Last night I almost got myself into serious trouble within 100 feet of my own dock. Here's the story. After sitting on the sofa most of the evening watching television I decided that I should stop wasting the long evenings we are blessed with here and go outside and do something. I thought of a few things to do including moving my butt up to our new "observation deck" where the view of the lake is much improved and one is comfortably above any stray mosquitoes. I ended up deciding to take a paddle around our end of the lake. When I paddle I always wear footwear designed for paddling because I have... well... big feet and the only kayaks I own that are made for people with big feet are not easy to get to from the lake house. One (the Mariner Escape) is stashed on Whidbey Island along with a PFD, a paddle and a spray deck just in case I find myself over there without a boat to paddle up the creek in and the other is on the top deck of the storage rack my wife finally built for me this spring. Which, you'll admit, was sweet of her. But the Nimbus Telkwa HV was on the top of it and it's heavy and... well, I actually never even considered it. What I did was put on tennis shoes. This was not a good idea. Once into the Mariner Express I noticed that my feet were not in a good position. In fact, one foot was not able to get onto the foot peg. I figured that was no big deal as I was just going to paddle around for 30 minutes and it was, after all, as calm as a... uh... lake out there. Not a ripple. No powerboats. No wind. So I secured my spray deck, grabbed my paddle, and started off. I usually edge the Mariner boats aggressively to get them turning and so I put the Express on a nice starboard edge to make a sharp turn to port in order to head in the direction I wanted to paddle. I remember noticing that my edging wasn't as good as it usually was due to the way my feet were arranged somewhere under the foredeck of the Express and just about then I caught a crab with my paddle and capsized. My first reaction was shock. I literally cannot remember the last time I capsized in a sea kayak without doing it intentionally. Then I noticed that I had dropped my paddle so I dog paddled to the surface to get a breath of air (still with the spray deck attached). Unfortunately, I got half a breath of air and half a breath of water and the cough reflex was so strong that I went back under and then decided to swim out. I pulled the toggle on the spray deck and pushed out and .... stopped. One or both of my feet were entangled in the foot pegs and didn't want to come out at the angle I was pushing. I kicked and pulled and pushed and finally one tennis shoe came off and I popped to the surface. It took me a few minutes of coughing and hacking to get to where I could tow the boat back to the dock where my wife had just started to launch a rescue boat (the dogs had barked loudly enough to get her to come outside to see what was up). I told my wife that I only had one tennis shoe on when I got onto the swim ladder but we couldn't see any sign of a shoe floating out on the lake. When we turned the Express over one tennis shoe came floating slowly like a white ghost out of the cockpit. This morning I am still coughing up stuff that tastes like lake water. And I slept 11 hours. But it's a good lesson. If anything feels uncomfortable or "not right" it's time to correct it. All I had to do was change into paddling shoes and my 30 minute paddle on the lake would have been just that. Putting those tennis shoes on could have killed me. Little things like that make a big difference. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
And YOU gave ME a hard time for paddling a new kayak for the first time in Deception Pass by myself in 5-6 foot swells as the tide changed? With a surf launch and landing which I had not done before? ARE YOU NUTS? At least when you are with me, you know the edges of paranoia have been met and all the safety equipment I can carry is along (and some you carry, too!) I'm telling Sue to throw out all your tennis shoes. AND I HOPE that you have given up on those leather logging style boots you used to wear in the kayak! You would have been toast in those as they NEVER would have come off! By the way, why didn't you just adjust the foot braces to start? Oh, yeah, this is the Express with the sliding seat and have to go through a big procedure to readjust foot braces, since they are part of sliding seat mechanism. DON'T DO IT AGAIN! Pam in Washington State (rolling now, though not well) In a message dated 8/2/2008 10:11:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, crjungers_at_gmail.com writes: Once into the Mariner Express I noticed that my feet were not in a good position. In fact, one foot was not able to get onto the foot