I posted this on the Seattle Craig's list last week: Mariner Max sea kayak, 17'-4" long, 23-1/2" beam, foam seat, backband, 4" bow hatch, under-deck chart pocket, no bulkheads, no rudder. NRS float bags included. For the medium-sized to large male paddler: the best-handling, large-volume gear hauler in sea kayaking. Very good condition. Call Gary at 425-828-6594 or e-mail, in Kirkland, WA. The Max fiberglass and gelcoat are in very good shape: almost no rockbashing, very little surfing, in fact very little use at all in the last few years. Some of you who know me know I've been eking out a living selling kayak photos (ok, maybe eking is a little harsh), and although I love the Max, I've have other boats now that meet the gearload need, and the Max has been collecting dust. Gary Gary Luhm Photography Specializing in sea kayaking, kayak surfing, birding, mountain scenics, tidepools e-mail: gluhm_at_comcast.net website: http://home.comcast.net/~gluhm/home.html 425-828-6594 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"Gary Luhm" <gluhm_at_comcast.net> wrote >>>>>>>I posted this on the Seattle Craig's list last week: Mariner Max sea kayak, 17'-4" long, 23-1/2" beam, foam seat, backband, 4" bow hatch, under-deck chart pocket, no bulkheads, no rudder. NRS float bags included. For the medium-sized to large male paddler: the best-handling, large-volume gear hauler in sea kayaking. Very good condition.<<<<<<<< Actually, the Max's length should be 17'-0" unless Gary modified it somehow. There is another feature of this particular Max, that Gary may be too modest to mention. It has been pictured on the cover of Sea Kayaker magazine at least three times. (Aug. 1999, April 2000, and Dec. 2001. If you buy this kayak please contact me as the new owner. Matt Broze www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Can't someone sell a used Mariner in my neck of the woods? -----Original Message----- "Gary Luhm" <gluhm_at_comcast.net> wrote >>>>>>>I posted this on the Seattle Craig's list last week: Mariner Max sea kayak, 17'-4" long, 23-1/2" beam, foam seat, backband, 4" bow hatch, under-deck chart pocket, no bulkheads, no rudder. NRS float bags included. For the medium-sized to large male paddler: the best-handling, large-volume gear hauler in sea kayaking. Very good condition.<<<<<<<< Actually, the Max's length should be 17'-0" unless Gary modified it somehow. There is another feature of this particular Max, that Gary may be too modest to mention. It has been pictured on the cover of Sea Kayaker magazine at least three times. (Aug. 1999, April 2000, and Dec. 2001. If you buy this kayak please contact me as the new owner. Matt Broze www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Actually, the Max's length should be 17'-0" unless Gary modified it > somehow. > There is another feature of this particular Max, that Gary may be too > modest > to mention. It has been pictured on the cover of Sea Kayaker magazine at > least three times. (Aug. 1999, April 2000, and Dec. 2001. If you buy this > kayak please contact me as the new owner. > > Matt Broze > www.marinerkayaks.com So, Mariner kayaks _are_ photogenic after all. :-) I bet that kayak has some good memories behind it. Matt, I was blowing up a side shot of my Nordkapp HS on the photocopier at work on my break, then cut a scaled inch along the length of the kayak picture and glued the upper and lower half back together to get a representation of what a lowered Nordkapp would look like. I also (because the long bow nose gets too thin) took off 5 inches off the end of the bow (to scale). Everyone says the bow overhang is for looks only. If I even do this full scale to a real Nordkapp, can you think of any negative consequences for handling. Also, I notice you raised and lowered some of you Mariner designs for shorter torsoed paddlers and taller, respectively. What are some of the design/handling aspects that one should be aware of when contemplating these kind of changes. Doug Alderson has a factory lowered Slipstream for his shorter torso. Seems to behave well. He doesn't pack it with a lot of gear. Also, if I were to acquire a Mariner model, which would best suit a shorter paddler wanting trips for a week, surf and impact zone play, but good speed for touring. Stability isn't a concern (as in don't need something wide for confidence)? I like your web site; I wish you had a more up-to-date site with better pictures, owner pictures and stories, etc. I suppose if you scaled back operations and only just started making kayaks again, a hot website wasn't ever on the agenda. Last question if you have a few minutes: you test a lot of kayaks for turning times. You must have a consistent lean so comparisons are meaningful. How does this rocker factor relate to weathercocking/leecocking potential. How to you assess these aspects with such static tests for your statistics? IMaybe you don't. Is there a way you know ahead of time from a short observation which kayaks will perform in a non-neutral manner? Thanks Matt. Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug Lloyd [mailto:douglloyd_at_shaw.ca] asked: >>Matt, I was blowing up a side shot of my Nordkapp HS on the photocopier at work on my break, then cut a scaled inch along the length of the kayak picture and glued the upper and lower half back together to get a representation of what a lowered Nordkapp would look like. I also (because the long bow nose gets too thin) took off 5 inches off the end of the bow (to scale). Everyone says the bow overhang is for looks only. If I even do this full scale to a real Nordkapp, can you think of any negative consequences for handling.<<<<<<<<<<< "Everyone" must not include Nordkapp designer Frank Goodman. Years ago Frank told me that someone in England had copied his Nordkapp but made it look considerably different by cutting off the long ends. He believed that change resulted in substantially reduced performance. Some of this maybe was due to a designer wanting to see it that way, but I can see a couple of tings that might be changed here. One is that the higher bow and its wider handle like end (placed at the angle it is) serves to help lift the bow in surf and a following sea. The angle is important here because as I once witnessed the same paddler switching between a Nordkapp and an Arluk II in the same surf it became clear that it had to be the greater upward angle on the Nordkapp that kept its bow up much better even though the Arluk's much wider beaver-tail like bow was designed to hold the bow up better than a Nordkapp on surf landings (as I understand it--at Paul Caffyn's request) The shallower upward angle on the Arluk was such that the wide bow was at a downward angle when the stern was lifted by the breaker and its width actually forced it down as a result rather than helped it stay on the surface. You will also slightly change the windage balance such as to increase weatherhelm some. But the latter difference is likely to be slight. You could always add the same size snout back on to your lowered Nordkapp. That would be my recommendation. >>>>>Also, I notice you raised and lowered some of you Mariner designs for shorter torsoed paddlers and taller, respectively. What are some of the design/handling aspects that one should be aware of when contemplating these kind of changes. Doug Alderson has a factory lowered Slipstream for his shorter torso. Seems to behave well. He doesn't pack it with a lot of gear.<<<<<< Mostly cutting down a design evenly lessens overall windage but doesn't change the windage balance much. Cutting windage is and advantage to a smaller paddler (with often less ultimate--arm wrestling type--strength and lighter weight--even more windage exposed). The major change is to the fit. Will you have enough foot room? Thigh room? Hip room? It is not that hard to cut a kayak down, just cut it apart at the seams and trim away some of the hull and deck and seam it back together. The major problem is likely to be if there are strong curves in the area you are trimming such that the deck and hull won't fit together too well (as you discovered about the Nordkapp's bow). If you cut more from the hull than from the deck you increase the flair and that means secondary stability will come into play sooner on leaning. That is what we did with the Express EX to make the Express. In order to make the Elan more tippy than the Express (a plus for small low center of gravity paddlers) we started back with the Express EX (that had more V and less flair than the pried open (to fit the deck) Express. This made the Elan about 3/4 " narrower than the Express and EX since some of the angle was cut off both the hull and deck which were both trimmed about an inch. Since the Nordkapp has more vertical sides it won't change as much in width if you cut it down. >>>>>>>Also, if I were to acquire a Mariner model, which would best suit a shorter paddler wanting trips for a week, surf and impact zone play, but good speed for touring. Stability isn't a concern (as in don't need something wide for confidence)?<<<<<<< If you can fit your feet and thighs into it I suspect you would like the Elan with its low profile (but still a little more volume and storage than your Nordkapp). The inch deeper (2" at the back of the cockpit Express) would fit your bill but likely has so much more volume than you are used to that it might seem too deep for someone wanting to cut down a Nordkapp. >>>>I like your web site; I wish you had a more up-to-date site with better pictures, owner pictures and stories, etc. I suppose if you scaled back operations and only just started making kayaks again, a hot website wasn't ever on the agenda.