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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:56:41 -0700
Paddlewisers should be proud. Two of us have major articles in the August,
2008 issue of Sea Kayaker Magazine. Rob Gibbert with an excellent analysis
of a paddle gone awry in Rosario Strait (San Juan Islands, Washington State)
and Duane Strosaker's wonderful piece on Catalina Island (to which, and from
which, he's led several single day paddles ... an amazing feat except that
feet probably didn't have much to do with it... over 40 miles in one day).

Golly, every paddler should be reading (and contributing to) this forum.
<grin>


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: <rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:29:36 -0400
Craig and all,

we have a joke whenever we do a club trip and gather at the put in: let's not have George Gronseth do the write up for this trip, so let's be safe out there, folks. So my introduction to most of Sea Kayaker's readers is a particular screw up of mine. That's alright, we solved our own problems. A good friend of mine who was on that trip said I shouldn't worry, he has now starred in two safety articles.

I haven't paddled with Duane in a few years, but he is very fun to paddle with and one helluva paddler. He has made alot of contributions to Sea Kayaker and Sea Kayaker is better off for it.

Cheers,

Rob G


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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
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Subject: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker



Paddlewisers should be proud. Two of us have major articles in the August,
2008 issue of Sea Kayaker Magazine. Rob Gibbert with an excellent analysis
of a paddle gone awry in Rosario Strait (San Juan Islands, Washington State)
and Duane Strosaker's wonderful piece on Catalina Island (to which, and from
which, he's led several single day paddles ... an amazing feat except that
feet probably didn't have much to do with it... over 40 miles in one day).

Golly, every paddler should be reading (and contributing to) this forum.
<grin>


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:34:11 -0700
rcgibbert_at_aol.com wrote:

> we have a joke whenever we do a club trip and gather at the put in: 
> let's not have George Gronseth do the write up for this trip, so let's 
> be safe out there, folks. So my introduction to most of Sea Kayaker's 
> readers is a particular screw up of mine. That's alright, we solved our 
> own problems. A good friend of mine who was on that trip said I 
> shouldn't worry, he has now starred in two safety articles.

Rob's article is a must-read for anybody paddling open waters.  He details 
events dispassionately and clearly, with particular attention to the 
multiple, manifold methods he and his skilled compadres employed to rescue 
the boaters who capsized.  One, a good WW paddler, learns that sea paddling 
has no eddies below drops for recuperation and regrouping.

Rob tells it like it was: he was the guy who allowed the WW guy to come 
along, despite his lack of sea time.  Rob just lays it out so we can learn 
from what happened.

Definitely one of the most revealing, instructive safety articles in Sea 
Kayaker, ever, emphasizing the value of training in several alternate 
rescue strategies/methods, and the value of good group management.

The WW paddler owes his life to the cadre of talented, well-trained folks 
in Rob's group.  Once the stuff hit the fan, they did everything right.

Thanks, Rob.

PS:  Deep Trouble has a great tale in it of another multiple-paddler 
incident, off Flores in Clayoquot Sound, I think, in which one of the 
principals is either Gronseth or Broze (they don't let on which one). 
You're in good company, Rob!

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: <rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:57:00 -0400
Thanks Dave, for the good comments. I'm thinking of an ad for my new imaginary sea kayak touring company:

We'll get you you thoroughly trashed, but at the end of the day you'll probably live!

Cheers,

Rob G
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:35:10 -0700
   Just got around to reading "A Series of Capsizes" by Rob Gibbert in the
August 2008 issue of Sea Kayaker . Nicely written article and very thorough.
I noticed several times that the capsizee was having troubles with  
weathercocking, but there was no explanation of the cause. I am very  
curious what the possible cause and cure could be. The article  
certainly causes one to
re-evaluate the pursuit of solo paddling.
   Also in the same issue, the article by Eric Soares sure brings home
our own fallibility. Definitely interesting and somewhat disturbing reading.
   And on top of that, a neat article by Duane Strosaker on marathon paddling
to Catalina Island. Did he really paddle 100 miles in a day? Where's my
calculator? That sounds like 10 mph.
   I have to rest now.

