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From: Derek <glamourpets_at_yahoo.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Fire Ban already? Gadzooks!
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 17:07:14 -0700 (PDT)
I just came back from a kayak event in Parry Sound
(about a 2 1/2 hour drive north of Toronto).  I was
surprised to see that the risk of forest fire was
listed as "high."  This seems a little bit nutty
because this is essentially the wet season.  Things
typically get MORE dry as we get into July and August!
 

Does anyone else have any unusual "dryness" reports?

Derek
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fire Ban already? Gadzooks!
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 19:21:51 -0700
   Florida, Georgia, and California are already having brush fires.

BRC

Quoting Derek <glamourpets_at_yahoo.com>:

> I just came back from a kayak event in Parry Sound
> (about a 2 1/2 hour drive north of Toronto).  I was
> surprised to see that the risk of forest fire was
> listed as "high."  This seems a little bit nutty
> because this is essentially the wet season.  Things
> typically get MORE dry as we get into July and August!
>
>
> Does anyone else have any unusual "dryness" reports?
>
> Derek
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From: Derek <glamourpets_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fire Ban already? Gadzooks!
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 19:31:13 -0700 (PDT)
--- "Bradford R. Crain" <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote:

>    Florida, Georgia, and California are already
> having brush fires.

How does this compare with "normal?"

Florida can have winter days that are as warm as an
Ontario summer!

In Georgia, the daffodil bulbs are in full bloom in
early March.  In Toronto, they don't bloom until the
end of April.

Derek

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From: John Huntington <jhuntington_at_fastmail.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 22:46:14 -0400
http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/
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From: John Huntington <jhuntington_at_fastmail.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 22:58:10 -0400
On 5/6/2007 10:46 PM, John Huntington wrote:
> http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/

Ooops, sorry, I thought the URL was more direct.   Look at picture #17.

John
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From: Duane Strosaker <strosaker_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 20:50:08 -0700 (PDT)
John,
   
  I'd say it's an old Perception Carolina:
   
  http://www.kayaker.com/new/products/boat.asp?type=discontinued&ID=7
   
  Plastic, plastic, plastic sure proved itself in all that terrible devastation. Unbelievable!
   
  Duane
  Southern California
   
  
John Huntington <jhuntington_at_fastmail.net> wrote:
  On 5/6/2007 10:46 PM, John Huntington wrote:
> http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/

Ooops, sorry, I thought the URL was more direct. Look at picture #17.
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 21:25:47 -0700
   Maybe Perception should start building houses.
BRC

Quoting Duane Strosaker <strosaker_at_yahoo.com>:

> John,
>
>   I'd say it's an old Perception Carolina:
>
>   http://www.kayaker.com/new/products/boat.asp?type=discontinued&ID=7
>
>   Plastic, plastic, plastic sure proved itself in all that terrible   
> devastation. Unbelievable!
>
>   Duane
>   Southern California
>
>
> John Huntington <jhuntington_at_fastmail.net> wrote:
>   On 5/6/2007 10:46 PM, John Huntington wrote:
>> http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/
>
> Ooops, sorry, I thought the URL was more direct. Look at picture #17.
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From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 23:48:13 -0700
Yes, we need rotomolded mobile homes, then all you'd need to worry about
would be oilcanning.

> -----Original Message-----

>    Maybe Perception should start building houses.
> BRC
>
> Quoting Duane Strosaker <strosaker_at_yahoo.com>:
>
> > John,
> >
> >   I'd say it's an old Perception Carolina:
> >
> >   http://www.kayaker.com/new/products/boat.asp?type=discontinued&ID=7
> >
> >   Plastic, plastic, plastic sure proved itself in all that terrible
> > devastation. Unbelievable!
> >
> >   Duane
> >   Southern California
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From: Harvey Golden <harveydgolden_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 08:33:15 -0700 (PDT)
--- Duane Strosaker <strosaker_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>   Plastic, plastic, plastic sure proved itself in
> all that terrible devastation. Unbelievable!

Let's wait another week for the SOFs to return from
the atmosphere before we pick a winner. . . . 
--Harvey  ;-) 
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From: Bradford_Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 08:04:58 -0700
Kansas used to be under the ocean, so that kayak must be
millions of years old.