peg. I figured that was no big deal as I was just going to paddle around for 30 minutes and it was, after all, as calm as a... uh... lake out there. Not a ripple. No powerboats. No wind. So I secured my spray deck, grabbed my paddle, and started off. I usually edge the Mariner boats aggressively to get them turning and so I put the Express on a nice starboard edge to make a sharp turn to port in order to head in the direction I wanted to paddle. I remember noticing that my edging wasn't as good as it usually was due to the way my feet were arranged somewhere under the foredeck of the Express and just about then I caught a crab with my paddle and capsized. My first reaction was shock. I literally cannot remember the last time I capsized in a sea kayak without doing it intentionally. Then I noticed that I had dropped my paddle so I dog paddled to the surface to get a breath of air (still with the spray deck attached). Unfortunately, I got half a breath of air and half a breath of water and the cough reflex was so strong that I went back under and then decided to swim out. I pulled the toggle on the spray deck and pushed out and .... stopped. One or both of my feet were entangled in the foot pegs and didn't want to come out at the angle I was pushing. I kicked and pulled and pushed and finally one tennis shoe came off and I popped to the surface. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Ya... well what I did (wear tennis shoes in a kayak) wasn't quite so obviously stupid as taking a trip to Deception Pass in a boat I've never paddled before. :P Craig :) On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:40 AM, <Pamvetdr_at_aol.com> wrote: > And YOU gave ME a hard time for paddling a new kayak for the first time > in Deception Pass by myself in 5-6 foot swells as the tide changed? With a > surf launch and landing which I had not done before? > ARE YOU NUTS? > At least when you are with me, you know the edges of paranoia have been > met and all the safety equipment I can carry is along (and some you carry, > too!) > I'm telling Sue to throw out all your tennis shoes. > AND I HOPE that you have given up on those leather logging style boots > you used to wear in the kayak! You would have been toast in those as they > NEVER would have come off! > > By the way, why didn't you just adjust the foot braces to start? Oh, > yeah, this is the Express with the sliding seat and have to go through a big > procedure to readjust foot braces, since they are part of sliding seat > mechanism. > > DON'T DO IT AGAIN! > Pam in Washington State (rolling now, though not well) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Craig: Glad you lived to tell the tale. As you have discovered empirically, tennis shoes are for tennis and guys like John McEnroe. Leather logging boots are for, oh you know, decimating forests. I can't wait to hear about your next adventure! But please, don't paddle alone if you're going to perform more cool stunts. We need to have witnesses and rescue personnel on hand. Any idea what you are going to do next? Brad Quoting Pamvetdr_at_aol.com: > ARE YOU NUTS? > At least when you are with me, you know the edges of paranoia have been > met and all the safety equipment I can carry is along (and some you > carry, too!) > I'm telling Sue to throw out all your tennis shoes. > AND I HOPE that you have given up on those leather logging style boots > you used to wear in the kayak! You would have been toast in those as > they NEVER > would have come off! > > DON'T DO IT AGAIN! > Pam in Washington State (rolling now, though not well) > > > > > In a message dated 8/2/2008 10:11:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > crjungers_at_gmail.com writes: > > Once into the Mariner Express I noticed that my feet were not in a good > position. In fact, one foot was not able to get onto the foot peg. I figured > that was no big deal as I was just going to paddle around for 30 minutes and > it was, after all, as calm as a... uh... lake out there. Not a ripple. No > powerboats. No wind. So I secured my spray deck, grabbed my paddle, and > started off. > > I usually edge the Mariner boats aggressively to get them turning and so I > put the Express on a nice starboard edge to make a sharp turn to port in > order to head in the direction I wanted to paddle. I remember noticing that > my edging wasn't as good as it usually was due to the way my feet were > arranged somewhere under the foredeck of the Express and just about then I > caught a crab with my paddle and capsized. > > My first reaction was shock. I literally cannot remember the last time I > capsized in a sea kayak without doing it intentionally. Then I noticed that > I had dropped my paddle so I dog paddled to the surface to get a breath of > air (still with the spray deck attached). Unfortunately, I got half a breath > of air and half a breath of water and the cough reflex was so strong that I > went back under and then decided to swim out. > > I pulled the toggle on the spray deck and pushed out and .... stopped. One > or both of my feet were entangled in the foot pegs and didn't want to come > out at the angle I was pushing. I kicked and pulled and pushed and finally > one tennis shoe came off and I popped to the surface. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Last night I almost got myself into serious trouble within 100 feet > of my > own dock. Here's the story. > <snip> > If anything feels uncomfortable or "not right" it's time to correct > it. All > I had to do was change into paddling shoes and my 30 minute paddle > on the > lake would have been just that. Putting those tennis shoes on could > have > killed me. Little things like that make a big difference. > > > Craig Jungers > Moses Lake, WA The kind of story that ought to be repeated at five-minute intervals for all of us. (Maybe not all, but certainly for me and my friends.) Perhaps we could affix a plaque in garish neon colours to our boats that reads something like: "Little mistakes can kill ya!" or "There are no 'little' mistakes!" -- Darryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Darryl <Darryl.Johnson_at_sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > The kind of story that ought to be repeated at five-minute intervals > for all of us. (Maybe not all, but certainly for me and my friends.) > > Perhaps we could affix a plaque in garish neon colours to our boats > that reads something like: "Little mistakes can kill ya!" or "There > are no 'little' mistakes!" > Little mistakes and complacency. Remember that this all took place within 100 feet of my home where I paddle 4 or 5 times a week all summer long. In Puget Sound I would have never considered tennis shoes (or anything other than my paddling shoes). But the mindset was a quick paddle, back in 30 minutes. It's often not the obviously dangerous places that kill you because you prepare for those (if you're smart, at least). It's the places that lull you into not even thinking about any danger that you have to be doubly on your toes. For me, entrapment has always been one of the scariest dangers in kayaking. I just didn't recognize the signs that, in retrospect, should have been obvious. On the plus side, I'm pretty sure I can do a hand roll now. That's something I'm going to practice. :) Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Well, in the end, I got away with it and you ... barely got away with it. And among the reasons I was fine, was because I was carrying all the safety gear I had, people were watching from the bridge if I capsized and couldn't self rescue, and I had paddled a very similar model for three years. There was about a 60 second learning curve on my new Express. So, it was obviously stupid, but not as bad an idea as what you casually decided to do. I considered risks before I started. You apparently avoided thinking before you paddled. And, frankly, you are too intelligent to do stuff like this. So, don't drown, and I will buy you a pair of paddling shoes. Just not those tall boot like ones you want. Pam in Washington State Ya... well what I did (wear tennis shoes in a kayak) wasn't quite so obviously stupid as taking a trip to Deception Pass in a boat I've never paddled before. :P Craig :) On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:40 AM, <Pamvetdr_at_aol.com> wrote: > And YOU gave ME a hard time for paddling a new kayak for the first time > in Deception Pass by myself in 5-6 foot swells as the tide changed? With a > surf launch and landing which I had not done before? > ARE YOU NUTS? **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com> wrote Last night I almost got myself into serious trouble within 100 feet of my own dock. Here's the story. ...snip ... It is at this point i mention the book i'm reading by Laurence Gonzales, Deep Suirvival. Yes he does speak of kayak, rafting, mountaineering (Mt Hood et al). Places near and dear to me and others. The book examines and discusses accidents: how and why insightfully. The discussion has confirmed many of my gut reactions. And does mention "if something does not feel right" situations. Recommend the book for all you adventures...may be even more important as i (we) mature, hopefully with out incident. It has been an enjoyable read and a reminder "it will happen" just make sure it isn't you. Glad you came out of it alright Craig. Well wishes, safe and happy paddling. Regards, John Santa Rosa, CA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