   Brad

Quoting rcgibbert_at_aol.com:

> Thanks Dave, for the good comments. I'm thinking of an ad for my new  
>  imaginary sea kayak touring company:
>
> We'll get you you thoroughly trashed, but at the end of the day   
> you'll probably live!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob G
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:24:44 -0700
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote:

>  Just got around to reading "A Series of Capsizes" by Rob Gibbert in the
> August 2008 issue of Sea Kayaker . Nicely written article and very
> thorough.
> I noticed several times that the capsizee was having troubles with
> weathercocking, but there was no explanation of the cause. I am very curious
> what the possible cause and cure could be.


I wondered if "Andy" had loaded the boat incorrectly. I would have thought
that the experienced paddlers would have noticed the weathercocking and
showed him how to deploy the skeg (if there was one... apparently not). No
rudder and no skeg. Not very many boats with neither of those so balancing
the load would be an important issue. And edging would be an issue, too.

White water paddlers - and "Andy" had most of his experience in canoing
white water not kayaking according to the article - don't have to learn to
edge their boats to make them turn. In fact, the issue is often how to stop
them from turning; once they get the bit in their teeth, so to speak, a w/w
kayak can turn all by itself and it takes a lot of effort to make it stop.
Rob doesn't mention which boat it was, but perhaps if "Andy" had simply set
the boat slightly on edge he wouldn't have exhausted himself making all
those sweep strokes.

Also, white water kayaking experience is a wonderful teaching tool but one
thing it does not do is help you with your physical conditioning. You learn
all about eddies, bracing, rolling, and ferrying but there isn't a lot of
paddling. In fact, if you only paddle in the rapids and never paddle on the
quiet water (which a LOT of w/w paddlers do) then sooner or later the
take-out will show up anyway. White water paddling does not prepare you for
a 15 mile slog down-current into the wind. Go watch paddlers on the
Deschutes or Wenatchee Rivers and you'll see them laying back and relaxing
between rapids or sitting in a line in the eddy waiting for their turn on
the wave. They tend to be sprinters not marathoners.


> The article certainly causes one to re-evaluate the pursuit of solo
> paddling.


Or to have more experience. That passage has a series of possible nasty
places including "bird rocks" (which Rob says they passed - apparently with
few problems), the shelf they hit, and Cattle Pass (between Lopez and San
Juan Island). If there is any wind at all then you are likely to encounter
rips and wave trains somewhere along that route because you paddle almost
every direction (except easterly) on the trip. I'd make that paddle solo
(I've paddled sections of it) but I'd want to do it on a day when the
conditions were acceptable to me (little or no wind) and expected to remain
so. I'd never do it in the spring when conditions are so unsettled and when
my own conditioning and skills are at a minimum.

I thought one of the strong points in Rob's article was the implicit
understanding that just paddling white water is not an automatic ticket for
a strenuous trip in a sea kayak. White water paddlers often denigrate sea
kayaking as "Class I" but they often just don't understand. As "Andy"
pointed out in the article, you can usually scout a river and see where
paddlers are having trouble (or likely to) but in sea kayaking you can't
just pick up and portage around the bad spots. And there is no quiet pool at
the end.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: <rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:44:59 -0400
I'll answer Brad and Craig here. Brad first:

Andy was using a Nigel Dennis Explorer. there was not much of a load in it, maybe several pounds in a day hatch, plus wheels for the ferry. I don't think of it as a weathercocking boat but perhaps I may just sit very subtly to the side and not notice it if it occurs. Andy had lots of good tips offered but once he got in the zone of misery and fear, there was nothing he could do to implement them. His voice got higher. His statements more truncated. His neck stiff and torso rigid. I have not read a better article on paddling than the 3 part Mind Over Water series in American Whitewater, written by Doug Ammons. Andy's fear responses were so well described in Doug's article that I just happened to be reading?one of the pieces at the time, so I knew what was going on. The articles appeared in the November/December 2007; March/April 2008; and May/June 2008 issues. I highly recommend anyone to go well out of your way to read them.