Bradford R. Crain
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From: Paul Montgomery <paul_at_paddleandoar.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 06:18:04 -0700
A sea kayak in Kansas? Maybe the tornado DEPOSITED it there!


Paul Montgomery
paul_at_paddleandoar.com
http://paddleandoar.com

On May 6, 2007, at 7:58 PM, John Huntington wrote:

> On 5/6/2007 10:46 PM, John Huntington wrote:
>> http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/
>
> Ooops, sorry, I thought the URL was more direct.   Look at picture  
> #17.
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From: Tord Eriksson <tord_at_tord.nu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:26:59 +0200
On Monday 07 May 2007 04:47, John wrote:
> John Huntington <jhuntington_at_fastmail.net>
> Subject: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
>
> http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/

Go to slide 17: See proof that kayaks survive it all!

Hopefully the owner did, too!

Tord

PS The weathermen say this is also part
and parcel of global warming: Storms and droughts!
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 17:46:31 -0700
Nah, the kayak in the photo was GRP or plastic, so it couldn't be millions 
of years old...but, here are two possibly Inuit SOF kayaks that survived a 
heck of a wreck:

http://www.bobfoote.com/picturegallery/rvwreck/Wrecked-Trailer.jpg



> Kansas used to be under the ocean, so that kayak must be
> millions of years old.
>
> Bradford R. Crain

Doug Lloyd
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From: James Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:57:42 -0400
So the guy missed his roll. In an RV. What? What!

Jim et al

On May 9, 2007, at 8:46 PM, Doug Lloyd wrote:

> Nah, the kayak in the photo was GRP or plastic, so it couldn't be  
> millions of years old...but, here are two possibly Inuit SOF kayaks  
> that survived a heck of a wreck:
>
> http://www.bobfoote.com/picturegallery/rvwreck/Wrecked-Trailer.jpg
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 21:02:28 -0700
   So the guy missed his roll, in an RV. But if he were
driving through Kansas, there could be extenuating circumstances.

BRC

Quoting James Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net>:

> So the guy missed his roll. In an RV. What? What!
>
> Jim et al
>
> On May 9, 2007, at 8:46 PM, Doug Lloyd wrote:
>
>> Nah, the kayak in the photo was GRP or plastic, so it couldn't be
>> millions of years old...but, here are two possibly Inuit SOF kayaks
>> that survived a heck of a wreck:
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From: Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:36:36 -0400
Doug Lloyd wrote:
> Nah, the kayak in the photo was GRP or plastic, so it couldn't be 
> millions of years old...but, here are two possibly Inuit SOF kayaks that 
> survived a heck of a wreck:
> 
> http://www.bobfoote.com/picturegallery/rvwreck/Wrecked-Trailer.jpg

Bob did a good job building those, didn't he.

Here are a couple that haven't survived. Lucky Dog Springs, Idaho.
http://www.savvypaddler.com/Images/06270039.JPG

-- 
Steve Cramer
Athens, GA
http://www.savvypaddler.com
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From: Harvey Golden <harveydgolden_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:57:59 -0700 (PDT)
Here's a couple that faired better than the truck. 
Very fine roll, by the way-- a four-point landing. 
(Courtesy of Brian and Anton).
http://www.capefalconkayak.com/tempphotos.html
Best, 
Harvey 
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From: Greg Dunlap <blackey_at_sonic.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 17:52:53 -0700
I say post those on Craig's list and see what you get.

Greg Dunlap
Santa Rosa, CA
380 28' 672" N
1220 45' 283" W
157 feet above sea level

blackey_at_sonic.net



Bob did a good job building those, didn't he.

Here are a couple that haven't survived. Lucky Dog Springs, Idaho.
http://www.savvypaddler.com/Images/06270039.JPG

--
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Athens, GA
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From: John Kirk-Anderson <jka_at_netaccess.co.nz>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:06:28 +1200
While looking at kayaks from above, check out:

50 42' 45.41 N
2 01' 13.20 W

on Google Earth.

It is the SBS (part of UK Special Forces) compound and amongst all the
military vessels are what appear to be two brightly coloured kayaks.

Good to see that there is time to play amongst all the serious stuff! (Or,
is it the other way around?)

