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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on?
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:37:36 -0700
Hello? (tap tap) Is this thing on? Or has everyone just gone out paddling?

Craig
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From: rebyl_kayak <rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on? - Tether
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:36:57 +1000
G'Day Craig,

Been paddling the last three days.

Re Freya's PFD - It can be very hard for people used to cold climates to
paddle in the heat of Northern Queensland so Freya was leaving her PFD on the
back deck. It got washed off at some stage but not by the large wave that hit
her near Bowen. The latter might have taken her by surprise because the
barrier reef tends to protect against bigger swell and it would be typical to
just get one meter wind waves with a 20 knot wind.

I'm a tether afficionado for solo paddling at sea and Doug's sea kayaker
article was my guide. Strikes me a kayak would make a nice big PFD if you were
using a tether and didn't have one. Although I wouldn't paddle anywhere
without wearing a PFD and I only use a tether on rare occasions when solo out
at sea.

All the best, PeterO






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Sent: Mon 30/03/2009 12:37 AM
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Subject: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on?



Hello? (tap tap) Is this thing on? Or has everyone just gone out paddling?

Craig
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on? - Tether
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:53:24 -0700
Hi Peter,

I can understand leaving a PFD off in the heat. I've done the same thing
here on the lake. Never out on salt water though but I can sure identify
with the temptation.

Doug's articles and posts are certainly valuable resources. I want to be
just like him when I grow up. Not that there is much chance of me growing
up, mind you.  :P

I've been busy re-bedding all the stancions and cleats on the muthah-ship in
preparation for taking her over to her covered slip in Oak Harbor,
Washington; just 15 miles or so from Deception Pass. It's handy to have a
muthah-ship on a trailer but it sure gets hard standing on a ladder for a
couple of hours a day.

Wish I could spend 3 days paddling. I'd be off like a shot if the weather
had been a bit better. Pam had 3 inches of snow at her place this morning
(near Seattle). Where is global warming when you need it?

Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:36 PM, rebyl_kayak <
rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com> wrote:

>  G'Day Craig,
>
> Been paddling the last three days.
>
> Re Freya's PFD - It can be very hard for people used to cold climates
> to paddle in the heat of Northern Queensland so Freya was leaving her PFD on
> the back deck. It got washed off at some stage but not by the large wave
> that hit her near Bowen. The latter might have taken her by surprise because
> the barrier reef tends to protect against bigger swell and it would be
> typical to just get one meter wind waves with a 20 knot wind.
>
> I'm a tether afficionado for solo paddling at sea and Doug's sea kayaker
> article was my guide. Strikes me a kayak would make a nice big PFD if you
> were using a tether and didn't have one. Although I wouldn't paddle anywhere
> without wearing a PFD and I only use a tether on rare occasions when solo
> out at sea.
>
> All the best, PeterO
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on? - Tether
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:36:43 -0700
Tether yourself to your boat only as necessary - which shouldn't be often 
(and only after learning how to stay with your boat after a bail-out without 
a tether).

Tether your PFD to your deck or use a deck net bag - as Cafynn did - for off 
shore paddling in hot climates when you don't want to wear it or "can't."

Freya? She should know better. Then again, in the course of a one year 
paddled one is bound to make a few errors.

What's your backup? (rhetorical)?

Doug Lloyd

> G'Day Craig,
>
> Been paddling the last three days.
>
> Re Freya's PFD - It can be very hard for people used to cold climates to
> paddle in the heat of Northern Queensland so Freya was leaving her PFD on 
> the
> back deck. It got washed off at some stage but not by the large wave that 
> hit
> her near Bowen. The latter might have taken her by surprise because the
> barrier reef tends to protect against bigger swell and it would be typical 
> to
> just get one meter wind waves with a 20 knot wind.
>
> I'm a tether afficionado for solo paddling at sea and Doug's sea kayaker
> article was my guide. Strikes me a kayak would make a nice big PFD if you 
> were
> using a tether and didn't have one. Although I wouldn't paddle anywhere
> without wearing a PFD and I only use a tether on rare occasions when solo 
> out
> at sea.
>
> All the best, PeterO
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on? - Tether
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:32:26 -0700
Scott,

Maybe I missed something but I didn't think there was an issue here on 
paddlewise with the recent posts about Freya not wearing a PFD. It was about 
loosing it. Maybe you mean she doesn't need one at all and only carries one 
in deference to the community so who cares about her loosing it overboard 
when she doesn't really need/want it.

