Very true, however, I have a problem with being taxed by my government for my activities outside their jurisdiction. Of course, the US gov't in their arrogance considers the world their jurisdiction, but that's another subject.........If Canada was going to get the funds, I wouldn't have a problem with it, because it's their country and their jurisdiction. For the one or maybe two weeks a year I paddle in Canada, it's not worth the money or the effort to me to get the license. I don't even turn my VHF on except to get the weather or monitor comm traffic on a long crossing. We use FRS for group communication. If you're going to paddle there a lot, I can see where the license would be handy, though. -- Wayne Smith wsmith16_at_charter.net Check out my website! http://webpages.charter.net/wsmith16/home.html ---- Derek <glamourpets_at_yahoo.com> wrote: > Its worth adding that the actual license and test is > easy. The stuff you need to learn for it is stuff you > should know anyway. If you want, you can buy the book > online and then take the test at your convenience. > > You can order the book here: > http://www.cps-ecp.ca/shipstore/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
wsmith16_at_charter.net wrote: > I don't even turn my VHF on except to get the weather or > monitor comm traffic on a long crossing. The license is for transmission. You can monitor without a license and you don't need a license to buy a VHF radio in Canada. In addition, weather receivers are license free. The problem is finding one that includes WX8-WX10. Those are not used by NOAA in the US and thus few receivers are so equipped. However, they are used in Canada and the Coast Guard uses WX8 and 9 for detailed weather and sicuriti broadcasts. Someone might know (Craig?) if there are small scanners that receive marine VHF channels if you want to monitor comm traffic. You can also take the Canadian exam and pay for a Canadian license if you don't want to pay for the US license. This is available for all non-citizens as the foreign licenses are only valid for short duration use and long-term use in Canadian waters require a Canadian license. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Michael Daly wrote: > You can also take the Canadian exam and pay for a Canadian license if > you don't want to pay for the US license. Michael, I did not know this. My US license is about to expire. If the cost is nominal and I can schedule the exam, I'd do it. I don't need a license down here. > This is available for all non-citizens as the foreign licenses are only > valid for short duration use and long-term use in Canadian waters > require a Canadian license. Are you sure about this latter part? My reading of the US regs indicates that the pair of licenses demanded of US boaters traveling in foreign waters follows US limits. If you have a link to the regulations governing foreing boaters using VHF in Canada, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dave Kruger wrote: >> This is available for all non-citizens as the foreign licenses are only >> valid for short duration use and long-term use in Canadian waters >> require a Canadian license. > > Are you sure about this latter part? I was until I looked into it. I can't find a reference to this anywhere. I may have confused it with another regulation or the regs have changed in the intervening years. My apologies!! That said: > My US license is about to expire. If the > cost is nominal and I can schedule the exam, I'd do it. I don't need > a license down here. I can't find anything on the Canadian Power and Sail Squadron's web site about foreign applications for the license. http://www.cps-ecp.ca/english/index.html - if you select <courses> (upper left hand of page), you'll see a list of courses that you can take; the Restricted Operator's Certificate (Marine) is the one for Marine VHF. It's C$45 for the two parts plus the exam fee. When I took the course, it was $40 for a classroom course including the exam. The Vancouver Squadron lists it at $80 this spring http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca/radio.html (chosen as an example near you). I guess the best thing you can do is e-mail the CPS and see what they know about your taking the Canadian exam and getting the Canadian license. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dave, I believe you are correct that "the pair of licenses demanded of US boaters traveling in foreign waters follows US limits" As I had previously referenced in this thread (back in November), the FCC indicates that, for US paddlers in Canadian Waters (source: http://wireless.fcc.gov/marine/fctsht14.html ) : "You do not need a license to operate a marine VHF radio, radar, or EPIRBs aboard voluntary ships operating **domestically**. Ships are considered as operating domestically when they do not travel to foreign ports or do not transmit radio communications to foreign stations. Sailing in international waters is permitted, so long as the previous conditions are met. If you travel to a foreign port (e.g., Canada, Mexico, Bahamas, British Virgin Islands) a license is required. Additionally, if you travel to a foreign port, you are required to have an operator permit " "If you plan to dock in a foreign port (e.g., Canada or the Bahamas) or if you communicate with foreign coast or ship stations, you must have a **RESTRICTED RADIOTELEPHONE OPERATOR PERMIT** (sometimes referred to by boaters as an "individual license") in addition to your **ship radio station license.** However, if (1) you merely plan to sail in domestic or international waters without docking in any foreign ports and without communicating with foreign coast stations, and (2) your radio operates only on VHF frequencies, you do not need an operator permit. NOTE: A ship radio station **license** authorizes radio equipment aboard a ship, while the restricted radiotelephone **operator permit** authorizes a specific person to communicate with foreign stations or use certain radio equipment (e.g., MF/HF single sideband radio or satellite radio). ======================= While there is some difference in terminology between US and Canadian regulations, there is a great deal of "symmetry" between the two. In both countries, there is a 'certificate' available to the OPERATOR of the radio equipment ("Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit" in the US, and the "Restricted Operator's Certificate (Maritime) - with or without DSC endorsement - in Canada), and a 'license' available for the BOAT (the "Ship Radio Station License" in the US, and the "Maritime Mobile Radio Station Licence for a Voluntarily Fitted Ship" in Canada). Because we, as paddlers, feel so much "at one" with our craft, we have a very fuzzy notion about the license - we think of the "paddler" as being licensed, when in reality it is the vessel that is licensed. ======================== Canadian requirements (source Industry Canada <http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/smt-gst.nsf/en/h_sf01775e.html> ) Do I need a licence for the marine radio equipment on board my vessel? You will NOT require a licence if you meet both of the following criteria: - the vessel is not operated in the sovereign waters of a country other than Canada. - the radio equipment on board the vessel is only capable of operating on frequencies that are allocated for maritime mobile communications or marine radio navigation. If you do not meet both of the above criteria, you will require a radio licence. Do I still require a Radio Operator Certificate? Yes. The Radio Operator Certificate is still a requirement for anyone who may be operating the maritime radio equipment, regardless of whether a radio licence is required. ================================ Dave Kruger wrote: > Michael Daly wrote: > >> You can also take the Canadian exam and pay for a Canadian license if >> you don't want to pay for the US license. > > > Michael, I did not know this. My US license is about to expire. If the > cost is nominal and I can schedule the exam, I'd do it. I don't need a > license down here. > >> This is available for all non-citizens as the foreign licenses are only >> valid for short duration use and long-term use in Canadian waters >> require a Canadian license. > > > Are you sure about this latter part? My reading of the US regs indicates > that the pair of licenses demanded of US boaters traveling in foreign > waters follows US limits. If you have a link to the regulations > governing foreing boaters using VHF in Canada, I'd appreciate it. > > Thanks. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
VE3JC John wrote: > "the pair of licenses demanded of US > boaters traveling in foreign waters follows US limits" Terminology thing - it's not actually two licenses but one license (station license) and one certificate (operator's). I tend to forget about the station license since it's not required for recreational boaters in either the US or Canada and only the operator's certificate is required in Canada. The exception is when crossing the border - the station license _is_ required. The odd thing is that neither country requires it in their own waters. However, a reciprocal agreement on station licenses hasn't been negotiated. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Michael Daly wrote: > sicuriti It looks like the mail list software strips out French characters. That's securite with appropriate accents on each e. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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