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From: <jaymtb_at_amigo.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Substitute weights for Sea Kayak trip
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:45:33 -0600 (MDT)
Good morning,

This may be a bit off the wall, but here goes.  I've been doing a lot of
sea kayaking in the Sea of Cortez, now totaling about 3K N. miles.  Trips
often are over 100 miles and require taking 30 liters of water /person, so
the weight in a boat is not light.  I usually take a wetsuit and speargun
for free diving.   For  diving with a full wetsuit, it usually takes about
6-9 pounds of lead weights, which are a pain to carry in a kayak, as they
never get lighter,  like food and water.

I've been working on an idea to  put beach pebbles in pouches and attach
them to the weight belt for diving, then just dump them when it is time to
move camp, to save carrying weight.  Obviously, lead is about 4-5 times as
heavy per unit as most rock, so more rock will be needed.  Presently, I'm
working on some weight pouches as an experiment.

I'm wondering if anyone has tried this kind of idea, and how it worked out.

The heavy boat thought reminded me of Doug.  Here's hoping you are
recovering well, Doug.

Thanks
Jay
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From: Nick Schade <nick_at_guillemot-kayaks.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Substitute weights for Sea Kayak trip
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:24:28 -0400
On Mar 11, 2007, at 3:45 PM, jaymtb_at_amigo.net wrote:

> I've been working on an idea to  put beach pebbles in pouches and  
> attach
> them to the weight belt for diving, then just dump them when it is  
> time to
> move camp, to save carrying weight.  Obviously, lead is about 4-5  
> times as
> heavy per unit as most rock, so more rock will be needed.   
> Presently, I'm
> working on some weight pouches as an experiment.

Remember to take into account that the buoyancy of water will effect  
the apparent weight of your rocks when submerged. If you need 30 lbs  
of lead, you could not for example replace this with 30 lbs of wood.  
The weight of wood and lead in the water is not the same. Or,  
strapping on 30 lbs jugs of water would not do anything. Likewise  
with rocks, while they will still help you sink, since they are  
substantially less dense than lead, the water will support the rocks  
more than it would lead. In other words, you may need 60 lbs of rocks  
to achieve the same effect as 30 lbs of lead. You may end up needing  
more rocks than is practical to dive with.

Nick Schade

Guillemot Kayaks
824 Thompson St
Glastonbury, CT 06033
USA
Ph/Fx: (860) 659-8847
http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/
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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_magma.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Substitute weights for Sea Kayak trip
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:09:18 -0400
jaymtb_at_amigo.net wrote:

> For  diving with a full wetsuit, it usually takes about
> 6-9 pounds of lead weights

Another option is to reduce your buoyancy.  Depending on the insulation 
requirements, you might be able to use something like Polartec 
Aquashell.  This is a fleece-lined nylon-Lycra fabric (also there are 
fuzzy rubber versions) that is neutrally buoyant.  It's equivalent to 
about 2mm of neoprene, so it might be too cold for the area you are 
diving in.

Mike
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