If indeed she doesn't really feel she needs one (let alone wear one), then 
she should be man enough not too take one. I rather suspect there are times 
when she would prefer to have it on or at least readily available. If she is 
far front prying eyes and still feels she wants a PFD nearby or on then you 
are waaay off base, other than espousing your usual views on PFD's (which I 
respect). If she wants to be "legal" by having a PFD and that is the only 
reason, well that is a bigger issue and comes down to regulations and one's 
desire to be a good citizen and all that.

I don't think Paul C wore his much on his circumnavigation and I can't 
remember what circumstances he put his on for. I remember at the symposium 
here in Victoria at U-VIC just after his historic circumnavigation, there 
were a few gasps in the audience when they saw Paul's PFD on deck in a net 
bag - and not on his person. You would have laughed at the muted rancor, 
Scott. :-) I still do these many years later. And I see it is still a bit of 
an issue, I guess.

Regardless, wearing a PFD paddling on a long trip where there is a risk of 
hyperthermia and skin infections, the issue of wearing or notwearing a PFD 
is kind of mute.

Doug Lloyd



>> Re Freya's PFD - It can be very hard for people used to cold climates to
>> paddle in the heat of Northern Queensland so Freya was leaving her PFD on 
>> the
>> back deck.
>
>   Surely Freya has been around the sport long enough to know the 
> alternatives, like the minimalist inflatable pfd's.
>
>> Freya? She should know better. Then again, in the course of a one year 
>> paddled one is bound to make a few errors.
>
>   From what I understand Freya frequently paddles sans pfd on a regular 
> basis, so it's difficult for me to believe that she just made a mistake. 
> Of course Freya is not alone. I know Derek Hutchinson will often jump in a 
> boat without a pfd, and scoff at those who suggest he should put one one 
> on. But then He's just a pompous old fool. But then every picture I have 
> seen of Ed Gillet on his solo trip from California to Hawaii has him 
> without a pfd on. But that's just Ed. Of course from what I understand 
> Maligiaq Padilla never wears a pfd except to humor us North Americans and 
> our local customs. I find it rather humorous that people on this list just 
> can't accept that there are knowledgeable and competent paddlers out there 
> who recognize that at least in the sport of sea kayaking the pfd is not 
> the Holly Grail of safety equipment you all want to believe it is.
>
> Scott
> So.Cal.
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From: <Goffma_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on? - Tether
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 06:07:01 EDT
>I refer you to the following images and correspondence in  the
>expectation that these rather dramatic pictures may change your  opinions on
>the matter.  http://www.nswseakayaker.asn.au/photos/monthly2009/index.htm

>All the  best, PeterO
>1/4/09

A most impressive maneuver!  And she manages to execute it without  moving 
the boat in the slightest.  It must have taken a lot of practice to  get to that 
level of expertise!
 
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From: rebyl_kayak <rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on? - Tether
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:30:35 +1000
Mark wrote
>A most impressive maneuver!  And she manages to execute it without  moving
>the boat in the slightest.  It must have taken a lot of practice to  get to
that
>level of expertise!

G'day Mark

The club's standards are quite high but I think you will find that the boat
moved laterally about a meter - just borderline acceptable according to the
proposed new guidelines.

All the best, PeterO
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on? - Tether
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:56:03 -0700
    I suspect this technique would be improved by coating oneself with 
butter
or margarine or 30-weight motor oil.

Brad

> Scott wrote
>
>>Of course Freya is not alone. I know Derek Hutchinson will often jump in
>>a boat without a pfd, and scoff at those who suggest he should put one on.
>
> G'Day Scott,
>
> This question of just jumping in a boat without a PFD or sometimes even a
> spray skirt has been exercising our wits in Australia for quite some time 
> and
> their has been considerable controversy in Australia over some of the
> techniques being employed to secure these items and when and how they 
> should
> be put on. I refer you to the following images and correspondence in the
> expectation that these rather dramatic pictures may change your opinions 
> on
> the matter. http://www.nswseakayaker.asn.au/photos/monthly2009/index.htm
>
> All the best, PeterO
> 1/4/09
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on? - Tether
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:49:04 -0700
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote:

>   I suspect this technique would be improved by coating oneself with butter
> or margarine or 30-weight motor oil.
>

And by NOT having a kayak with an ocean cockpit!!!

