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From: Tord S. Eriksson <tord_at_mindless.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Candian entry .....
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:15:59 -0500
Brad wrote: "h) Above all, never attempt a crossing with a beard and sunglasses."

Well, I did that and had no problem, either leaving or coming back to the US,
except the thing with the car, not being ours, and having no proof that we 
borrowed it the owner willing!

Tord




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From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Candian entry .....
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:01:07 -0700
I like to have electrical wires sticking into my PFD foam with a hand
detonator on the other end.
It always gets a laugh!

-----Original Message-----


Brad wrote: "h) Above all, never attempt a crossing with a beard and
sunglasses."
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From: Brad Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Candian entry .....
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:52:33 -0700
Maybe we should add

i) If you cross the border with a borrowed car, make sure
   the meth lab has been removed from the trunk.


Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Candian entry .....Mark wrote in all 
seriousness...


>I like to have electrical wires sticking into my PFD foam with a hand
> detonator on the other end.
> It always gets a laugh!
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> Brad wrote: "h) Above all, never attempt a crossing with a beard and
> sunglasses."
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From: Hal <hal.11_at_comcast.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Candian entry .....
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:57:27 -0400
I recently flew from NH to small airport in Quebec by a private company 
plane  We were met by 2 very overzealous customs agents.  All 6 of us were 
interviewed and screened.  2 in our group were detained because they had a 
prior record.  One was a 25 year old DWI the other was a 10 year old DWI. 
They made them each pay a $200 fee to allow them entry. The process at the 
airport took almost 2 hours.   We should have left them sitting there.
Hal
"Power your boat with carbohydrates not hydrocarbons" 
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Candian entry .....
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:18:59 -0700
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Hal <hal.11_at_comcast.net> wrote:

> I recently flew from NH to small airport in Quebec by a private company
> plane  We were met by 2 very overzealous customs agents.  All 6 of us were
> interviewed and screened.  2 in our group were detained because they had a
> prior record.  One was a 25 year old DWI the other was a 10 year old DWI.
> They made them each pay a $200 fee to allow them entry. The process at the
> airport took almost 2 hours.   We should have left them sitting there.


Canada has been sensitive to DUI offenders for at least 15 years. My wife
and I took a company-paid excusion on the passenger ferry from Seattle to
Victoria in 1992 along with another 50 employees and contractors. Three of
them were refused entry and had to depart on the next ferry for the USA.
Their offenses were also DUI. The got back into the USA with no problem;
after all, legally they had never actually left.

Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: Richard Culpeper <culpeper_at_tbaytel.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Candian entry .....
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:24:33 -0400
So there you are, Arlo, sitting on the Group W bench.  "Son, have you
rehabilitated yourself?"

Convictions for what would be minor offences in Canada will not prevent
entry into Canada, but convictions for what could be serious offences will
prevent entry into Canada, unless a person is rehabilitated.

What's minor and what is major?  Americans work along the lines of
misdemeanors and felonies, whereas Canadians work along the lines of summary
offences and indictable offences.  Many offences in Canada can be prosecuted
as either summary or indictable offences, depending on the discretion of the
prosecutor - we call these hybrid offences.  Many of the offences dealing
with drinking and driving are hybrid offences, meaning that the prosecutor
can decide whether to treat them as minor or serious offences.

When an American is convicted of DUI/DWI, even if it is only a misdemeanor,
the Canadian Immigration folks will consider how the same matter would be
treated under Canadian law.  Since under Canadian law the matter would be a
hybrid offence, then even although it probably would only result in a
summary offence fine, it is possible for the matter to have been an
indictable offence, and if it is possible for the matter to have been an
indictable offence, then the person is denied entry unless rehabilitated.
That's how a minor ticket for DUI/DWI can stop an American at the border.

How can an American rehabilitate him/herself?  First, vote Democrat.
Second, have a clean record for the last five years.  Third, if you are
feeling lucky, turn up at the border and have a chat with the immigration
officer, who if he or she thinks that you are a decent enough person, can
deem you to have been rehabilitated.  Yes, there is a fee for this process.

A better approach is to prepare before you cross the border.  This involves
having a clean record for the last five years, producing the court documents
concerning your charge, conviction, sentencing, and release/parole, and
paying a processing fee.  Note that the processing time is usually several
months, and sometimes up to a year.  So wet the nib of your pen, use the
back of the father raper on the bench in front of you to as a writing
platform, and get filling out your rehabilitation forms: 

.	Guide [IMM 5312]
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/guides/5312E.PDF

.	Application for Criminal Rehabilitation [IMM 1444]
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM1444E.PDF

.	Fees for Immigration Services, Approval of Rehabilitation [IMM 5310]
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5310B.PDF

.	Document Checklist [IMM 5507]
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5507E.PDF

.	Use of a Representative [IMM 5476]
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5476E.PDF

Finally, and in all seriousness, never, ever, under any circumstances, lie
or misconstrue the facts to an immigration officer.  If you do, your goose
is cooked as far as trying to get rehabilitated goes, and you could end up
in very hot water without a PFD.  Just play it straight down the line.
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Candian entry .....
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:44:18 -0700
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Richard Culpeper <culpeper_at_tbaytel.net>
wrote:

>
> How can an American rehabilitate him/herself?  First, vote Democrat.
>
> Well... this certainly made my day. :)

Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Candian entry .....
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:07:59 -0700
Yes, all sins will be absolved with a vote for Obama! Hallelujah!