Cheers

JKA


-- 
John Kirk-Anderson
Banks Peninsula
NEW ZEALAND
on 11/5/07 12:52, Greg Dunlap at blackey_at_sonic.net wrote:
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak in Kansas Tornado Wreckage
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:55:53 -0700
The UK Special Forces have a long and illustrious history of using kayaks
for their missions. One of the most famous is during WWII when Blondie
Hasler (who later invented the self-steering windvane for sailboats and was
a primary mover in the single-handed races between the USA and England) led
a team of commandos on a raid into France. The story was made into a feature
film called "The Cockleshell Heroes". The boats were clearly kayaks although
almost all references to them are of "cockleshells" or even "canoes" but
they were 2-lace boats in which the paddlers used two-blade paddles. They
looked remarkably like the Folboat I paddled in the early 1970s around
Bowron Lakes.

A cable-tv episode about Great Raids featured a 30-minute segment on this
just a few weeks ago.

All members of this particular raid died except for Hasler and his
boat-partner. Several of the commandos were executed (illegally) on orders
from Hitler when they were captured. (They should have been held as
prisoners of war since they were in uniform.)

If anyone has access to a DVD of this movie or knows where to buy one please
get back to me.


Craig Jungers
Royal City, WA

On 5/11/07, John Kirk-Anderson <jka_at_netaccess.co.nz> wrote:
>
> While looking at kayaks from above, check out:
>
> 50 42' 45.41 N
> 2 01' 13.20 W
>
> on Google Earth.
>
> It is the SBS (part of UK Special Forces) compound and amongst all the
> military vessels are what appear to be two brightly coloured kayaks.
>
> Good to see that there is time to play amongst all the serious stuff! (Or,
> is it the other way around?)
>
> Cheers
>
> JKA
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From: Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fire Ban already? Gadzooks!
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 20:40:39 -0400
Derek wrote:
> I just came back from a kayak event in Parry Sound
> (about a 2 1/2 hour drive north of Toronto).  I was
> surprised to see that the risk of forest fire was
> listed as "high."  This seems a little bit nutty
> because this is essentially the wet season.  Things
> typically get MORE dry as we get into July and August!
>  
> Does anyone else have any unusual "dryness" reports?

The Okeefenokee Swamp area is on fire. Is that what you mean?

Steve
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fire Ban already? Gadzooks!
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 08:48:49 -0700
On 5/6/07, Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net> wrote:
>
>
> > Does anyone else have any unusual "dryness" reports?
>
> The Okeefenokee Swamp area is on fire. Is that what you mean?



It's pretty dry when a swamp catches on fire, all right. I can think of only
one thing that was worse. The Cuyahoga River that runs through Cleveland, OH
caught fire. Twice.

It's one thing for a swamp to catch fire but when a river catches fire, I
call that "dry".

Craig Jungers
Royal City, WA

"One nice thing about living in a desert.... the risk of forest fire is
greatly reduced."
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From: Allan McLane <amcl_at_sover.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fire Ban already? Gadzooks!
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 11:20:40 -0400
On Sun, 6 May 2007 17:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Derek wrote:

> I was surprised to see that the risk of forest fire was listed as "high."  This seems a little bit nutty because this is essentially the wet season.  Things typically get MORE dry as we get into July and August!

Speaking as a local forest fire warden here in Vermont I can tell you that  spring is the time of the year when the relative humidity is at its lowest. This is due to the preponderance of polar continental (non-maritime) air with generally thinner cloud cover and little greenery to add humidity at the ground level.

It's generally the light fuels, grass and twigs that are the issue in the springtime. If there is a lack of rainfall later in the year then the heavier fuels and soils will come into play. I've had the exerience of standing in ankle-deep water while extinguishing an advancing grass fire (maybe I should have been in a 'yak)!

See http://www.wfas.net/ for more information.

--allan
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From: <cholst_at_bitstream.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fire Ban already? Gadzooks!
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:31:40 -0500 (CDT)
We had a drought in the Twin Cities this past winter, and there is
currently a forest fire burning in the Boundary Waters Canoe Area
Wilderness in the blowdown area. The last seven miles of the Gunflint
Trail have been evacuated, and at least four cabins have already burned.

Chuck Holst
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