At it's most basic, Andy lost control as he succumbed to his sea sickness misery and could not come back. I would rate his physical condition as outstanding. He is young and climbs, runs and was confident.?But he?was further eroded by fear, until he?had become completely reliant on our services. Ironically, last year one of his rescuers found himself totally in the same condition?and was the subject of an hour long tow session to get him back to the beach at Cape Flattery. That epic also was not fun.?Sea sickness?happens to some of us and it will take everything you have and more. I believe Sea Kayaker has some medical professionals among its readership and would love to see them recruit one to do a writeup on the condition.

I have been a part of at least half a dozen sea sickness events while paddling and they are very difficult to deal with. The first one I offered someone who was slowly going down hill a Tums which she took and she felt much better. I gave a man a Tums and he reported no more ill effects. A friend got sea sickness as his prescribed patch fell off due to oily skin and he refused my Tums and he withered to the point my wife had to raft up and I had to tow him from Portage head to Shi Shi beach. That same guy a couple years later required the same raft and tow coming back from a trip at Cape Flattery, but I had 3 others tow him and paddled next to the rafted pair encouraging him to wake up and get it together because he would very shortly be going into the surf zone on his own. He made it in fine, a bit wobbly though.

I view whitewater and sea kayaking as very different sports. When you are in the middle of Rosario Strait and the waves jack up, the eddy is a long way away. I have a good friend who is no stranger to class 4 whitewater get bug eyed at Cape Flattery and he said it was way more challenging than he thought it would be. Coming from a sea kayaking background to whitewater I have the same impression. Class 3 was very hard whitewater for me to do for awhile. My friend has been very good to me when I've been challenged on the river. I always thought Deception Pass was fast, that is until I was going 20 miles an hour down a steep drop. 

I agree that whitewater paddlers don't see the whole deal with sea kayaking. When the water goes out of the mountains in August and September around here they start showing up at the beach to surf. Alot of them are starting to convert to sea paddling at least for a few months and they start to get it. This year the whitewater has been exceptional as a high snowpack and a cooler spring have kept the streams at sustained flows and it is really hard to want to do anything else right now. I've been flagged by 15 mile river days because when I absolutely have to make certain lines I'm paddling very hard to do them.

I'm a social creature so solo paddling is not in my skill set.

Cheers,

Rob G

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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
To: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
Cc: rcgibbert_at_aol.com; kdruger_at_pacifier.com; paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net
Sent: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:24 am
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker


On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote:


?Just got around to reading "A Series of Capsizes" by Rob Gibbert in the
August 2008 issue of Sea Kayaker . Nicely written article and very thorough.
I noticed several times that the capsizee was having troubles with weathercocking, but there was no explanation of the cause. I am very curious what the possible cause and cure could be. 


I wondered if "Andy" had loaded the boat incorrectly. I would have thought that the experienced paddlers would have noticed the weathercocking and showed him how to deploy the skeg (if there was one... apparently not). No rudder and no skeg. Not very many boats with neither of those so balancing the load would be an important issue. And edging would be an issue, too.

White water paddlers - and "Andy" had most of his experience in canoing white water not kayaking according to the article - don't have to learn to edge their boats to make them turn. In fact, the issue is often how to stop them from turning; once they get the bit in their teeth, so to speak, a w/w kayak can turn all by itself and it takes a lot of effort to make it stop. Rob doesn't mention which boat it was, but perhaps if "Andy" had simply set the boat slightly on edge he wouldn't have exhausted himself making all those sweep strokes.

Also, white water kayaking experience is a wonderful teaching tool but one thing it does not do is help you with your physical conditioning. You learn all about eddies, bracing, rolling, and ferrying but there isn't a lot of paddling. In fact, if you only paddle in the rapids and never paddle on the quiet water (which a LOT of w/w paddlers do) then sooner or later the take-out will show up anyway. White water paddling does not prepare you for a 15 mile slog down-current into the wind. Go watch paddlers on the Deschutes or Wenatchee Rivers and you'll see them laying back and relaxing between rapids or sitting in a line in the eddy waiting for their turn on the wave. They tend to be sprinters not marathoners.
?

