>Tord wrote: > >For guys like these Chillcheater's Aquatherm stuff sounds perfect - >thin and much more flexible than neoprene, and yet warm enough! Response: There can be many solutions to the potential problem - only if you see that there may be a problem. I fear that the above solution may be akin to suggesting to a free-climber that there is a better rope that can be used ;-) I had provided a back channel comment to Dave Kruger that I am now pasting below. After watching the video - I think for me the issue revolves more around the mind sets of racers versus ocean kayaking ... what I found most telling about the video was the comment that basically, "if you end up in the water, you've got a problem" (12:47); and"if you went in the water off there, you were more or less dead" (14:23). However, when you look at what preparation did they have for going into the water - which had to be at least a possibility given the weather they were in - they had no wet/dry suits; no communication or signalling devices, or flares; no plan of action as to what they would do if there was a capsize, no paddle tethers, etc., etc. - The mentality seems to be that because they are athletes, and strong, and maybe fast/efficient paddlers, they can accomplish anything - are "unbeatable" (Howells video). But no pre-trip respect for the risks. I have difficulty imagining anyone who has done any tripping (and beyond a sea kayaking novice), getting this far into a situation with this difficult weather without at least some of the foregoing considerations. I would expect a Doug Lloyd to be out in this weather - but he would have had a Plan A, Plan B, Plan C, down to at least G, according to one of his posts from several years ago - and he would have been able to articulate these plans, prior to heading out from shore. Even then, he has described some near misses, when many things each went wrong. This situation appears to be combined with the whole issue of group think and the tendency to lean towards increased risk because no one is comfortable being the one to say "No".- an issue that I think needs to be publicized and discussed more amongst groups. I wonder if every group, instead of a "designated driver" - needs to have a miner's canary - perhaps the weakest paddler, and whose role is to say whether they are comfortable and feel safe, or not. Or discuss what mitigation strategies - including not going - could be of help. Sam Isaacs *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************Received on Sun Oct 14 2007 - 06:23:11 PDT
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