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From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Toe Ropes
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 19:17:46 -0700
I know I may be silly to think we might come up with some type of consensus,
but perhaps we can agree within about 10 feet or so:

I want to make my own tow rig. I already have all the components sans rope.
What is the opinion as to the LEAST amount of rope needed, keeping in mind I
paddle mostly solo and if you're not a purty gurl, I'm not that inclined to
come save you anyway!

I assume I want Spectra?, but what diameter?

I like A. Lincoln's attitude. When asked what he felt was the ideal lenght
for a person's legs, he said "long enough to reach the ground".

Mark

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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Toe Ropes
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 20:03:19 -0700
How about 12 feet. That gives the kayak being towed a bit of wiggle room 
behind your kayak. 30 - 35 feet and 50 feet seem the most common legths.

BTW, I was e-mailing one of my Storm Island rescue buddies this weekend - 
Andrew Madding. I had towed him for 6 hours plus in a gale during that 
incident. The 50 foot length was too long for the steep, breaking seas. 
Anyway, Andrew just finished logging 25,000 cumulative miles in his Pisces 
kayak. That's a good accomplishment. He just bought a sailboat.Guess you'd 
get tired of paddling after 25,000 miles.

Doug Lloyd


>I know I may be silly to think we might come up with some type of 
>consensus,
> but perhaps we can agree within about 10 feet or so:
>
> I want to make my own tow rig. I already have all the components sans 
> rope.
> What is the opinion as to the LEAST amount of rope needed, keeping in mind 
> I
> paddle mostly solo and if you're not a purty gurl, I'm not that inclined 
> to
> come save you anyway!
>
> I assume I want Spectra?, but what diameter?
>
> I like A. Lincoln's attitude. When asked what he felt was the ideal lenght
> for a person's legs, he said "long enough to reach the ground".
>
> Mark
>
> www.sandmarks.net
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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_magma.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Toe Ropes
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 23:36:21 -0400
Mark Sanders wrote:

> What is the opinion as to the LEAST amount of rope needed

Contact tow - a few feet.  However, I think that figuring out how to 
shorten a long line quickly is better than having one too short.  I use 
50ft and don't consider anything else, since that the legal requirement 
where I live.

> I assume I want Spectra?, but what diameter?

Not necessarily.  Spectra is strong, but it doesn't hold knots well and 
will be a small diameter for the strength.  Small diameter means painful 
on the hands if you have to pull on it.

To enhance floating, get a Spectra core with polypropylene sheath.  The 
polypro sheath will make knot holding a bit better.  There are some good 
rescue grade ropes like this in commercially available tow kits.  If you 
make your own, you might have to look around for this kind of rope.

I prefer 3/8 line for this, but that's bulky in some paddlers' minds. 
It's about the smallest that is comfortable on the hands in a hard pull. 
  Many people prefer 1/4" - anything smaller will be too much pain, 
though you can get adequate strength in Spectra and similar high end 
line in small sizes.


Mike
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From: Bob Volin <bobvolin_at_optonline.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Toe Ropes
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 22:48:58 -0400
This page will respond to the length question,
    
http://www.atlantickayaktours.com/pages/expertcenter/towing-skills/Towing-Skills-3.shtml

Then you might want to go back to the full discussion
    
http://www.atlantickayaktours.com/pages/expertcenter/towing-skills/Towing-Skills-1.shtml

Cheers,
    Bob

Mark Sanders wrote:
> I know I may be silly to think we might come up with some type of consensus,
> but perhaps we can agree within about 10 feet or so:
>
> I want to make my own tow rig. I already have all the components sans rope.
> What is the opinion as to the LEAST amount of rope needed, keeping in mind I
> paddle mostly solo and if you're not a purty gurl, I'm not that inclined to
> come save you anyway!
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From: Michael Stoccardo <mstoccardo_at_hotmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Toe Ropes
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 17:37:33 +0000
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Does anyone have good/bad experiences/recomendations regarding coaming 
mounted systems?
For ex. the North Water Sea Kayak Coaming Tow Line? Seems like they would be 
portable if you have several kayaks (vs. deck mounted) and take the stress 
off your back....
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