The article certainly causes one to re-evaluate the pursuit of solo paddling.


Or to have more experience. That passage has a series of possible nasty places including "bird rocks" (which Rob says they passed - apparently with few problems), the shelf they hit, and Cattle Pass (between Lopez and San Juan Island). If there is any wind at all then you are likely to encounter rips and wave trains somewhere along that route because you paddle almost every direction (except easterly) on the trip. I'd make that paddle solo (I've paddled sections of it) but I'd want to do it on a day when the conditions were acceptable to me (little or no wind) and expected to remain so. I'd never do it in the spring when conditions are so unsettled and when my own conditioning and skills are at a minimum.

I thought one of the strong points in Rob's article was the implicit understanding that just paddling white water is not an automatic ticket for a strenuous trip in a sea kayak. White water paddlers often denigrate sea kayaking as "Class I" but they often just don't understand. As "Andy" pointed out in the article, you can usually scout a river and see where paddlers are having trouble (or likely to) but in sea kayaking you can't just pick up and portage around the bad spots. And there is no quiet pool at the end.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: Duane Strosaker <strosaker_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:50:14 -0700 (PDT)
Bradford,

The "Hundred Miler" was in 35 hours and 45 minutes, without landing or sleeping and no help from wind or current.

http://www.rollordrown.com/hm.html

Duane



--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote:

>    And on top of that, a neat article by Duane Strosaker on
> marathon paddling
> to Catalina Island. Did he really paddle 100 miles in a
> day? Where's my
> calculator? That sounds like 10 mph.
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:53:08 -0700
Craig said:
> an amazing feat except
> that
> feet probably didn't have much to do with it... over 40 miles in one
> day).

Duane's 40 miler pales in comparison to the 100 mile non-stop paddle he did
several years ago. The man is a paddling machine and a great source of
information and knowledge. I'm really glad to paddle with him at least 10-12
times a year.

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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:56:05 -0700
I was happy to get to meet up with a bunch of CKF'ers in Naples a few weeks
ago. I could put some faces to names... if I could just remember the faces
and names. :)

Craig

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net> wrote:

> Craig said:
> > an amazing feat except
> > that
> > feet probably didn't have much to do with it... over 40 miles in one
> > day).
>
> Duane's 40 miler pales in comparison to the 100 mile non-stop paddle he did
> several years ago. The man is a paddling machine and a great source of
> information and knowledge. I'm really glad to paddle with him at least
> 10-12
> times a year.
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From: Duane Strosaker <strosaker_at_yahoo.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:37:03 -0700 (PDT)
Paddlewisers,

I probably won't do the hundred miler again, but each year (even this year) I wonder if I'm really up to the 38 NM "Catalina for Lunch" crossings. Of course, a 19 oz. GP makes the challenge seam a little easier.

I'm proud to write for SK in the same issue as Rob Gibbert. I'm also proud to have a prior article in the same issue as Craig Jungers (who wrote night nav).

Like Rob, I often tell my friends, "Less not end up the subject of a safety article in SK."

Duane
Southern California
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From: Mike Euritt <sixteenfeet_at_sbcglobal.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
Like Rob, I often tell my friends, "Less not end up the subject of a safety article in SK."

**************************************
The lesson is not lost on us beginners,
When I had my second level class at bluewater Kayak on Tomales Bay, our workshop was tides/currents/navigation. The scenario the instructor set up was something like you are socked in fog visibility is 100', wind is howling, tide is ebbing, so you got lots of steep chop, you have a friend meeting you on Hog Island and he is starting form another location. there is no way to contact him to cancell plans... you gotta go.
So, sez he, how to you find your way to Hog Island?
My answer, go back to the car, you don't want to end up in a Sea Kayaker article about kayaking disasters.
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:33:46 -0700
I enjoy Duane's stuff. Looking forward to your article Rob - not sure if you 
just did the analysis or more. Most of my safety articles have dead men who 
don't tell tales, which leaves me in deference to the paddling community to 
supply information if they have it, which they don't always want to offer 
freely, but then some do.

