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From: rebyl_kayak <rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] GPS, sextants and a quiet Paddlewise
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:09:06 +1000
G'Day Jack and Craig,

Jack,
The report on potential GPS failure finally made its way into the Australian
news and certainly did read as if it was the kind of reminder that sometimes
gets leaked out when people get frustrated with budget cuts and are worried
that it will compromise areas of importance. I'm reassured!

Craig,
Regarding sextants I suppose a kamal is about the most primitive kind of
sextant possible and quite usable on a rocking kayak. I did on a couple of
occasions try to use a modern sextant in a kayak. Completely beyond my ability
to hold it steady I'm afraid, and caused much mockery and coarse language from
my insensitive and coarse paddling buddies. But I'm guessing your intention
was to use it on land to help chart a course between crossings, which hadn't
occurred to me until you mentioned it and strikes me as a useful suggestion. I
suspect the usage would be a little unorthodox (and certainly outside my
limited range of knowledge. Once on an island I usually know where I am but
have been in situations with multiple islands or points 40 km off where I have
been unable to distinguish them because my compass was not accurate enough.
Can a sextant help?  How compact can it be and still be useful. Is there a
place for using a sextant when kayaking? I'd be keen to learn more about
this.

All the best, PeterO
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] GPS, sextants and a quiet Paddlewise
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:42:00 -0700
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 4:09 PM, rebyl_kayak <
rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com> wrote:

> .
> Can a sextant help?  How compact can it be and still be useful. Is there a
> place for using a sextant when kayaking? I'd be keen to learn more about
> this.
>

I really don't think a sextant would be very useful as a navigation tool in
a kayak. For one thing, without some sight reduction tables and a pretty
accurate timepiece you would only be able to determine latitude; and that
only once a day with any accuracy. You could determine local noon but
without accurate time translating that into longitude would be difficult if
not impossible.

Most kayakers (and most boaters, airplane pilots and automobile drivers)
don't realize just how difficult "real" navigation would be without the GPS
satellite system. I've been operating boats since the Loran "A" days and
would prefer not to return to those days. Fortunately, I don't think it's
very likely that the USA would relinquish control over the GPS system as
it's now implemented. Too great a military advantage to be able to
selectively reduce the navigation accuracy of a system likely to be used in
any attack.

Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
www.nwkayaking.net
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From: Tord S. Eriksson <tord_at_mindless.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] GPS, sextants and a quiet Paddlewise
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:39:03 -0500
Not very versed in navigation (although father of some horrible
navigation errors), I have to agree with Craig, again, that sextants
are bad enough onboard a rolling, stamping, sailboats. Far worse than
a kayak, any day!

So a compass, and a GPS, makes life much easier - and many GPSs makes a
compass redundant! 

The day WW III starts we'll have other issues than the precision of
GPSs to worry about!

Tord


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