Last Saturday turned out to be a "loverly" day for trying out kayaks at Trial Island. Of course, rougher conditions (wind n' swell) would have perhaps yielded greater rewards from the perspective of testing the merits of each design. The Friday the day before was apparently kicking up something a little more worthy for those not vocationally occupied that day that made it down to the beach. I assume the Vancouver-based retailer that brought over the kayaks wasn't necessarily - nefariously - attempting to drum up sales or create turf wars. More accurately, there was a deficit of advanced paddlers available on the mainland handy in one place in order to determine the suitability of carrying the new Tiderace line in earnest by the retailer, subject to gauging the response of seasoned paddlers; whereas in Victoria, our proximity to moving saltwater creates a surfeit of savvy paddlers. Now if only our retailers would carry a more worthwhile variety of serious day boats. The Tiderace Xcite lived up to the hype fully. This distinguishable Romanyesq-handling playboat carved turns with ease, imparted reassuring stability while moving up to cruising speed remarkably fast. The kayak was born to surf, and born to catch and ride waves in the tideraces it is so aptly named for. Perhaps the forward buoyancy affords the same type of performance floatation that a Mariner Coaster is famous for. Further testing in rock gardens and surf zones would be needed to confirm this. The lines of the kayak suggest serious business will be undertaken by anyone jumping into it. The oddly high foredeck sheds water easily, while allowing a very ergonomically pleasing knee placement that I hadn't enjoyed in similar classes of playboats I've sat in. The coming thigh braces were extremely relaxing and at the same time, provided unyielding purchase out in the lumpy stuff - something to seriously consider in a kayak you contemplate staying ensconced plying rougher waters. This is the first time I've felt secure in a keyhole cockpit , formerly only enjoying the security perception in an Oceancockpit equipped kayak. The seat was adjustable fore and aft, though not quickly movable like the Mariner line. The backband didn't give the comfort and performance suggested by the rest of the outfitting, but I didn't take the time to play with the adjustments. The adjustable full-width footpad- footrest ergonomically dovetailed perfectly with the seating arrangement and knee placement. Unfortunately, custom bulkheads cannot be ordered at this time, possibly necessitating some wasted space for shorted-legged sea yakers. This is the first sea kayak I've never sat in before that I was able to get in and not have any qualms about some quirk of instability or misgiving about handling or secure fit prior to cutom outfitting On edge, the Xcite felt like the water below had instantly frozen solid, locking the kayak comfortably on edge. This kayak will take care of you. Broaching was negligible, edge to edge movement easily invoked but secondary stability solid. Rolled easily, though still a bit high-volume-like around the back of the cockpit. There was nothing to really not recommend the handling of this boat. No glaring faults. The slightly longer Xplore felt a little more surefooted for the open water enthusiasts when comparing the two sister kayaks, just as the NDK Explorer would be compared to the Romany, I'm sure. The Xcite turned on edge on the spot rather adroitly, considering the end-of-keel skeg extension astern. At speed, the stern skeg extesion digs in, holding the kayak in line. The Keritek drop-skeg augmented the directional stability further, without the daftly laid-out, overly large skeg box other kayaks are infamous for. Fit, finish, and construction are nothing short of world class and so very far beyond anything found in cottage-industry produced boats like the NDK's. Things like the 30cm strip of carbon fiber running the keel inside the hull, the dual composite (?) outer hull-to-deck join, the superior gelcoating and distinct colour motifs, and the Rockpool Alaw/Alaw Bach inspired refined lines, including the foredeck hatch and other KajakSport hatches make the pricetag of sub $4,000.00 very worthwhile, though still not as good a deal as the Canadian Impex line of kayaks. The foredeck height might be an issue for short-torsoed paddlers, though where the flat foredeck peak plateau ends, there is little impediment for the high-angle stroke paddler. The narrow bezel of the cockpit rim does seem to force a careful manipulation of the sprayskirt to make the full perimeter seal. I should mention that adjusting the seat may have advantages for obtaining optimal trim or increasing cockpit-accessible item volume behind the seat/backband. Little details may or may not be important to the individual paddler, but certainly the overall perception these Tidrace kayaks invoke suggests they are every bit as good as the hype/advertising suggests. This may be coming from a paddler who doesn't profess any prowess with boat reviews, submits this review with full disclosure of the former, but nevertheless, one who knows a good thing when he sits in one after 28 years of paddling.and paddles away in it to the tiderace... Doug Lloyd Victoria BC *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug Lloyd wrote: > [sniperoo] ... a surfeit of savvy paddlers ... Now I know what to call a horde of sea kayakers: "We were mobbed by a surfeit of paddlers, ugly as sin and covered in seaslime, not a Johnny Depp amongst the excess of Keith Richards clones ..." -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Doug Lloyd wrote: > >> [sniperoo] ... a surfeit of savvy paddlers ... > > Now I know what to call a horde of sea kayakers: "We were mobbed by a > surfeit of paddlers, ugly as sin and covered in seaslime, not a Johnny > Depp amongst the excess of Keith Richards clones ..." > > -- > Dave Kruger > Astoria, OR So Herr Kruger, I suppose there are better synonyms than "surfeit" in describing the proliferation of local elite paddling rabble, but indeed, when one considers the number of paddlers that showed up the Friday and Saturday to merely "kick tires" rather than actually try out "kick-ass" kayaks on the water in the overfalls, one wonders if that particular satiation left the