The Brooks article is due for October. As my wife took away my Visa card, 
funding a new boat may have to rely on writing.

I'm looking forward to Jon Turk's article in August SK and Eric's story. The 
rotator cuff info looks like it will be useful - something some of us suffer 
from chronically.

Every time you think SK is getting old hat, fresh perspectives and new 
fodder is served up. Thanks to Paddlewisers for contributing. There's been 
some negative comments in the past; my perspective is then, contribute 
something.

Doug Lloyd

> Craig and all,
>
> we have a joke whenever we do a club trip and gather at the put in: let's 
> not have George Gronseth do the write up for this trip, so let's be safe 
> out there, folks. So my introduction to most of Sea Kayaker's readers is a 
> particular screw up of mine. That's alright, we solved our own problems. A 
> good friend of mine who was on that trip said I shouldn't worry, he has 
> now starred in two safety articles.
>
> I haven't paddled with Duane in a few years, but he is very fun to paddle 
> with and one helluva paddler. He has made alot of contributions to Sea 
> Kayaker and Sea Kayaker is better off for it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob G
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:10:47 -0700
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote:

>
> The Brooks article is due for October. As my wife took away my Visa card,
> funding a new boat may have to rely on writing.


I laughed at this and my wife asked me what I was laughing at. I made a
critical mistake and read it to her. Her response was, "Hey, that's a really
good idea."

Oh, crap.

Luckily I have (almost) all the kayaks I really want or need. But I would
love to have a GP like Duane made. Especially since I lost my beloved
Lightning graphite. :(

>
> I'm looking forward to Jon Turk's article in August SK and Eric's story.
> The rotator cuff info looks like it will be useful - something some of us
> suffer from chronically.


Great story... really worth buying the issue for. I have got to get my
weight machine and equipment set up in the shop since we moved it out of the
lake house (the room is now the "library"... pretty hoity toity).

>
>
> Every time you think SK is getting old hat, fresh perspectives and new
> fodder is served up. Thanks to Paddlewisers for contributing. There's been
> some negative comments in the past; my perspective is then, contribute
> something.


This issue of Sea Kayaker is a fantastic read! Chris Cunningham has done a
terrific job putting together entertaining pieces about where to kayak (near
and far), cogent and timely pieces on safety and physical fitness, two
reviews of kayaks that look exciting, and a timely article about SPOT;
something that is of interest to many paddlers in my area with the
wilderness paddling of BC just a ferry ride away.

I came to Paddlewise, as most of you know, to read more of Kruger's stories
and found a wellspring of wonderful kayak writers with you, Duane Strosaker,
Mark Sanders, Dave Kruger, Rob Gibbert, the Rev, and a host of others
contributing their knowledge and wisdom and sometimes just spinning a great
story. So many Paddlewisers have gone on to write for Sea Kayaker and
Wavelength that it makes me proud to be part. Then I followed Kruger and
Doug Lloyd to WestCoastPaddlers because, frankly, I can't get enough of what
they have to say and the way they say it and I now watch the CKF website for
stories from their group of talented paddlers (including Strosaker, Sanders,
and Steve Holtzman.

I've done a lot of activities over the years but in my opinion only soaring
rivals kayaking for the ability of the participants to analyze and report on
techniques, safety, self-discipline and other issues of the sport. Not
surprising since both activities are intensely mental and physical and
require a great deal of skill and judgement.

One of my greatest moments was watching the eyes of my 7-yr-old paddler get
wide when she recognized my name as author of an SK article. To a 7 year old
girl, only just getting acquainted with the world of books and magazines,
knowing someone who is an *author* was something special. It made me look at
the Paddlewisers with a new set of eyes. Writers *are* special. And I'm
happy to a part of it.

