me.  I use the GP almost all the time, but 
readily admit that if I was in your position, I'd want my Lendal.  
The GP is great for everything _except_ acceleration and power.

Mike
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From: <Rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Memorial Weekend paddle adventures/rescue scenario
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:59:11 EDT
In a message dated 6/2/2005 11:33:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
mikedaly_at_magma.ca writes:

> I  do not like  connecting to a rescuer as they need to
> be more  mobile but it was all that could  be done at the time.

I've been  in that situation and I think that what you did was 
correct.  In my  case, I was the rescuer and the person towed.  The 
person towing felt  that it would be quicker and easier than messing 
about with towing a  somewhat disabled paddler (hypothermia).  

I think that towing an  accomplished paddler may often be better than 
towing a less capable one,  providing that the paddler being towed is 
providing immediate assistance  to the other paddler.  The 
accomplished paddler is more likely to be  able to handle a tough 
situation even if they are clipped in.  They  are comfortable using 
the other kayak as an outrigger and leaning onto it  for support.  
They aren't likely to be shy about banging things about  or pushing 
limits a tad.

That's a great point. I posted the scenario because the critical thinking  
skills and collective experience of others might reveal other reasoning  that 
could be useful. Post-incident reconstruction is useful to fine tune  decisions 
that will again need to be made in the future.


It  does bring to mind the idea that I think of occasionally - that 
the  paddler being towed should have a quick-release capability.  Not 
easy  if the tow is attached to the toggle or forward lifelines.
 
I noticed that *J* used a contact tow  to secure the kayak to  *K's* kayak. 
When we released on the green water I noticed *J* took several  seconds to 
unhook. *J* could not have released the carabiner under strain,  particularly if 
*K's* kayak somehow upset again. My contact tow is a 3 foot  length of 1 inch 
webbing with a quick release cam in the center for that  reason.



> daisy chaining the 35 foot line down to  15-20

nitpicking, but then, I'm an annoying terminology nit - chain  sinnet. 
A daisy chain is something else.
 
That's new to me. Hey Mike, you've been useful twice already!



> (CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT  ALERT:) I was very glad I  did not have my GP
> as the concussive power of my  big blades were  exactly what I needed
> when I need them. The GP, in my hands, may   not have been enough.

Not controversial to me.  I use the GP  almost all the time, but 
readily admit that if I was in your position, I'd  want my Lendal.  
The GP is great for everything _except_ acceleration  and power.


Love those Nordkapp blades! Lots of oomph. I know there is someone,  
somewhere with a GP that could deliver the power needed in the situation, but it  
wouldn't have been me. Water depth was spotty, too. They might have left a  couple 
inches of western red cedar on the rocks. 
 
Rob G
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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_magma.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Memorial Weekend paddle adventures/rescue scenario
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:24:58 -0400
On 2 Jun 2005 at 14:59, Rcgibbert_at_aol.com wrote:

> I noticed that *J* used a contact tow  to secure the kayak to *K's*
> kayak. When we released on the green water I noticed *J* took
> several seconds to unhook. *J* could not have released the
> carabiner under strain,  particularly if *K's* kayak somehow upset
> again. My contact tow is a 3 foot  length of 1 inch webbing with a
> quick release cam in the center for that  reason.

I would never use a contact tow that wasn't quick release.  

I have a low-profile cleat on my front deck that I use in conjunction 
with a short line and stainless carabiner. (photo of my cleat in 
center of this page: 
<http://www.kayakforum.com/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/guille/wiki.pl?Cleat>)

I used to use a pigtail on a WW rescue PFD, but not with my towing SK 
PFD.  I prefer the deck-mounted cleat.

Mike
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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: [Paddlewise] Anyone want to buy a cedar strip Outer Island....cheap?
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:08:06 -0400
We just had a big thunderstorm pass through.

My next door neighbor called me at work and said a large tree had fallen in 
my back yard.  I went paddling on Saturnday and had left my kayak on my car 
until late Sunday then moved it onto some slings in the backyard.  Big mistake:

http://mayfly.mannlib.cornell.edu/stormdamage/IMG_4937.jpg
http://mayfly.mannlib.cornell.edu/stormdamage/IMG_4938.jpg
John Fereira
jaf30_at_cornell.edu
Ithaca, NY
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From: <Harley1941_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Anyone want to buy a cedar strip Outer Island....cheap?
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:20:06 EDT
John,
 
Man what a bummer. But remember, If you can build it out of  wood, you can 
repair it also. There was a site where a guy rebuilt a kayak the  looked beyond 
repair, but I don't have it anymore. Talk to Jim et al on the is  forum, he 
has rebuilt one that was broken it half.
 
That looks like an oak tree, so maybe you could split out some  ribs for a 
skin on frame kayak. You know the old saying, "if you get handed a  lemon, build 
a kayak"
 
Good luck Buddy,
Ronnie
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From: Joyce, Thomas F. <TJoyce_at_bellboyd.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Anyone want to buy a cedar strip Outer Island....cheap?
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:55:08 -0500
John:  I admire you for sharing that with us.  Gorgeous boat.  