<<<<<<< Yes the website needs repairing and updating but there is so much information in it already I'm not sure adding too it with stories etc. would be the best thing. Not much incentive to change it much but perhaps I'll have more time to do so since you are one step behind on our evolution. Our present builder has not been able to support his family with the level of business we were doing and his own kayak business didn't take off as we had hoped. The return to making kayaks was mostly to try to help him make the transition. We are again out of the kayak selling business. The last kayak we made (an Elan) is in my garage and is expected to be picked up next week. I have gotten all the molds back and now have an even more serious storage problem. We won't be selling mariner's any longer. Several companies are interested in making some of all of them so something could happen along that line (if it doesn't require too much work on my part) but nothing is fixed or likely to happen real soon in that respect. In the present economy kayaks and other higher priced items (like cars) are not flying off the showroom floor these days. >>>>>>Last question if you have a few minutes: you test a lot of kayaks for turning times. You must have a consistent lean so comparisons are meaningful. How does this rocker factor relate to weathercocking/leecocking potential. How to you assess these aspects with such static tests for your statistics? IMaybe you don't. Is there a way you know ahead of time from a short observation which kayaks will perform in a non-neutral manner? Thanks Matt.<<<<<<<<< To try to be consistent (and still stay relatively dry and also able to test a kayak I don't have a spraydeck to fit) what I do is to lean the kayak as far as the knee braces and fit will allow (without seriously risking a capsize or slipping out of the cockpit) but no further than when water is splashing seriously into the cockpit (or on the spraydeck). I could look at a kayak and make a guess as to if it weatherhelms or not and how strongly and be right say 90% of the time or better. There are a lot of factors involved and the times I would be wrong in my predictions would be because I didn't take one or more into full account (or haven't figured out some aspect that comes into play yet). That's when it gets fun. When I'm wrong I get to guess at what I'm missing and maybe add to my knowledge. Even though I am out of the kayak sales business again we are treading into the area that might be called "trade secrets" which I'm not sure I want to discuss publicly quite yet (even though I have helped a few designers--who might be considered competitors--I especially like understand how to improve a design for this aspect and they have done so. The best way to tell how much a kayak weathercocks is to paddle it across a sidewind. Chances are good there will be enough wind to test for this on any given test day since it doesn't take much wind to make the effect obvious. Try to keep the test kayak level and maybe close your eyes as you paddle so you don't unconsciously make the corrections that an experienced non-rudder paddler just naturally does. If you show me the lines of a design you have done I'd be happy to make some suggestions that I think might improve it (or suggest what to leave out of the prototype so that on testing it will be easy to modify it to find the best balance before finalizing the design). Matt Broze www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Matt Broze" marinerkayaks_at_msn.com (snip) >We are again out of the kayak selling business. The last kayak > we made (an Elan) is in my garage and is expected to be picked up next > week. > I have gotten all the molds back and now have an even more serious storage > problem. We won't be selling mariner's any longer. Several companies are > interested in making some of all of them so something could happen along > that line (if it doesn't require too much work on my part) but nothing is > fixed or likely to happen real soon in that respect. In the present > economy > kayaks and other higher priced items (like cars) are not flying off the > showroom floor these days. Cam, Matt...we love you. Maybe it's "not a country for old men" anymore but you two will always be younger than the sun. Thank you Matt for the years - your brilliance; your generosity of heart. For Matt: Into The Mystic - by Doug Lloyd An ocean cradles my slender craft Not as a mother her own But life cradling the journey. The Mystery, the Profoundness of All Transcendence found in undulations Rising, falling.floating through. Ere, my bonnie boat glides Fleeting spindrift. Wind-thrown away And the moments? Accounted for! So few really knew It rocked the gypsy soul Born before wind and waves. Hull. Water. Apart and one. Free of encumberances Magnificently. Visionary. A Legacy of friends. Into the