Thanks to all of you who have contributed.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: <rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:51:47 -0400
Doug,

you have been considerably entertaining over the years and quite informative. I got lucky, not yourself, George, or Matt, get to do the breakdown, I did it. I don't know why that happened, but I feel I was pretty honest about my contribution to the failures of the day and let no detail out of the analysis. I'm sure the Letters To The Editor will bring a few folks out and I welcome the feedback. 

The way the article worked out was pretty interesting in and of itself, as a process. Basically, I wrote an informal trip report breaking it down from my perspective and posted it on my local sea kayaking Yahoo group. That invited comments from many of the participants who offered their version. There were many back channel emails to all of us. My perspective was corrected by a few comments so the first draft was not gospel. It was reasonably accurate, but not good enough. Six viewers of a traffic accident have a different tale to tell. Someone in the meantime, posted it on Paddling.net and I heard about that, so I logged on and looked it over and offered a few comments but not much came out of it. One of my favorite photographers, who shall remain nameless as I'm not sure he wants his name bandied about on the spur, sent it to SK?via a good friend and participant, and SK contacted me if they could print it, but with a different direction. I had no problems in rewriting it a
 s all of you can surely attest, my first drafts aren't usually top shelf stuff.

I had to get my friend who swam much that day's permission first. He was ok with a semi-private website, but I was not sure about him going pro with an international audience. Since you have written many safety articles, Doug, I'm sure you understand the boundaries all too well. I got permission and Chris and his staff at SK helped me make it into something (I hope) is worthy of SK. It was different than what first made the rounds. I am very confident that the final result is as close to truth as one can get. I've never written professionally, so that was an interesting process. I've always just bored all of y'all with whatever stuff I've been selling out of my taco stand and called it a day. I'm quite fine with any commentary here if anyone has one after reading it.

Cheers,

Rob G





I enjoy Duane's stuff. Looking forward to your article Rob - not sure if you just did the analysis or more. Most of my safety articles have dead men who don't tell tales, which leaves me in deference to the paddling community to supply information if they have it, which they don't always want to offer freely, but then some do.?
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The Brooks article is due for October. As my wife took away my Visa card, funding a new boat may have to rely on writing.?
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I'm looking forward to Jon Turk's article in August SK and Eric's story. The rotator cuff info looks like it will be useful - something some of us suffer from chronically.?
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Every time you think SK is getting old hat, fresh perspectives and new fodder is served up. Thanks to Paddlewisers for contributing. There's been some negative comments in the past; my perspective is then, contribute something.?
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Doug Lloyd?




-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
To: rcgibbert_at_aol.com; crjungers_at_gmail.com; paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net
Sent: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 6:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker


I enjoy Duane's stuff. Looking forward to your article Rob - not sure if you just did the analysis or more. Most of my safety articles have dead men who don't tell tales, which leaves me in deference to the paddling community to supply information if they have it, which they don't always want to offer freely, but then some do.?
?
The Brooks article is due for October. As my wife took away my Visa card, funding a new boat may have to rely on writing.?
?
I'm looking forward to Jon Turk's article in August SK and Eric's story. The rotator cuff info looks like it will be useful - something some of us suffer from chronically.?
?
Every time you think SK is getting old hat, fresh perspectives and new fodder is served up. Thanks to Paddlewisers for contributing. There's been some negative comments in the past; my perspective is then, contribute something.?
?
Doug Lloyd?
?
> Craig and all,?
>?
> we have a joke whenever we do a club trip and gather at the put in: let's > not have George Gronseth do the write up for this trip, so let's be safe > out there, folks. So my introduction to most of Sea Kayaker's readers is a > particular screw up of mine. That's alright, we solved our own problems. A > good friend of mine who was on that trip said I shouldn't worry, he has > now starred in two safety articles.?
>?
> I haven't paddled with Duane in a few years, but he is very fun to paddle > with and one helluva paddler. He has made alot of contributions to Sea > Kayaker and Sea Kayaker is better off for it.?
>?
> Cheers,?
>?
> Rob G?
>?
?
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:22:33 -0700
rcgibbert_at_aol.com wrote:

> I've never written professionally, so that was an interesting process.
> I've always just bored all of y'all with whatever stuff I've been
> selling out of my taco stand and called it a day. I'm quite fine with
> any commentary here if anyone has one after reading it.