Tom
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From: Bob Denton <bob_at_sinkthestink.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Anyone want to buy a cedar strip Outer Island....cheap?
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:57:38 -0700
Ouch!! What a tragedy!
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From: Tommy M. McGuire <mcguire_at_crsr.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Anyone want to buy a cedar strip Outer Island....cheap?
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:36:16 -0500
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 02:08:06PM -0400, John Fereira wrote:
> We just had a big thunderstorm pass through.
> 
> My next door neighbor called me at work and said a large tree had fallen in 
> my back yard.  I went paddling on Saturnday and had left my kayak on my car 
> until late Sunday then moved it onto some slings in the backyard.  Big 
> mistake:
> 
> http://mayfly.mannlib.cornell.edu/stormdamage/IMG_4937.jpg
> http://mayfly.mannlib.cornell.edu/stormdamage/IMG_4938.jpg
> John Fereira

Whoo.  That's going to take a lot of duct tape.  My condolences on your
loss.

In the second photo, along the crack below the starboard cockpit rim
(now there's words to make you feel dizzy), it looks like the epoxy and
glass have delaminated from the cedar.  Is that an illusion, just me, or
what?

-- 
Tommy McGuire
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From: Joshua Teitelbaum <teitelba_at_post.tau.ac.il>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Anyone want to buy a cedar strip Outer Island....cheap?
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:38:57 +0300
My heart goes out to you, John.  I admire your sense of humor about the whole
thing.

Josh
(Cornell sabbatical, 1996-1997, Near Eastern Studies)

Quoting John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>:

> We just had a big thunderstorm pass through.
>
> My next door neighbor called me at work and said a large tree had fallen in
> my back yard.  I went paddling on Saturnday and had left my kayak on my car
> until late Sunday then moved it onto some slings in the backyard.  Big
> mistake:
>
> http://mayfly.mannlib.cornell.edu/stormdamage/IMG_4937.jpg
> http://mayfly.mannlib.cornell.edu/stormdamage/IMG_4938.jpg
> John Fereira
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From: Darryl <Darryl.Johnson_at_sympatico.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Anyone want to buy a cedar strip Outer Island....cheap?
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 07:33:10 -0400
> We just had a big thunderstorm pass through.
> 
> My next door neighbor called me at work and said a large tree had
> fallen in my back yard.  I went paddling on Saturnday and had left my
> kayak on my car until late Sunday then moved it onto some slings in
> the backyard.  Big mistake:
> 
> http://mayfly.mannlib.cornell.edu/stormdamage/IMG_4937.jpg
> http://mayfly.mannlib.cornell.edu/stormdamage/IMG_4938.jpg
> John Fereira
> jaf30_at_cornell.edu
> Ithaca, NY


Ouch!!!

-- 
  Darryl
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From: J Pivovar <jpivovar_at_headwinds.org>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Anyone want to buy a cedar strip Outer Island....cheap?
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 05:50:24 -0700
> We just had a big thunderstorm pass through.
>...
> http://mayfly.mannlib.cornell.edu/stormdamage/IMG_4937.jpg
> http://mayfly.mannlib.cornell.edu/stormdamage/IMG_4938.jpg
> John Fereira

If the "scratches of experience" adds to "character", just think of the stories
you can tell once you glue this back together and get it back on the water!  I
can see many campfire tales in your future - way better than the Korean Orca
Roll.

Seriously, sorry for your loss.  I paddled an Outer Island last month for the
first time and covet the boat.

Jennifer

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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Anyone want to buy a cedar strip Outer Island....cheap?
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:57:40 -0700
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This is exactly why I keep my kayaks in the dining room next to the
table. <grin>

Of course, we don't have a lot of trees in this area so perhaps I'm
being overcautious.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA

On 6/7/05, J Pivovar <jpivovar_at_headwinds.org> wrote:
> > We just had a big thunderstorm pass through.
> >...
> > http://mayfly.mannlib.cornell.edu/stormdamage/IMG_4937.jpg
> > http://mayfly.mannlib.cornell.edu/stormdamage/IMG_4938.jpg
> > John Fereira
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From: Jim Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Anyone want to buy a cedar strip Outer Island....cheap?
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:22:45 -0400
  To the unfortunate one who recently joined a very infamous club (I am 
VP of said club).  Here are two links showing what can be done once the 
splinters settle.  Stick the Outer Island in a corner for a while and 
break it out when the muse is upon you.  It will be fine in the end.  
And it will make for a cool story.  Especially if you embellish.  
Embellishment is the right of the story teller.

This kayak was very broken into many, many pieces on its maiden voyage.
http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/seayaktwo/album?.dir=27a3&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

This kayak was guillotined before it made it out of the shop. I wont 
name the builder.
http://community.webshots.com/album/149716235PrahZV/4

Jim et al
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