demonstrator feeling crapulous himself. Anyway, glad to add to your west coast paddling lexicon. Anytime I can be of service... BTW, there weren't too many ugly paddlers in evidence Saturday, though there were a few who couldn't even fit into any of the kayaks present and I heard one did capsize and bail. There was, however, a high level of skill from all evidence: perfect paddlemanship on display at every splash, incredible stroke rates, unyielding cadence, kayak movement like fine ballet, beautiful balance braces like that from MJ from PW - and others, and subtle shifts from carbon Greenland sticks. The only thing ugly there was my beat-up, stripped down Nordcrapp that was being size/shape-compared to the LV, and my ugly, uninspired paddling strokes - not pretty, but still effective. Well, my daughter just handed me a 50th Birthday card with a canine on its back, says: You're at that age...Where "roll over and play dead" is less of a trick and more of a major concern! I'm glad I hit fifty and that I never rolled over in my kayak and became dead. Tried a few times. So Dave, am I an official grey beard now, or does that start at 60 what with 50 being the new 40 and all that? Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hey, I resemble that remark! Actually, at 250lbs, I'm surprised at some of the boats I can get myself into. Now, watching me extricate myself from them isn't a pretty site, but that's why they invented the wet exit. I enjoyed reading your reviews of the Tiderace kayaks; they even have a big boy version I can dream of owning. I also checked out the Impex line, as you accredited to them a factor I find important--affordability. Their Susquehanna looks like a playful boat. It suggests a max paddler weight of 210, but I wonder if I never plan to load it with gear if it could hold my extra weight. I'm tired of riding so high on the water; I want a low volume submarine kayak. Mark Sanders -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Doug Lloyd Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak Trials at Trial Island - Part One ...though there were a few who couldn't even fit into any of the kayaks present... *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
OK, who can correctly pronounce Susquehanna on the first try? I grew up in PA and so bow out as a ringer. How about Schuylkill? Second is a great sculling river. No, the other kind of sculling. On Feb 28, 2008, at 10:52 PM, Mark Sanders wrote: > Their Susquehanna looks like a playful boat. Jim et al *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: <snippity> So Dave, am I an > official grey beard now, or does that start at 60 what with 50 being the > new > 40 and all that? > > > 50??? 50!!!! Dang! I wish *I* were 50 again. Ahhhhh the things I could do. :) Craig Jungers Exactly one month to 65 in... Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Doug Lloyd wrote: > So Dave, am I an official grey beard now, or does that start at 60 what > with 50 being the new 40 and all that? Doug, you were born a greybeard. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Other than that, Mr. Lloyd, how did you like the boat? Brad (Not in Moses Lake) Quoting Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>: > Last Saturday turned out to be a "loverly" day for trying out kayaks at > Trial Island. Of course, rougher conditions (wind n' swell) would have > perhaps yielded greater rewards from the perspective of testing the > merits of each design. The Friday the day before was apparently kicking > up something a little more worthy for those not vocationally occupied > that day that made it down to the beach. > Okay Mr. Bratford Cranium, I still prefered me being in the new Nordkapp LV as shown here: http://flickr.com/photos/chaffneue/2287372743/ http://flickr.com/photos/chaffneue/2287348397/ I like the lower profile of my older Nordy even better: http://flickr.com/photos/chaffneue/2287359453/ And, who said kayakers eschew technology 'cause that's why they paddle? Evidence otherwise: http://flickr.com/photos/chaffneue/2288154412/ DL *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I think Doug's fascination with boats and water can be explained with one simple sentence. He is part man and part sealion. Brad (slaving over a hot desk in Puddletown) Quoting Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>: > Other than that, Mr. Lloyd, how did you like the boat? > > Brad (Not in Moses Lake) > > Quoting Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>: > >> Last Saturday turned out to be a "loverly" day for trying out kayaks at >> Trial Island. Of course, rougher conditions (wind n' swell) would have >> perhaps yielded greater rewards from the perspective of testing the >> merits of each design. The Friday the day before was apparently kicking >> up something a little more worthy for those not vocationally occupied >> that day that made it down to the beach. >> > Okay Mr. Bratford Cranium, I still prefered me being in the new > Nordkapp LV as shown here: > > http://flickr.com/photos/chaffneue/2287372743/ > > http://flickr.com/photos/chaffneue/2287348397/ > > I like the lower profile of my older Nordy even better: > > http://flickr.com/photos/chaffneue/2287359453/ > > And, who said kayakers eschew technology 'cause that's why they paddle? > Evidence otherwise: > > http://flickr.com/photos/chaffneue/2288154412/ > > DL -- Bradford R. Crain Department of Mathematics & Statistics Portland State University 724 SW Harrison St./334 Neuberger Hall Portland, Or. 97201 Phone: 503-725-3127 Fax: 503-725-3661 E-mail: crainb_at_pdx.edu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Other than that, Mr. Lloyd, how did you like the boat? Brad (Not in Moses Lake) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Don't know about me being part sealion, but my daughter walked in while I was watching a kayak DVD (Pacific Horizons) last night, whereupon seeing Dubside asked innocently if he was a hobo! Guess the walking along the train tracks image didn't help. > I think Doug's fascination with boats and water can be explained with one simple sentence. He is part man and part sealion. Brad (slaving over a hot desk in Puddletown)< DL *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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