Rob, professional writers are to the rest of us as a lady of the night is 
to ... well ... some people I know.

[apologies to talented wordsmiths the world over:  John McPhee, Alice 
Munro, Ellen Gilchrist, Ann(e?) Tyler, Wallace Stegner, Ivan Doig, Gretchen 
Ehrlich, Molly Gloss, Raymond Carver, Alice Hoffman, Annie Proulx, Pam 
Houston, Linda Greenlaw, Walker Percy, Richard Ford, Richard Russo, Anita 
Shreve, and too many others I can not recall]

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] New (to me) Kayak
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:40:32 -0700
I'm the new owner of a Dagger RPM Max kayak. The only snag is it's in
Denver!
I spent 10 days out there, but the airline wouldn't let me take it home as a
carry on. I could swear I saw a commercial once where a guy came down the
baggage claim conveyor in a kayak!
Colorado makes river kayaking look pretty enticing, but I never got on the
water.
I plan to use it for surfing and rock gardening if I ever get it out here!

Mark Sanders
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:19:48 +0000
Rob,

What a well written article! Thanks for sharing the details of who said/thought what. 

Steve Holtzman

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From: Matt Broze <marinerkayaks_at_msn.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:41:54 -0700
Dave Kruger wrote:
>>>PS:  Deep Trouble has a great tale in it of another multiple-paddler 
incident, off Flores in Clayoquot Sound, I think, in which one of the 
principals is either Gronseth or Broze (they don't let on which one). 
You're in good company, Rob!<<<<<

Actually neither George nor I was there at the time. I'm not sure George was
even a paddler yet then. Although I had paddled in the area of the incident
previously so had a little experience with it (and chose not to try to round
the point that day based on those more benign and more visible conditions),
I wrote the article after interviewing most of the dozen or so participants
who got together with me to review the incident so their stories could be
told as a warning to other sea kayakers. 

One similarity to Rob's recent article was the WW paddler(s) on the ocean
who were rather new to sea kayaking. The majority of the Raphael Point
paddlers were good WW paddlers but rather new to sea kayaking therefore they
didn't have nearly the level of experienced sea kayaker back up that the WW
paddler in Rob's article had. They also found themselves in a much more
extreme environment on the open coast. Even the expert sea kayakers were
frightened there. The situation was huge peaking/breaking ocean swell that
had been focused onto a point that was hidden in dense sea fog. The
resulting giant pyramidal waves were breaking in shallow areas and smashing
into the rocks and cliffs nearby but though they could be heard and felt
they were not that visible due to the dense fog (so that the real danger
could not be accessed clearly). This resulted in a perfect situation for the
imagination to run wild and ramp up the level of fear. The recent crew were
in conditions most of them could handle so likely only one of them feared
for his life during that incident. 

Another similarity was both groups also became separated into two subgroups.
In the Raphael Point incident they mostly separated themselves into those
who were willing to risk a dicy crash landing at nearly any cost to get out
of the fearsome situation at sea quicker and those who were willing to stay
in the scary situation at sea longer in hopes of finding a less frightening
landing opportunity.


Matt Broze
www.marinerkayaks.com  
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] August Sea Kayaker
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:34:58 -0700
Matt Broze wrote:
> Dave Kruger wrote:
>> PS:  Deep Trouble has a great tale in it of another multiple-paddler
>> incident, off Flores in Clayoquot Sound, I think, in which one of the 
>> principals is either Gronseth or Broze (they don't let on which one). 
>> You're in good company, Rob!

> Actually neither George nor I was there at the time. I'm not sure George
> was even a paddler yet then. Although I had paddled in the area of the
> incident previously so had a little experience with it (and chose not to
> try to round the point that day based on those more benign and more
> visible conditions), I wrote the article after interviewing most of the
> dozen or so participants who got together with me to review the incident
> so their stories could be told as a warning to other sea kayakers.

Thanks for clearing that up, Matt.  I wonder what made me think one of you 
was there.

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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