That's funny - I was just at the lake recently practicing egress from entrapment scenarios, thinking I was a bit over the top with the what ifs. My official entrapment backup plan for near mishaps includes dog paddling the kayak sideways to the dock or beach if necessary. Though I've never had issues with shoewear, though I've written about those who have. I'll keep your incident in my records now too. Thanks Craig. But, please don't die - you are one of my gavotte greybeards. :-) Darryl wrote: > >> >> >> The kind of story that ought to be repeated at five-minute intervals >> for all of us. (Maybe not all, but certainly for me and my friends.) >> >> Perhaps we could affix a plaque in garish neon colours to our boats >> that reads something like: "Little mistakes can kill ya!" or "There >> are no 'little' mistakes!" >> Craig wrote: > > Little mistakes and complacency. Remember that this all took place within > 100 feet of my home where I paddle 4 or 5 times a week all summer long. In > Puget Sound I would have never considered tennis shoes (or anything other > than my paddling shoes). But the mindset was a quick paddle, back in 30 > minutes. > > It's often not the obviously dangerous places that kill you because you > prepare for those (if you're smart, at least). It's the places that lull > you > into not even thinking about any danger that you have to be doubly on your > toes. For me, entrapment has always been one of the scariest dangers in > kayaking. I just didn't recognize the signs that, in retrospect, should > have > been obvious. > > On the plus side, I'm pretty sure I can do a hand roll now. That's > something > I'm going to practice. :) > > > Craig Jungers > Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I bought a Kokatat combination inflatable/foam PFD with CO2 cartridges because I was thinking about exiting problems but was not wearing it. I actually picked it up and said to myself, "Nahhh... I won't need this tonight." The combination PFD gives 23lbs of flotation versus 18 on a normal PFD and could make the difference when trying to dog paddle up for air. However, it's only 13lbs without the chambers being filled so you would have to be careful using it without inflation (although you can inflate it through a tube too... not so easy if you can't breathe). Complacency kills. I've known that for years from rock climbing, sailing, and flying gliders. But still, one does get complacent in very familiar surroundings. Good lesson to learn. And I'm not planning on dying until Doug gets a mutha-ship too. :P Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > That's funny - I was just at the lake recently practicing egress from > entrapment scenarios, thinking I was a bit over the top with the what ifs. > > My official entrapment backup plan for near mishaps includes dog paddling > the kayak sideways to the dock or beach if necessary. Though I've never had > issues with shoewear, though I've written about those who have. I'll keep > your incident in my records now too. Thanks Craig. But, please don't die - > you are one of my gavotte greybeards. :-) > > Darryl wrote: > >> >> >>> >>> The kind of story that ought to be repeated at five-minute intervals >>> for all of us. (Maybe not all, but certainly for me and my friends.) >>> >>> Perhaps we could affix a plaque in garish neon colours to our boats >>> that reads something like: "Little mistakes can kill ya!" or "There >>> are no 'little' mistakes!" >>> >>> > Craig wrote: > >> >> Little mistakes and complacency. Remember that this all took place within >> 100 feet of my home where I paddle 4 or 5 times a week all summer long. In >> Puget Sound I would have never considered tennis shoes (or anything other >> than my paddling shoes). But the mindset was a quick paddle, back in 30 >> minutes. >> >> It's often not the obviously dangerous places that kill you because you >> prepare for those (if you're smart, at least). It's the places that lull >> you >> into not even thinking about any danger that you have to be doubly on your >> toes. For me, entrapment has always been one of the scariest dangers in >> kayaking. I just didn't recognize the signs that, in retrospect, should >> have >> been obvious. >> >> On the plus side, I'm pretty sure I can do a hand roll now. That's >> something >> I'm going to practice. :) >> >> >> Craig Jungers >> Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
