I see Tim Ingram has posted his formerly self-published (but virtually unknown) book online now with a 2006 copyright and updates. Among other things he has published copyrighted Paddlewise posts online in the chapter below. Also in this chapter I discover I have another first I can add to my Vitae. I'm apparently about the most prolific mass murderer on the planet (outside the realm of politicians and world leaders anyway). Last I heard, a few years ago, was that Tim was being treated for his mental illness and we weren't supposed to make fun of him anymore. The doctors and psychiatrists were probably discovered to be in the pay of the worldwide Kayak and Canoe murder for profit conspiracy that I'm a hit man for. http://www.canoekayaksafety.com/chapterfour.html I should probably sue him for libel. Who knows, maybe he has inherited a fortune or something like that. I'm sure our conspiracy against him has prevented him from getting his just riches from his fool-proof sponsons so I probably can't collect much there. Matt Broze www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
("There were stories about Matt Broze "self proclaimed inventor of the paddle float" going home in a huff, after the "sponson endorsement". " Ingram, 2006) You know, that little report above bothered me a lot more than being labeled a mass murderer. The reality was I was never even there until a few days later. Because we had no employees, Cam and I couldn't justify closing our store for two days more (than the two we were already going to be closed to display at the symposium) just attend the trade associating meeting. Tim knows better too. During that time I was trying to help him improve his product and to quit threatening those he was trying to sell his product to as by doing so he was insuring that most would never buy from him no matter how good his product became. You know, talking to him in person or on the phone he never seamed that crazy (at least back in the early 1990's when I was trying to help him in his efforts to improve the safety of sea kayaking). The devil inside may be something that only comes out when he sits all alone with a keyboard in front of him. This may be more common than I realize. I've noticed a public service ad on TV lately asking folks to not type something that you wouldn't say to someone in person. Matt Broze www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Oct 2, 2007, at 11:15 AM, Matt Broze wrote: > The devil inside may be something that only comes out when he > sits all alone with a keyboard in front of him. This may be more > common than > I realize. Before the internet was what we know as the internet today scientists were using it to share info. Someone noticed how impolite the communications could be and did a study. They concluded that with as little as a year of on line communications people become more rude. I certainly see this in some of the forums I visit. Interestingly Paddlewise, the Kayak forum and the Qajaq forum seem to keep people in check. I wonder if it in part is the use of real names vs a nom de plume and the forum rules actually being enforced. Wondering if my signature strikes irony into this post, Jim et al *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
James Farrelly wrote: > On Oct 2, 2007, at 11:15 AM, Matt Broze wrote: > >> The devil inside may be something that only comes out when he >> sits all alone with a keyboard in front of him. This may be more >> common than >> I realize. > > Before the internet was what we know as the internet today scientists > were using it to share info. Someone noticed how impolite the > communications could be and did a study. They concluded that with as > little as a year of on line communications people become more rude. I > certainly see this in some of the forums I visit. Interestingly > Paddlewise, the Kayak forum and the Qajaq forum seem to keep people > in check. I wonder if it in part is the use of real names vs a nom de > plume and the forum rules actually being enforced. That could be. However, I have noticed, in this listserv, and a couple of other online forums (West Coast Paddlers; FoldingKayaks.com, Folbot Forum) that most of the graybeards seem _less_ inclined to engage in flame wars than folks who shoter histories. I know early on here, I would pop off if I felt insulted. It seems (to me, anyway), that I am much more relaxed about abuse than in the past and rarely react in kind or raise the ante to another level. A county mountie told me once how he "adjusts" his attitude when he makes traffic stop: he starts in at about 5 on the scale; if the person comes back with a mild response (a 4 or a 3, for example), he ramps down to their level, or lower; if the potential offender goes to a 7 or a 9 in their first response, he meets that level or exceeds it. That seemed like a good approach to me, and I have tried to extend it to Paddlewise, etc. I think "rising to the bait" reflects a degree of personal insecurity more than anything else. And, this little lesson on relating has certainly been worth what you paid for it! Ommmmmmmmmmm! -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 11:52:50AM -0400, James Farrelly wrote: > Before the internet was what we know as the internet today scientists > were using it to share info. Someone noticed how impolite the > communications could be and did a study. They concluded that with as > little as a year of on line communications people become more rude. <chuckle> Yes, I know, I was there back in .ARPA days. The study you may be referring to is: R-3283-NSF/RC TOWARD AN ETHICS AND ETIQUETTE FOR ELECTRONIC MAIL Norman Z. Shapiro, Robert H. Anderson July 1985 Prepared for the National Science Foundation Published by The Rand Corporation 1700 Main Street P.O. Box 2138 Santa Monica, CA 90406-2138 I've got a text version here, but it appears to be on the web at: http://www.rand.org/pubs/reports/R3283/index.html I'm still occasionally rude (I do *not* suffer fools gladly, and that includes msyelf when I have my own lapses) but some of my perhaps more-toasty responses over the past few decades have been pre-empted by this -- which I've kept taped to my monitor(s) for a long long time: Never say anything in an electronic message that you wouldn't want appearing, and attributed to you, in tomorrow morning's front-page headline in the New York Times. --- Colonel David Russell, former head of DARPA's Information Processing Techniques Office ---Rsk p.s. We were also using the 'net for advanced purposes like games, nekkid pictures and jokes. It's just that those were rarely mentioned in NFS grant applications. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Matt Broze said: The devil inside may be something that only comes out when he sits all alone with a keyboard in front of him. This may be more common than I realize. Matt, I have worked in the federal criminal justice system for 32 years. I have had a numbner of clients over the years who were exactly as you describe - they were nebbishes who became Rambos when alone with a typewriter (in the old days), a pen, or a computer in front of them. Most of these clients were charged with threatening the president, some with threatening various federal judges. Judges were often threatened, when this happened at all, over having dismissed the person's lawsuit that was filed and handled by the person themselves without a lawyer. Only one of these folks ever actually had a prior record and was not mentally ill. And he owned no weapons and was never seen anywhere near the judge. One of our judges here had her husband and mother murdered by a guy whose case she had, reluctantly, dismissed. But he never wrote anything other than a suicide note. So, in my opinion, you are exactly right. I think we all become legends in our own mind (maybe I should only speak for myself) but some people's brakes don't work as well as their gas pedals. Jim Tibensky *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
-----Original Message----- >From: Bob Myers >"Huffs" are available everywhere, and in fact seem to be in very >common supply on the Internet. > >Most people make their own, though - I don't think they're for sale >much. I'm sure you'd have no trouble making one. > I once saw someone drive off in a blue Funk... Joe P. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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