Does anyone know or have experience with quick-build stitch and glue kayak plans for a small kayak suitable for older children. I see kid's kayak plans, but wanted something for my girls that would do for ages 12 through 16. My daughter's reminded me today I promised to build them their own kayaks after we outgrew the canoe last summer. SOF's probably wouldn't have the abrasion resistance for daughters of mine. Doug Lloyd Victoria BC *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug, I would look at the Yosts boats. I know they are SOF but honestly I just cannot think of an easier boat. I remember seeing someone who had used a spare tarp as a skin on their kid's boats. Check out the Sea Flea and Sea Pup. Perhaps you can email Tom and see how to convert the lines to S&G. http://www.yostwerks.com/SeaFlea1.html Brgds -----Original Message----- From: Doug Lloyd Does anyone know or have experience with quick-build stitch and glue kayak plans for a small kayak suitable for older children. I see kid's kayak plans, but wanted something for my girls that would do for ages 12 through 16. My daughter's reminded me today I promised to build them their own kayaks after we outgrew the canoe last summer. SOF's probably wouldn't have the abrasion resistance for daughters of mine. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Yeah, got the Yost site from a few Paddlewisers. I even found some hidden gems after three days of Goggling, all manner of construction and material. I asked my daughters what their priorities were this morning as we looked on the internet pics I saved. Both want super, super light weight kayaks (my 100 pound plus Nordkapp scares them and Mom more than the ocean I think ); they want good looking boats (must be cool looking, not like some pond/punt boat, like no way Dad!; they want easy paddling at gunkholing speeds (as opposed to fast-speed efficiencies; the want to be able to paint their own kayaks in the colour schemes they want (one pink or light burgundy, one blue hues); and they don't want to have to wait forever for them or have them cost a lot (I just bought them a newer pool, trampoline and new bikes and, oh never mind, its endless). I'm thinking SOF's are the way to go. I have tons of free lumber. I'll never forget meeting Harvey in Portland, at his job site, making SOF kayaks on his breaks in the hardwood/lumber store loft, from scrapes of wood. My kids loved the Yost boats too. Perhaps, as Kirk claims, the SOF skins can be tough enough. I need to pick up the Cunningham book too, as I believe he gives downsizing instruction. Two kayaks at once would be efficient to make. Thanks to all for the input. I'd rather my kids learn to kayak than chase boys and drugs. So far, they have loved canoeing and a couple of years so far in the plastic double recreational kayak, but a little more independence is due. I'd love to see them enjoying nature and developing more outdoor skills, especially as a family together - and its a good compliment to all their church activity. Were gonna loose this planet if we don't instill a sense of appreciation to the younger generations. Thanks again Jeff and Kirk, et al. Doug Lloyd Victoria BC > Doug, > I would look at the Yosts boats. I know they are SOF but honestly I just > cannot think of an easier boat. I remember seeing someone who had used a > spare tarp as a skin on their kid's boats. Check out the Sea Flea and Sea > Pup. Perhaps you can email Tom and see how to convert the lines to S&G. > > http://www.yostwerks.com/SeaFlea1.html > > Brgds *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug Lloyd wrote: > I'd rather my kids learn to kayak than chase boys What an optimist! Just wait a few years! Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:34:51 -0700, "Doug Lloyd" <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> said: > SOF's probably wouldn't have > the abrasion resistance for daughters of mine. I think you underestimate some of the fabrics used for SOF. I've paddled a tandem baidarka built with George Dyson's 26 ounce nylon. The owners regularly ran the fully loaded boat straight onto the barnacle encrusted rocks in Maine. Another friend builds his boats using a 13 ounce polyester. He was paddling with the tide, and came to a complete stop atop some rebar coming out of an old piling in the river. He had to hop the boat to get it off the piling. No damage to the hull. Some fabrics will tear easily. The double woven nylons and polyester are pretty durable. I believe the nylon and polyester are normally used as filter material for paper pulp factories and water treatment facilities. Situations where a tear would be ugly... -- Kirk Olsen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Doug Lloyd wrote: > >> I'd rather my kids learn to kayak than chase boys > > What an optimist! Just wait a few years! > > Mike Yeah, I'm optimistic! In a few years I'll have them sculling, rolling, and even paddling jobbly water. :-) Doug *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From that I presume they are girls. All I can say (as father of a willowy teen soon heading off to college) :-\ is that the kayaking skills will give them a place where they can escape at will. :-) I have friends where the female half used to test boyfriends by seeing how well they could solo her ww kayak across a lake. Husband of many years was able to contain his frustration and do it fairly well--passing what was a serious weeding tool for her! GaryJ Michael Daly wrote: > Doug Lloyd wrote: > >> I'd rather my kids learn to kayak than chase boys > > What an optimist! Just wait a few years! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Gary, you said: > From that I presume they are girls. > All I can say (as father of a willowy teen soon heading off to college) > :-\ is that the kayaking skills will give them a place where they can > escape at will. :-) > > I have friends where the female half used to test boyfriends by seeing how > well they could solo her ww kayak across a lake. > Husband of many years was able to contain his frustration and do it fairly > well--passing what was a serious weeding tool for her! The "paddle-across-the-lake test", eh? Nice weeding-out process for prospective mates. My wife was a little different: asked me on our first date what my eschatological outlook was (perspective on end times, timing of the rapture, etc.). Afterward, she said if I hadn't known what she meant or couldn't answer, I'd have been screened out. Well, I immediately had a come-back and told her I was a pan-millennialist. She said, "Huh, what does that mean?" I said, hey gal, however the end pans out, that's how it pans out. Kinda like getting married. I then took her camping with friends a few weeks later in Vancouver Island's very wet, muddy mountains, and did it rain. She passed obviously. Even swam across a glacial-feed lake, tuckered me right out it did. A spouse who can't swim well and whines while camping was my weeding out test. She even seemed to enjoyed the rain back in those days. I do encounter an awful lot of paddlers who's spouse or partner doesn't share the same enthusiasm for the outdoors, or especially kayaking. Now talk about your religious difference, eh! The couples all seem to do okay though. Lots of compromise. I'll cc paddlewise, as I'm sure some folks can relate. Doug *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I had been a batchelor all my life, till a colleage, who had become a widow a few months earlier, and me became a pair. Some rules she demanded, would be adhered to: As she had spent so much time camping with kids, dog and husband, she was now beyond that - never more: No sleeping on the ground, ever. Promise?! One day my shoulder started to act up the first time, and we realised that we needed to get out more, move about more, somehow. Why not paddling?! Then I got some money and as we live in a small flat a Klepper became the obvious choice - I didn't know anything about any other type of folding kayak, so it was a Klepper Aerius II Expedition we bought. I then learned that my wife was an expert canoe paddler, as all those camping trips had included a Grumman, so retraining her for a Klepper was easy, and she knew the perfect lake to paddle on, with lots of unihabited islands and ready access. But after a while it was obvious that we could get more out of it, if we stayed overnight one one of the islands, or on one of the peninuslas. So we got a three-man Hilleberg tent, and as we aged we progressed to a bigger tent - now we can stand up inside our tent - a real blessing, and recently we got some Hennnessy's Hammocks :-)! And one Aerius II became an XXL, with a modification kit and then we were given an old skeleton from a 70's Aerius II, so now we have both a Ae II and an XXL, thus can take our friends with us! Yes, it is nice to share the outdoor interest with your spouse, and even if age makes us more and more disabled, we will spend many more happy weekends on our little lake! Hopefully keeping paddling/sailing/motoring our Kleppers till we reach 75, or so :-)! Tord *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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