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From: James Farrelly <JFarrelly5_at_comcast.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] 'Elite racers' die in kayak accident - The WoodenBoat Forum
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:21:53 -0400
A discussion on a recent tragedy.

http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php? 
p=1669997#post1669997



Jim et al
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] 'Elite racers' die in kayak accident - The WoodenBoat Forum
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:57:39 -0700
James Farrelly wrote:
> A discussion on a recent tragedy.
> 
> http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?p=1669997#post1669997

Been a lot of buzz on this out here, a good bit of on West Coast Paddler. 
Look here:  http://www.westcoastpaddler.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=1443

In particular, if you have a high-speed connection, select the 17-minute 
debriefing of one of the paddlers (this link is down a ways -- go to the 
second page).  It is riveting.

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] 'Elite racers' die in kayak accident - The WoodenBoat Forum
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:50:44 -0700
Tony Olsen wrote:
> Yeah, I've been following that one.  Sounds like the 'elite' can make 
> mistakes too.  Probably worse ones than we would.  I'm guessing we 
> respect our limitations a little more than they do theirs.

Tony, that last sentence is what I would have thought before checking out 
the debriefing video referred to in my posting.  I came away with respect 
for those folks and humility about my own talents.  They do play it a 
little closer to the edge than most of us do, but they also understand the 
risks pretty well.

They got nailed, partly by the conditions, and partly by the mindset of 
their way of tackling paddling.  The interview is worth watching.

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: John H <seajohnkayak_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] 'Elite racers' die in kayak accident - The WoodenBoat Forum
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:22:29 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks for pointing out the video link...some how i missed it. Would you be so kind as to re-post it. Thank you.
  john

Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com> wrote:
  Tony Olsen wrote:
> Yeah, I've been following that one. Sounds like the 'elite' can make 
> mistakes too. Probably worse ones than we would. I'm guessing we 
> respect our limitations a little more than they do theirs.

Tony, that last sentence is what I would have thought before checking out 
the debriefing video referred to in my posting. I came away with respect 
for those folks and humility about my own talents. They do play it a 
little closer to the edge than most of us do, but they also understand the 
risks pretty well.

They got nailed, partly by the conditions, and partly by the mindset of 
their way of tackling paddling. The interview is worth watching.

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR


       
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] 'Elite racers' die in kayak accident - The WoodenBoat Forum
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:45:28 -0700
John H wrote:
> Thanks for pointing out the video link...some how i missed it. Would you 
> be so kind as to re-post it. Thank you.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/10/09/bc-adventureracers.html

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Astoria, OR
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From: John H <seajohnkayak_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] 'Elite racers' die in kayak accident - The WoodenBoat Forum
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:06:55 -0700 (PDT)
Dave K.
  Thank you for the link. Much appreciated.
  john

Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com> wrote:
  John H wrote:
> Thanks for pointing out the video link...some how i missed it. Would you 
> be so kind as to re-post it. Thank you.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/10/09/bc-adventureracers.html

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Astoria, OR


       
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From: Robert Livingston <bearboat2_at_comcast.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Elite racers' die in kayak accident
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:13:09 -0700
It sounds like in retrospect that they should have put the  
hypothermic guy in the middle hatch and then have the two double stay  
rafted together for stability with two people (one in each double)  
hanging on to the other boat and two people paddling perhaps canoe  
like to bring the raft to shore.

The decision making was complicated by the people thinking at the  
time that the highest priority was to get help for the woman who they  
did not know had managed to get back to shore. So they wanted to get  
someone to shore fast to get help.

They acknowledged that rafting made a stable platform but they were  
desperate to help woman who they knew to be in the water.

Whole scenario a nightmare.
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] 'Elite racers' die in kayak accident - The WoodenBoat Forum
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:54:57 -0700
Too bad the link is in a proprietary format (Windows).

Craig Jungers
Royal City, WA

On 10/10/07, John H <seajohnkayak_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Dave K.
>   Thank you for the link. Much appreciated.
>   john
>
> Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com> wrote:
>   John H wrote:
> > Thanks for pointing out the video link...some how i missed it. Would you
> > be so kind as to re-post it. Thank you.
>
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/10/09/bc-adventureracers.html
>
> --
> Dave Kruger
> Astoria, OR
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