Mystic all must go. The Mariner. There is no fear. Doug Lloyd Victoria BC (with appologies to Van Morrison) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sorry gang, I cut and pasted the wrong version after spell check; corrected below. Ya gotta know a bit about Mariners to catch it. For Matt: Into The Mystic - by Doug Lloyd An ocean cradles my slender craft Not as a mother her own But life cradling the journey. The Mystery, the Profoundness of All Transcendence found in undulations Rising, falling. Floating above. Ere, my bonnie boat glides Fleeting spindrift. Wind-thrown away And the moments? Accounted for! So few really knew It rocked the gypsy soul Born before wind and waves. Hull. Water. Apart and one. Free of encumberances Magnificently. Visionary. A Legacy of friends. Into the Mystic all must go. The Mariner. There is no fear. Doug Lloyd Victoria BC (with appologies to Van Morrison) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Never discount the Broze brothers. Maybe their next boat will be the Mariner Mystic; a playboat for Doug Lloyd. Cool work, Doug. :) Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > Sorry gang, I cut and pasted the wrong version after spell check; > corrected below. Ya gotta know a bit about Mariners to catch it. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Okay Craig, maybe it was a bit weird more than cool - 4 weeks straight now completely flat out at two jobs where I'm averaging 35% higher production than anyone else leaves me a bit spaced at nights for any 5 minute poetry. I'm worse when I kayak though in my Nordy - just relentlessness until I cramp up in the afternoon gales, though that only slows me down a bit. Well, Matt is a way cool guy. But where's that Melissa when we need her for some real cool prose? Anyway, maybe something will happen yet with Mariner. I'd like to try an Elan out in the southern V. Island area sometime if anyone knows where I can try one out that is, before I hunt down a used one to buy. I'm sure one of my two daughters would love one if I bought one anyway, even if I didn't for myself; we'd use it for family touring as we gear up to replace our family summer canoe trips with kayaks. I am more open to the idea of a Mariner kayak than in the past, as far as an Elan for myself goes. Matt thinks I'm in the news too much to be in one of his kayaks, though. :-) But it's hard to test a kayak out for real these days. You almost need to rent one for a week, test how sensitive the design is to gear related placement issues in different winds and waves, all-day comfort levels, happiness with stability levels, etc, etc. Anything else is a cold one night stand. Symposia testing just doesn't cut it for me, though it does rule out kayaks that are too small to fit into and kayaks with too high a rear deck and kayaks that are too stable. As for Mariner kayaks and those Broze brothers, this world would have been so much more different without them. Big wet suit booties to fill there for sure. For now, I'll stick to singing Van's original song while I'm out paddling. I'm hoping to get out in a couple more weekends over to the WCP weekend on Pender coming up. I'll actually be paddling for other reasons than simply the pure joy of being in my Nordkapp this time, in the Forager. I remember one year, very late at night, sitting in my freshly painted/modified Nordkapp (Air Canada aircraft-paint red over white it was then) having just finished up the new deck lines and a better seat, sitting in the cockpit up on sawhorses for over an hour, just sitting there snug as a bug, listening to Enya cranked ("Sailawaysailawaysailawy"), dreaming of a west coast adventure about a week hence, all excited and not wanting to go to sleep - too pumped for bed. Those were the days Craig. Just big kids really, right? No retrograde horizon. I was already in the Mystic by the time I punched through the shorebreak I think. Doug L Craig said: Never discount the Broze brothers. Maybe their next boat will be the Mariner Mystic; a playboat for Doug Lloyd. Cool work, Doug. :) Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: Sorry gang, I cut and pasted the wrong version after spell check; corrected below. Ya gotta know a bit about Mariners to catch it. For Matt: Into The Mystic - by Doug Lloyd An ocean cradles my slender craft Not as a mother her own But life cradling the journey. The Mystery, the Profoundness of All Transcendence found in undulations Rising, falling. Floating above. Ere, my bonnie boat glides Fleeting spindrift. Wind-thrown away And the moments? Accounted for! So few really knew It rocked the gypsy soul Born before wind and waves. Hull. Water. Apart and one. Free of encumberances Magnificently. Visionary. A Legacy of friends. Into the Mystic all must go. The Mariner. There is no fear. Doug Lloyd Victoria BC (with appologies to