-----Original Message-----

> How can an American rehabilitate him/herself?  First, vote Democrat.
>
> Well... this certainly made my day. :)

Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: Jackie Myers <jackie_at_muddypuppies.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Candian entry .....
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:23:05 -0700
Richard Culpeper wrote:

>That's how a minor ticket for DUI/DWI can stop an American at the border.
>
>  
>

We just returned from a cruise to Alaska which included a stop in 
Victoria.  (This was my first cruise and I've confirmed what I 
suspected... I'm not the "cruising" type).   I didn't notice anyone 
having difficulty getting into Canada and, with some cruise ships having 
the reputation for a lot of partying, I'm wondering if DUI or DWI is 
handled differently with those coming by way of cruise lines.  As 
neither of us has a record, I can't confirm cruise exits are handled 
differently.  But it was very easy to get into Canada from a cruise ship.

btw, the one benefit I got from the cruise is that I saw lots of places 
I want to revisit to spend more time and kayak/camp/explore in Alaska.   
Just not from a boat with a population that ranges in the thousands.

Jackie
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From: Richard Culpeper <culpeper_at_tbaytel.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Candian entry .....
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:01:07 -0400
I could ask my neighbour, who runs one of the border crossings, but she left
yesterday for two week paddle on the BC coast.

The laws is the same regardless of method of entry, but I wouldn't be
surprised if things are more relaxed for cruise passengers -- just a guess
on my part, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie Myers [mailto:jackie_at_muddypuppies.com]

 I'm wondering if DUI or DWI is 
handled differently with those coming by way of cruise lines
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From: Jackie Myers <jackie_at_muddypuppies.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Candian entry .....
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:47:25 -0700
Bob informed me that the cruise line checks out its guests when they 
sign up for the cruise.  So, mystery solved.


Jackie


Richard Culpeper wrote:

>I could ask my neighbour, who runs one of the border crossings, but she left
>yesterday for two week paddle on the BC coast.
>
>The laws is the same regardless of method of entry, but I wouldn't be
>surprised if things are more relaxed for cruise passengers -- just a guess
>on my part, though.
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Candian entry .....
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:33:05 -0700
> The laws is the same regardless of method of entry, but I wouldn't be
> surprised if things are more relaxed for cruise passengers -- 

No they're not the same. At the current time, the US requires a passport
only for passengers entering from Canada by air. Car and boat travel does
not require a passport from Canada or Mexico until Feb 2009.

Steve Holtzman
Packing to leave for Tadoussac, Canada in a few hours to whale watch in the
St Lawrence Seaway by kayak.
 

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From: Darryl <Darryl.Johnson_at_sympatico.ca>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Candian entry .....
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:13:35 -0400
> > The laws is the same regardless of method of entry, but I wouldn't
> be
> > surprised if things are more relaxed for cruise passengers -- 
> 
> No they're not the same. At the current time, the US requires a
> passport
> only for passengers entering from Canada by air. Car and boat travel
> does
> not require a passport from Canada or Mexico until Feb 2009.
> 
> Steve Holtzman
> Packing to leave for Tadoussac, Canada in a few hours to whale watch
> in the
> St Lawrence Seaway by kayak.
>  

I'm off to the Tadoussac area myself, but not until September.

If you have transportation, try going further east along the north 
shore to the town of Les Escoumins. We've had great luck just 
floating around in the bay and having whales come up within 50 feet 
of us.

Have a great trip.

-- 
  Darryl
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From: Jackie Myers <jackie_at_muddypuppies.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Candian entry .....
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:33:41 -0700
The news is all beside itself over the siting of a blue whale off 
Huntington Beach today.

Blue Whales Return To Coast For Third Summer To Feed
http://www.gazettes.com/whales07172008.html

jackie




Darryl wrote:

>>
>>Packing to leave for Tadoussac, Canada in a few hours to whale watch
>>in the
>>St Lawrence Seaway by kayak.
>> 
>>    
>>
>
>I'm off to the Tadoussac area myself, but not until September.
>
>If you have transportation, try going further east along the north 
>shore to the town of Les Escoumins. We've had great luck just 
>floating around in the bay and having whales come up within 50 feet 
>of us.
>
>Have a great trip.
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From: Richard Culpeper <culpeper_at_tbaytel.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Candian entry .....
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:02:51 -0400
I was referring to entry into Canada, not entry into the USA.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net
[mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net] On Behalf Of Steve Holtzman> The
laws is the same regardless of method of entry, but I wouldn't be
> surprised if things are more relaxed for cruise passengers -- 

No they're not the same. At the current time, the US requires a passport
only for passengers entering from Canada by air. Car and boat travel does
not require a passport from Canada or Mexico until Feb 2009.
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