From: "Matt Broze" marinerkayaks_at_msn.com (snip) >We are again out of the kayak selling business. The last kayak > we made (an Elan) is in my garage and is expected to be picked up next > week. > I have gotten all the molds back and now have an even more serious storage > problem. We won't be selling mariner's any longer. Several companies are > interested in making some of all of them so something could happen along > that line (if it doesn't require too much work on my part) but nothing is > fixed or likely to happen real soon in that respect. In the present > economy > kayaks and other higher priced items (like cars) are not flying off the > showroom floor these days. Cam, Matt...we love you. Maybe it's "not a country for old men" anymore but you two will always be younger than the sun. Thank you Matt for the years - your brilliance; your generosity of heart. For Matt: Into The Mystic - by Doug Lloyd An ocean cradles my slender craft Not as a mother her own But life cradling the journey. The Mystery, the Profoundness of All Transcendence found in undulations Rising, falling.floating through. Ere, my bonnie boat glides Fleeting spindrift. Wind-thrown away And the moments? Accounted for! So few really knew It rocked the gypsy soul Born before wind and waves. Hull. Water. Apart and one. Free of encumberances Magnificently. Visionary. A Legacy of friends. Into the Mystic all must go. The Mariner. There is no fear. Doug Lloyd Victoria BC (with appologies to Van Morrison) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sorry gang, I cut and pasted the wrong version after spell check; corrected below. Ya gotta know a bit about Mariners to catch it. For Matt: Into The Mystic - by Doug Lloyd An ocean cradles my slender craft Not as a mother her own But life cradling the journey. The Mystery, the Profoundness of All Transcendence found in undulations Rising, falling. Floating above. Ere, my bonnie boat glides Fleeting spindrift. Wind-thrown away And the moments? Accounted for! So few really knew It rocked the gypsy soul Born before wind and waves. Hull. Water. Apart and one. Free of encumberances Magnificently. Visionary. A Legacy of friends. Into the Mystic all must go. The Mariner. There is no fear. Doug Lloyd Victoria BC (with appologies to Van Morrison) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Never discount the Broze brothers. Maybe their next boat will be the Mariner Mystic; a playboat for Doug Lloyd. Cool work, Doug. :) Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > Sorry gang, I cut and pasted the wrong version after spell check; > corrected below. Ya gotta know a bit about Mariners to catch it. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Okay Craig, maybe it was a bit weird more than cool - 4 weeks straight now completely flat out at two jobs where I'm averaging 35% higher production than anyone else leaves me a bit spaced at nights for any 5 minute poetry. I'm worse when I kayak though in my Nordy - just relentlessness until I cramp up in the afternoon gales, though that only slows me down a bit. Well, Matt is a way cool guy. But where's that Melissa when we need her for some real cool prose? Anyway, maybe something will happen yet with Mariner. I'd like to try an Elan out in the southern V. Island area sometime if anyone knows where I can try one out that is, before I hunt down a used one to buy. I'm sure one of my two daughters would love one if I bought one anyway, even if I didn't for myself; we'd use it for family touring as we gear up to replace our family summer canoe trips with kayaks. I am more open to the idea of a Mariner kayak than in the past, as far as an Elan for myself goes. Matt thinks I'm in the news too much to be in one of his kayaks, though. :-) But it's hard to test a kayak out for real these days. You almost need to rent one for a week, test how sensitive the design is to gear related placement issues in different winds and waves, all-day comfort levels, happiness with stability levels, etc, etc. Anything else is a cold one night stand. Symposia testing just doesn't cut it for me, though it does rule out kayaks that are too small to fit into and kayaks with too high a rear deck and kayaks that are too stable. As for Mariner kayaks and those Broze brothers, this world would have been so much more different without them. Big wet suit booties to fill there for sure. For now, I'll stick to singing Van's original song while I'm out paddling. I'm hoping to get out in a couple more weekends over to the WCP weekend on Pender coming up. I'll actually be paddling for other reasons than simply the pure joy of being in my Nordkapp this time, in the Forager. I remember one year, very late at night, sitting in my freshly painted/modified Nordkapp (Air Canada aircraft-paint red over white it was then) having just finished up the new deck lines and a better seat, sitting in the cockpit up on sawhorses for over an hour, just sitting there snug as a bug, listening to Enya cranked ("Sailawaysailawaysailawy"), dreaming of a west coast adventure about a week hence, all excited and not wanting to go to sleep - too pumped for bed. Those were the days Craig. Just big kids really, right? No retrograde horizon. I was already in the Mystic by the time I punched through the shorebreak I think. Doug L Craig