One of your big Mariner kayaks would classify as a mutha-ship to me. :-) Glad you told us about the incident too. Gives some veracity to us monomaniacs who try to tell folks the sky is falling. Oh yeah, don't forget Rule 47. Doug Lloyd (still looking for the perfect wind-cheater kayak with some room for lace-up Mukluks - but not tennis shoes) ----- I bought a Kokatat combination inflatable/foam PFD with CO2 cartridges because I was thinking about exiting problems but was not wearing it. I actually picked it up and said to myself, "Nahhh... I won't need this tonight." The combination PFD gives 23lbs of flotation versus 18 on a normal PFD and could make the difference when trying to dog paddle up for air. However, it's only 13lbs without the chambers being filled so you would have to be careful using it without inflation (although you can inflate it through a tube too... not so easy if you can't breathe). Complacency kills. I've known that for years from rock climbing, sailing, and flying gliders. But still, one does get complacent in very familiar surroundings. Good lesson to learn. And I'm not planning on dying until Doug gets a mutha-ship too. :P Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: That's funny - I was just at the lake recently practicing egress from entrapment scenarios, thinking I was a bit over the top with the what ifs. My official entrapment backup plan for near mishaps includes dog paddling the kayak sideways to the dock or beach if necessary. Though I've never had issues with shoewear, though I've written about those who have. I'll keep your incident in my records now too. Thanks Craig. But, please don't die - you are one of my gavotte greybeards. :-) Darryl wrote: The kind of story that ought to be repeated at five-minute intervals for all of us. (Maybe not all, but certainly for me and my friends.) Perhaps we could affix a plaque in garish neon colours to our boats that reads something like: "Little mistakes can kill ya!" or "There are no 'little' mistakes!" Craig wrote: Little mistakes and complacency. Remember that this all took place within 100 feet of my home where I paddle 4 or 5 times a week all summer long. In Puget Sound I would have never considered tennis shoes (or anything other than my paddling shoes). But the mindset was a quick paddle, back in 30 minutes. It's often not the obviously dangerous places that kill you because you prepare for those (if you're smart, at least). It's the places that lull you into not even thinking about any danger that you have to be doubly on your toes. For me, entrapment has always been one of the scariest dangers in kayaking. I just didn't recognize the signs that, in retrospect, should have been obvious. On the plus side, I'm pretty sure I can do a hand roll now. That's something I'm going to practice. :) Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > > BTW, Rule 47 (I have 50) is one just right for you: > > #47. He who dies in his toys doesn't win. > > Note the "in" part :-) > There should be a #47(a): Unless he still has more toys than anyone else; cuz even people with toys gotta go sometime. BTW... the only "big" Mariner is the Escape. All the rest are pretty narrow and all, including the Escape, are playful. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Okay, unfare comparison on the Escape. How about the Telkwa then? :-) Gotta run...looks like an awesome weekend for Tevas. :-) Wish BC a happy 150th. Glad I live here. Have a great day on your Old Testament lake. Be safe. And careful - your Telkwa might part the water if you try seal launching off your dock. On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: BTW, Rule 47 (I have 50) is one just right for you: #47. He who dies in his toys doesn't win. Note the "in" part :-) There should be a #47(a): Unless he still has more toys than anyone else; cuz even people with toys gotta go sometime. BTW... the only "big" Mariner is the Escape. All the rest are pretty narrow and all, including the Escape, are playful. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Oops, sorry Craig, forgot the 11th Commandment: "Thou shalt not make fun of thy neighbour's kayak." DL > Okay, unfare comparison on the Escape. How about the Telkwa then? :-) > > Gotta run...looks like an awesome weekend for Tevas. :-) > > Wish BC a happy 150th. Glad I live here. > > Have a great day on your Old Testament lake. Be safe. And careful - your > Telkwa might part the water if you try seal launching off your dock. > > > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > > > BTW, Rule 47 (I have 50) is one just right for you: > > #47. He who dies in his toys doesn't win. > > Note the "in" part :-) > > > There should be a #47(a): Unless he still has more toys than anyone else; > cuz even people with toys gotta go sometime. > > BTW... the only "big" Mariner is the Escape. All the rest are pretty > narrow > and all, including the Escape, are playful. > > Craig Jungers > Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > Oops, sorry Craig, forgot the 11th Commandment: "Thou shalt not make fun of > thy neighbour's kayak." > > But you can ridicule buying too many of them all you want. :P Craig *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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