Craig
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From: rebyl_kayak <rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on? - Tether
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:18:23 +1000
Doug wrote semi rhetorically
>Tether yourself to your boat only as necessary - which shouldn't be often
>(and only after learning how to stay with your boat after a bail-out without
>a tether).
>Tether your PFD to your deck or use a deck net bag - as Cafynn did - for off
>shore paddling in hot climates when you don't want to wear it or "can't."
>Freya? She should know better. Then again, in the course of a one year
>paddled one is bound to make a few errors.
>What's your backup? (rhetorical)?


G'Day Doug,

I reckon you exemplified "backup" nicely - circles of protection in priority
order :~)

              - judgement
              - physical skill
              - well selected and maintained equipment
              - in spite of all this strife happens!


It used to be if I was accidentally knocked out of my boat I'd have a good
chance of getting back in. These days if its bad enough to knock me out of my
boat I'd have a very low chance. So on the rare occasions I'm alone at sea a
tether is a counter to risk homeostasis. Hope I never have to rely on it!

Fortunately Freya seems to be a master of dynamic risk analysis and
resourcefulness. Also she might have picked up a new PFD in Mackay or
Townsville.

All the best, PeterO
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From: Scott Hilliard <kiayker_at_sbcglobal.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on? - Tether
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:07:58 -0700
> Re Freya's PFD - It can be very hard for people used to cold climates to
> paddle in the heat of Northern Queensland so Freya was leaving her PFD on the
> back deck.

   Surely Freya has been around the sport long enough to know the 
alternatives, like the minimalist inflatable pfd's.

> Freya? She should know better. Then again, in the course of a one year 
> paddled one is bound to make a few errors.

   From what I understand Freya frequently paddles sans pfd on a regular 
basis, so it's difficult for me to believe that she just made a mistake. 
Of course Freya is not alone. I know Derek Hutchinson will often jump in 
a boat without a pfd, and scoff at those who suggest he should put one 
one on. But then He's just a pompous old fool. But then every picture I 
have seen of Ed Gillet on his solo trip from California to Hawaii has 
him without a pfd on. But that's just Ed. Of course from what I 
understand Maligiaq Padilla never wears a pfd except to humor us North 
Americans and our local customs. I find it rather humorous that people 
on this list just can't accept that there are knowledgeable and 
competent paddlers out there who recognize that at least in the sport of 
sea kayaking the pfd is not the Holly Grail of safety equipment you all 
want to believe it is.

Scott
So.Cal.
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From: rebyl_kayak <rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on? - Tether
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:54:49 +1000
Scott wrote

>Of course Freya is not alone. I know Derek Hutchinson will often jump in
>a boat without a pfd, and scoff at those who suggest he should put one on.

G'Day Scott,

This question of just jumping in a boat without a PFD or sometimes even a
spray skirt has been exercising our wits in Australia for quite some time and
their has been considerable controversy in Australia over some of the
techniques being employed to secure these items and when and how they should
be put on. I refer you to the following images and correspondence in the
expectation that these rather dramatic pictures may change your opinions on
the matter. http://www.nswseakayaker.asn.au/photos/monthly2009/index.htm

All the best, PeterO
1/4/09
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From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on? - Tether
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 06:52:23 -0700
Peter,

She's obviously a newbie. Even the most basic kayaking class here in the
States would have you doing this maneuver in the pike position!

M

-----Original Message-----


This question of just jumping in a boat without a PFD or sometimes even a
spray skirt has been exercising our wits in Australia for quite some time
and
their has been considerable controversy in Australia over some of the
techniques being employed to secure these items and when and how they should
be put on. I refer you to the following images and correspondence in the
expectation that these rather dramatic pictures may change your opinions on
the matter. http://www.nswseakayaker.asn.au/photos/monthly2009/index.htm

All the best, PeterO
1/4/09
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on? - Tether
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 07:17:58 -0700
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:54 AM, rebyl_kayak <rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com
> wrote:

>
> This question of just jumping in a boat without a PFD or sometimes even a
> spray skirt...


I often post with tongue in cheek.... but I'm afraid this maneuver would put
the entire kayak in cheek. I do like the classy paddle position however.

Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: rebyl_kayak <rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on? - Tether
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:58:43 +1000
For anyone having trouble with the photos in the "full story" link just click
on each of the small photo's in turn and the large one beneath changes to
match ,

All the best, PeterO

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From: rebyl_kayak
Sent: Wed 1/04/2009 7:54 PM
To: Scott Hilliard; Paddlewise
Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on? - Tether


Scott wrote

>Of course Freya is not alone. I know Derek Hutchinson will often jump in
>a boat without a pfd, and scoff at those who suggest he should put one on.

G'Day Scott,

This question of just jumping in a boat without a PFD or sometimes even a
spray skirt has been exercising our wits in Australia for quite some time and
their has been considerable controversy in Australia over some of the
techniques being employed to secure these items and when and how they should
be put on. I refer you to the following images and correspondence in the
expectation that these rather dramatic pictures may change your opinions on
the matter. http://www.nswseakayaker.asn.au/photos/monthly2009/index.htm

All the best, PeterO
1/4/09
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From: Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on?
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:10:35 -0400
The latter for me. Just got back from Upper Amicolola Creek in north 
Georgia. Nothing above Class II+, but a very entertaining water level. 
Didn't play too much, because the air temp was ~42F, water temp was 
probably high 40's and I really didn't want to get upside down. I'm 
kinda puny that way.

Craig Jungers wrote:
> Hello? (tap tap) Is this thing on? Or has everyone just gone out paddling?

-- 
Steve Cramer
Athens, GA
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From: Gary Jacek <Gary.Jacek_at_telus.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on?
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:13:47 -0800
Out doing a SISKA currents clinic today.  Sunshine, moving water, a bit of
wind.  Who could ask for more?

Gary
Victoria, BC


>Hello? (tap tap) Is this thing on? Or has everyone just gone out paddling?

>Craig
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From: Kirk Olsen <kork4_at_cluemail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on?
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:33:37 -0400
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:37:36 -0700, "Craig Jungers"
<crjungers_at_gmail.com> said:
> Hello? (tap tap) Is this thing on? Or has everyone just gone out
> paddling?

The crew I paddle with meets saturday and sunday at 10.  This being
early season we're only in shape to paddle about 2 hours.

Two of the guys had new boats so they were a bit tentative about
conditions.  One guy had a Huki S1-X special, weighing in at 25 pounds. 
The other hasn't decided what to get so this week was the rental of a
Think Legend (which was the fairly heavy fiberglass layup at 36 pounds).

The legend is interesting in that the rear portion of the boat has hard
chines.  One of the guys said the legend felt like his Greenlander Pro,
just less stable.

The wind was blowing out of the east, south east.  This is a good
direction for paddling from Lynch Park in Beverly Massachusetts to
Peaches point in Marblehead and back.  We started out by crossing the
river and then heading across Salem willows.  As we went around Juniper
point the guy in the legend wasn't happy with the beam waves and the
mild chaos of refractory waves coming off of the point, he was paddling
with short stability strokes only putting half a blade in the water. 
Eventually we got across salem harbor over to Marblehead and headed up
the coast.  Looking out toward the islands we spotted the early shift
paddlers, the trio looked to be riding the following seas very well as
they past Coney Island - some of the time the boat bows were elevated so
it wasn't all clean runs...  

The Think Legend was very stable going into or with the waves, but
twitchy in beam conditions.  Bill, paddling the Legend, decided he would
rather stick close to shore and suffer the refractory waves than paddle
off shore, get a downwind run, and have the risks of being offshore.  We
split up.  2 people paddled the shore back.  3 of us paddled a bit
further upwind, off peaches point, then headed straight for Salem
Willows.  We got a pleasant downwind run, scattered whitecaps with
nicely rideable small waves.  The guy on his new S1-X special backed off
when his heart rate monitor beeped at him when he hit 185 bpm trying to
link some waves together...   

We ended up paddling to the beach behind the Jubilee Yacht club where I
switched with the Think Legend paddler.  He was right, the boat was
quite twitchy in beam conditions and comfortable going into or against
the waves.  I tried riding it into the beach and was a bit disappointed
I can pull my boat up over a wave if the wave crest is at my feet.  I
don't know if it was the hull shape, or the heavier layup but I wasn't
able to get the legend up over a wave.  I went back to the beach, took
out the s1-x special and did the same downwind run back to the beach. 
The S1-X special felt smoother in the beam waves and I was able to pull
it up over a couple of waves when I outran the wave that I was on.   All
boats a a matter of personal preference.  Mike C. found his new S1-X
special very comfortable.  Bill K. didn't care for the Legend or the
S1-X Special.  