Van Morrison) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > Okay Craig, maybe it was a bit weird more than cool - 4 weeks straight now > completely flat out at two jobs where I'm averaging 35% higher production > than anyone else leaves me a bit spaced at nights for any 5 minute poetry. I thought it was pretty cool... but you may need to learn how to pace yourself. :) > > Well, Matt is a way cool guy. > Hard to beat a weekend at Pt. Townsend hanging out with Matt Broze, that's for sure. All the stories about the early days, who designed what, and what features were "borrowed". I only wish I'd taped it. You should have jumped on the ferry to Port Angeles and let me pick you up. Remember that for this September. > But where's that Melissa when we need her for some real cool prose? > She's probably boogying up and down the wild coast. :) Anyway, maybe something will happen yet with Mariner. I'd like to try an > Elan out in the southern V. Island area sometime if anyone knows where I can > try one out that is, before I hunt down a used one to buy. I'm sure one of > my two daughters would love one if I bought one anyway, even if I didn't for > myself; we'd use it for family touring as we gear up to replace our family > summer canoe trips with kayaks. I am more open to the idea of a Mariner > kayak than in the past, as far as an Elan for myself goes. Matt thinks I'm > in the news too much to be in one of his kayaks, though. :-) I might never have tried a Mariner if Pam hadn't forwarded me a craigslist posting for an $1100 Express in the U-District of Seattle. She had just bought a kevlar boat she probably shouldn't have, but we met at that place and took the Express over to Lake Washington where there was a nice little 13kt breeze and boat wakes. When I felt the Express try to get away on every wave and wake I was in love. The Elan is almost exactly the same boat but lower volume; just the way you like them, actually. If you can get to Whidbey Island we can put you in my boat and turn you loose in Deception Pass. But it's hard to test a kayak out for real these days. You almost need to > rent one for a week, test how sensitive the design is to gear related > placement issues in different winds and waves, all-day comfort levels, > happiness with stability levels, etc, etc. Anything else is a cold one night > stand. Symposia testing just doesn't cut it for me, though it does rule out > kayaks that are too small to fit into and kayaks with too high a rear deck > and kayaks that are too stable. Well, the Express seems to me to be rock-solid stable. By that I mean I don't have to think about staying upright in a seaway. It just rides over everything. But it is nimble and playful too. Not as nimble as the Coaster, but a sweet ride nonetheless... and fun. The Elan may feel even more stable being so low in volume. The Express and Elan are pretty too... at least to my eye.... slender and shapely. The Coaster, on the other hand, isn't pretty; it looks like a boat REI might sell. LOL > As for Mariner kayaks and those Broze brothers, this world would have been > so much more different without them. Big wet suit booties to fill there for > sure. LOL... yup. For now, I'll stick to singing Van's original song while I'm out paddling. > I'm hoping to get out in a couple more weekends over to the WCP weekend on > Pender coming up. I'll actually be paddling for other reasons than simply > the pure joy of being in my Nordkapp this time, in the Forager. I remember > one year, very late at night, sitting in my freshly painted/modified > Nordkapp (Air Canada aircraft-paint red over white it was then) having just > finished up the new deck lines and a better seat, sitting in the cockpit up > on sawhorses for over an hour, just sitting there snug as a bug, listening > to Enya cranked ("Sailawaysailawaysailawy"), dreaming of a west coast > adventure about a week hence, all excited and not wanting to go to sleep - > too pumped for bed. Those were the days Craig. Just big kids really, right? > No retrograde horizon. I was already in the Mystic by the time I punched > through the shorebreak I think. LOL... my wife says men are kids until the testosterone fog lifts about age 40; then we have about two weeks of sanity before we launch into our first mid-life crisis. And I've got the Harley to prove it!!! Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Craig wrote: > LOL... my wife says men are kids until the testosterone fog lifts about age > 40; then we have about two weeks of sanity before we launch into our first > mid-life crisis. I had mine a wee bit earlier! Till I was 38 I lived a pretty miserable life, except during my vacations, and it was during one of these that I was run over, and very nearly killed. Lost, according to the doctors, about 5 liters of blood, something you normally don't survive, but, as my South African doctor trainee told me, pointing skyward, "Some devil up there likes you!" This accident made me reappraise the good in life, and since then I have been slightly handicapped, but life has been much better to me, in every way. I made up a list of things to do, and it is just the pilot's license that's lacking, as of now! I am no longer single, I have a job I like, I have a darling wife (who thought I was a bore before the accident), I love my life, et cetera. Just as some mercenaries I've known, I learned the hard way to prioritize - if your employer doesn't please you: quit, if you like someone tell them so (I was good at being nasty and cynic, before, but couldn't show affection in a sensible way), if not, tell them so, and you're nothing important, you're just another guy, if a wee bit clever! Whining leads nowhere! So while I had my crisis a bit too early, it certainly made me appreciate the good things in life, and even if I had been miserable much of my life, some had been nice to me, and I have tried to show my appreciation afterwards, in any way possible. Sadly, some have vanished, like the guy who came visiting almost every day I spent in Bridge of Earn Hospital, now a closed down WWII military hospital, designed to be used 6 months in 1940, and closed down some 52 years later - A parallell to Manston, on the channel coast, but for bombers crash-landing after returning from northern raids. Anyway, this great guy, Andy Williams, and his dear wife Shiela, have vanished - no longer being in Perth, Scotland. His first flat had been taken over by another lady, and the house he later moved to seems to be empty as well ... Oops. Good night, all! Give a hug to your bus-driving wife, Craig! Tord -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Just as some mercenaries I've known, I learned the hard way to > prioritize - > if your employer doesn't please you: quit, if you like someone tell them > so > (I was good at being nasty and cynic, before, but couldn't show affection > in > a sensible way), if not, tell them so, and you're nothing important, > you're > just another guy, if a wee bit clever! Whining leads nowhere! Bringing this back to kayaking, I'll jump in here and say when my employer gives me a hard time I just try even harder, make them guilty - usually after a few minutes of sulking. But, then when I go out paddling, it's like, bug off all you boss jerks and pathetic co-workers, I'm livin'n life now baby, doing exactly what I want and going where I want to go, doing stuff you'll never do, nobody to tell me what to do. That's one of the aspects of kayaking I love. There's days I wish I could put a big sign on the beach, "Bug off everyone!" (keeping the language family-friendly here). Well, I soon have to go back to work to make a living though. When my boss goes to the Bahamas and my co workers go to Mexico and stretch out on the beaches, they are probably thinking the same thoughts about me! :-) I'll have to try that lying around on the beach in Mexico one day thing - naa, I just bought some new Chota Quicklace Mukluks, a new tent, and new paddling apparel. See you on the water, maybe the beach at the end of the day. Doug L *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:16:05 -0700, "Doug Lloyd" <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> said: > I'll have to try > that lying around on the beach in Mexico one day thing - naa, I just > bought some new Chota Quicklace Mukluks, a new tent, and new paddling apparel. > See you on the water, maybe the beach at the end of the day. How much do the quicklace mukluks take on during a swim? I've got a non-lacing pair and they seem to take on several liters during a swim, which I'm not happy about when trying to climb back onto my boat. For off season paddling anything that slows the remounting process is a concern. Kirk -- Kirk Olsen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have some non-quick-lace Chota mukluks and some tall NRS Boundary boots with straps over the instep. Both have a strap at the calf. The foot of the boots fits very tightly, so much so that you have to defeat a vacuum to get them off. The lacing just makes that fit even tighter, so it won't displace much more water. Neither pair takes in an awful lot of water. More on the order of a cup than several liters. My observations are based on a swim of the approach to Nantahala Falls and stupidly walking into 3 feet of water. YMMV. Steve Kirk Olsen wrote: > How much do the quicklace mukluks take on during a swim? I've got a > non-lacing pair and they seem to take on several liters during a swim, > which I'm not happy about when trying to climb back onto my boat. -- Steve Cramer Athens, GA http://www.savvypaddler.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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