said: Never discount the Broze brothers. Maybe their next boat will be the Mariner Mystic; a playboat for Doug Lloyd. Cool work, Doug. :) Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: Sorry gang, I cut and pasted the wrong version after spell check; corrected below. Ya gotta know a bit about Mariners to catch it. For Matt: Into The Mystic - by Doug Lloyd An ocean cradles my slender craft Not as a mother her own But life cradling the journey. The Mystery, the Profoundness of All Transcendence found in undulations Rising, falling. Floating above. Ere, my bonnie boat glides Fleeting spindrift. Wind-thrown away And the moments? Accounted for! So few really knew It rocked the gypsy soul Born before wind and waves. Hull. Water. Apart and one. Free of encumberances Magnificently. Visionary. A Legacy of friends. Into the Mystic all must go. The Mariner. There is no fear. Doug Lloyd Victoria BC (with appologies to Van Morrison) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > Okay Craig, maybe it was a bit weird more than cool - 4 weeks straight now > completely flat out at two jobs where I'm averaging 35% higher production > than anyone else leaves me a bit spaced at nights for any 5 minute poetry. I thought it was pretty cool... but you may need to learn how to pace yourself. :) > > Well, Matt is a way cool guy. > Hard to beat a weekend at Pt. Townsend hanging out with Matt Broze, that's for sure. All the stories about the early days, who designed what, and what features were "borrowed". I only wish I'd taped it. You should have jumped on the ferry to Port Angeles and let me pick you up. Remember that for this September. > But where's that Melissa when we need her for some real cool prose? > She's probably boogying up and down the wild coast. :) Anyway, maybe something will happen yet with Mariner. I'd like to try an > Elan out in the southern V. Island area sometime if anyone knows where I can > try one out that is, before I hunt down a used one to buy. I'm sure one of > my two daughters would love one if I bought one anyway, even if I didn't for > myself; we'd use it for family touring as we gear up to replace our family > summer canoe trips with kayaks. I am more open to the idea of a Mariner > kayak than in the past, as far as an Elan for myself goes. Matt thinks I'm > in the news too much to be in one of his kayaks, though. :-) I might never have tried a Mariner if Pam hadn't forwarded me a craigslist posting for an $1100 Express in the U-District of Seattle. She had just bought a kevlar boat she probably shouldn't have, but we met at that place and took the Express over to Lake Washington where there was a nice little 13kt breeze and boat wakes. When I felt the Express try to get away on every wave and wake I was in love. The Elan is almost exactly the same boat but lower volume; just the way you like them, actually. If you can get to Whidbey Island we can put you in my boat and turn you loose in Deception Pass. But it's hard to test a kayak out for real these days. You almost need to > rent one for a week, test how sensitive the design is to gear related > placement issues in different winds and waves, all-day comfort levels, > happiness with stability levels, etc, etc. Anything else is a cold one night > stand. Symposia testing just doesn't cut it for me, though it does rule out > kayaks that are too small to fit into and kayaks with too high a rear deck > and kayaks that are too stable. Well, the Express seems to me to be rock-solid stable. By that I mean I don't have to think about staying upright in a seaway. It just rides over everything. But it is nimble and playful too. Not as nimble as the Coaster, but a sweet ride nonetheless... and fun. The Elan may feel even more stable being so low in volume. The Express and Elan are pretty too... at least to my eye.... slender and shapely. The Coaster, on the other hand, isn't pretty; it looks like a boat REI might sell. LOL > As for Mariner kayaks and those Broze brothers, this world would have been > so much more different without them. Big wet suit booties to fill there for > sure. LOL... yup. For now, I'll stick to singing Van's original song while I'm out paddling. > I'm hoping to get out in a couple more weekends over to the WCP weekend on > Pender coming up. I'll actually be paddling for other reasons than simply > the pure joy of being in my Nordkapp this time, in the Forager. I remember > one year, very late at night, sitting in my freshly painted/modified > Nordkapp (Air Canada aircraft-paint red over white it was then) having just > finished up the new deck lines and a better seat, sitting in the cockpit up > on sawhorses for over an hour, just sitting there snug as a bug, listening > to Enya cranked ("Sailawaysailawaysailawy"), dreaming of a west coast > adventure about a week hence, all excited and not wanting to go to sleep - > too pumped for bed. Those were the days Craig. Just big kids really, right? > No retrograde horizon. I was already in the Mystic by the time I punched > through the shorebreak I think. LOL... my wife says men are kids until the testosterone fog lifts about age 40; then we have about two weeks of sanity before we launch into our first mid-life crisis. And I've got the Harley to prove it!!! Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Craig wrote: > LOL... my wife says men are kids until the testosterone fog lifts about age > 40; then we have about two weeks of sanity before we launch into our first > mid-life crisis. I had mine a wee bit earlier! Till I was 38 I lived a pretty miserable life, except during my vacations, and it was during one of these that I was run over, and very nearly killed. Lost, according to the doctors, about 5 liters of blood, something you normally don't survive, but, as my South African doctor trainee told me, pointing skyward, "Some devil up there likes you!" This accident made me reappraise the good in life, and since then I have been slightly handicapped, but life has been much better to me, in every way. I made up a list of things to do, and it is just the pilot's license that's lacking, as of now! I am no longer single, I have a job I like, I have a darling wife (who thought I was a bore before the accident), I love my life, et cetera. Just as some mercenaries I've known, I learned the hard way to prioritize - if your employer doesn't please you: quit, if you like someone tell them so (I was good at being nasty and cynic, before, but couldn't show affection in a sensible way), if not, tell them so, and you're nothing important, you're just another guy, if a wee bit clever! Whining leads nowhere! So while I had my crisis a bit too early, it certainly made me appreciate the good things in life, and even if I had been miserable much of my life, some had been nice to me, and I have tried to show my appreciation afterwards, in any way possible. Sadly, some have vanished, like the guy who came visiting almost every day I spent in Bridge of Earn Hospital, now a closed down WWII military hospital, designed to be used 6 months in 1940, and closed down some 52 years later - A parallell to Manston, on the channel coast, but for bombers crash-landing after returning from northern raids. Anyway, this great guy, Andy Williams, and his dear wife Shiela, have vanished - no longer being in Perth, Scotland. His first flat had been taken over by another lady, and the house he later moved to seems to be empty as well ... Oops. Good night, all! Give a hug to your bus-driving wife, Craig! Tord -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Just as some mercenaries I've known, I learned the hard way to > prioritize - > if your employer doesn't please you: quit, if you like someone tell them > so > (I was good at being nasty and cynic, before, but couldn't show affection > in > a sensible way), if not, tell them so, and you're nothing important, > you're > just another guy, if a wee bit clever! Whining leads nowhere! Bringing this back to kayaking, I'll jump in here and say when my employer gives me a hard time I just try even harder, make them guilty - usually after a few minutes of sulking. But, then when I go out paddling, it's like, bug off all you boss jerks and pathetic co-workers, I'm livin'n life now baby, doing exactly what I want and going where I want to go, doing stuff you'll never do, nobody to tell me what to do. That's one of the aspects of kayaking I love. There's days I wish I could put a big sign on the beach, "Bug off everyone!" (keeping the language family-friendly here). Well, I soon have to go back to work to make a living though. When my boss goes to the Bahamas and my co workers go to Mexico and stretch out on the beaches, they are probably thinking the same thoughts about me! :-) I'll have to try that lying around on the beach in Mexico one day thing - naa, I just bought some new Chota Quicklace Mukluks, a new tent, and new paddling apparel. See you on the water, maybe the beach at the end of the day. Doug L *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:16:05 -0700, "Doug Lloyd" <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> said: > I'll have to try > that lying around on the beach in Mexico one day thing - naa, I just > bought some new Chota Quicklace Mukluks, a new tent, and new paddling apparel. > See you on the water, maybe the beach at the end of the day. How much do the quicklace mukluks take on during a swim? I've got a non-lacing pair and they seem to take on several liters during a swim, which I'm not happy about when trying to climb back onto my boat. For off season paddling anything that slows the remounting process is a concern. Kirk -- Kirk Olsen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have some non-quick-lace Chota mukluks and some tall NRS Boundary boots with straps over the instep. Both have a strap at the calf. The foot of the boots fits very tightly, so much so that you have to defeat a vacuum to get them off. The lacing just makes that fit even tighter, so it won't displace much more water. Neither pair takes in an awful lot of water. More on the order of a cup than several liters. My observations are based on a swim of the approach to Nantahala Falls and stupidly walking into 3 feet of water. YMMV. Steve Kirk Olsen wrote: > How much do the quicklace mukluks take on during a swim? I've got a > non-lacing pair and they seem to take on several liters during a swim, > which I'm not happy about when trying to climb back onto my boat. -- Steve Cramer Athens, GA http://www.savvypaddler.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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