Paddling into the beach the nephew of one of the guys was headed out on
his standup paddle board.  We managed to talk him out of the paddle
board for a quick try.  I took the standup paddle board out and around
the cove.  As expected it's fairly slow.  I wanted to get out into the
waves, but didn't want to borrow the boat for that long.  The feel of
standing on the board and edging it brought back much of the feel from
when I used to windsurf regularly...

I'll have to try the standup paddle board again.....

Kirk
-- 
  Kirk Olsen
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From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on?
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:52:47 -0700
Down south here, most folks spent the weekend in San Diego at the Southwest
Kayak Symposium. Jen of Aqua Adventures puts it on each year and it's always
a popular event. Nigel Foster, Sean Morley, Russell Farrow, Greg Stammer and
I'm sorry for any I've forgotten were all here teaching classes and helping
out.

CKF is always a big part of the scene with Steve Wilson providing music in
the big tent on Fridays and Duane demonstrating his Greenland Ropes routine.
My afternoon surf class with Sean got cancelled due to lack of moving water,
but I had a great time playing music around the camp with Steve and friends.
After a big potluck on Saturday night, it was more of the same until we all
headed to the beach for the bonfire where Steve was joined by Nigel and
Russell for some great music. I was glad again to offer my guitar, "El
Kabong", for Nigel to use on the night.

Having imbibed of a hearty glass of Duane's "Roll or Drown Martinis" as well
as my own various concoctions of tequila, my memory is a bit hazy, but I
think Duane treated the crowd to the sounds of his didgeridoo and I provided
a break from the professional musicians to play my version of the YouTube
hit "Kayak A$$ H--e", which, lucky me, seems might become my new nickname!

To get the crowd involved with the music, I brought a bag of various
percussion instruments for people to use, so I switched occasionally between
tambourine and maracas. One brave soul, Matt Christian of Aqua Adventures
took up the challenge to play the washboard and impressed me all night
backing up the singers. A rather young man, Matt had already impressed us
all with his kayak rolling skills since taking up the sport and becoming a
fixture at AA. He's been helping out with the kayak tours down in Baja, but
plans to head north to the Washington area to look for work, so if you folks
hear of him up there, I hope you say hi.

SOUTHWEST KAYAK SYMPOSIUM for us down south has become the big social and
paddling event of the year, one we all try not to miss. Maybe we'll lure
some Paddlewiser's down some year if only for the great weather. We'd love
to have you. I know I'm always tempted by the symposiums I hear about in the
northern waters.

So Craig, we weren't trying to avoid you, just found ourselves out of town
for a couple days!

Mark


-----Original Message-----
 On Behalf Of Craig Jungers

Hello? (tap tap) Is this thing on? Or has everyone just gone out paddling?

Craig
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Is this thing on?
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:49:35 -0700
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com> wrote:

> ....... Matt had already impressed us
> all with his kayak rolling skills since taking up the sport and becoming a
> fixture at AA.


This explains sooooooo much!!!    :P


> He's been helping out with the kayak tours down in Baja, but
> plans to head north to the Washington area to look for work, so if you
> folks
> hear of him up there, I hope you say hi.


You bet!

>
> SOUTHWEST KAYAK SYMPOSIUM for us down south has become the big social and
> paddling event of the year, one we all try not to miss. Maybe we'll lure
> some Paddlewiser's down some year if only for the great weather. We'd love
> to have you. I know I'm always tempted by the symposiums I hear about in
> the
> northern waters.


Maybe next year I can wheedle both Pam and my wife into going down there.


> So Craig, we weren't trying to avoid you, just found ourselves out of town
> for a couple days!
>

It's quite a coincidence... that's what so many of my potential dates used
to tell me. :D

Actually, I did know you and Duane and Steve were down there because I
occasionally follow the CKF news. I just thought that there might be more
people around than us reg-you-lars. I'm glad you had a good time - even if
you can't remember all of it that well. Welcome to *my* world. :P


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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