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From: skimmer <skimmer_at_enter.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] My fault
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:13:15 4
Hi Kirk et al., 

A couple days ago, Joq asked me about censorship on Paddlewise  
regarding why his messages where slow to show up or just lost in  space.
I gave him my (unbiased, thoughtless, paranoid) honest  answer, and told
him about my own problems of getting messages  through to the list. On 
those occasions that I begged help from  Jackie, she always kindly told 
me exactly where to go... (talk to  Kirk). 

Kirk told us yesterday that he had just moderated 8 list messages.  That
seems like a lot, given the usually thin traffic on Paddlewise  these 
days. I think we need to hear more detail about exactly what  flags 
cause our messages to go into the review pot before they can  be posted.
Maybe I have have my own special flag, even without  any connection with
SPONSONS. Maybe there is flag for PFDs. 

Thanks, 
Chuck Sutherland 
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From: Nick Schade <nick_at_guillemot-kayaks.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] My fault
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:44:46 -0400
On Apr 24, 2009, at 6:09 AM, skimmer wrote:

> Kirk told us yesterday that he had just moderated 8 list messages.   
> That
> seems like a lot, given the usually thin traffic on Paddlewise  these
> days. I think we need to hear more detail about exactly what  flags
> cause our messages to go into the review pot before they can  be  
> posted.
> Maybe I have have my own special flag, even without  any connection  
> with
> SPONSONS. Maybe there is flag for PFDs.

I will point out that the amount of junk mail posted to an address is  
not correlated to the amount of legitimate email. Junk mail keeps on  
coming regardless of legitimate emails.

  I don't think there is much point in trying to list what causes a  
filter to kick in. We can all imagine the key words that might be  
flagged. We have all seen them in our own in boxes. Posting a list  
would only provide a road map to junk mailers.

   What becomes tricky is the fact that some perfectly legitimate  
words and phrases contain snippets that may be flagged. As a result,  
an increase in legitimate email will cause an increase in email  
flagged for moderation, just due to the laws of probability. Busy days  
on Paddlewise will be busy days for Kirk. I assume Kirk has better  
things to do with his life than make sure a paddling discussion group  
has instant access to all the email we send to it.

  It is very likely that some legitimate email will get lost. If you  
have ever looked through a list of messages after a week and tried to  
pick out the good from the bad, you have an idea of what is involved  
and should realize that mistakes are inevitable.

  I would suggest that none of us have anything quite so important to  
say that it simply has to make it to the list. If you think you wrote  
something particularly profound and it seems to have gotten lost in  
the bit bucket, send it again. I sincerely doubt Kirk is intentionally  
censoring anyone.

  For what its worth, all paddlewise posts that come into my computer  
automatically get put into my "Paddlewise" folder, if I haven't looked  
at my email for several days I will often select all the emails in  
that folder and delete them without reading because I don't have the  
time. In the triage of managing my flow of email Paddlewise and other  
email list have a low priority. I'm sure I'm not alone in this  
practice. So even if Kirk had a flawless system, your message may not  
get read.
Nick



Nick Schade

Guillemot Kayaks
54 South Rd
Groton, CT 06340
USA
Ph/Fx: (860) 659-8847
http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/
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