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From: Mike Euritt <mike.euritt_at_gmail.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:36:53 -0700
Last fall I was paddling in Trinidad Bay, coast of N California, as part of
the paddle fest tours. We weren't really out in open water, hadn't even past
the land mark I think they called mile rock when one of the other shouted
"look at that!" Off near shore was splashing, I could see the white foam
from the activity but not the cause. Someone with good distance vision said
they were Risso's Dolphins. I made note of it and kept paddling since I
couldn't see anything.
I went off by myself, past the rock and out to one of the channel markers,
turned and headed back in to rejoin the now very splintered group. Then I
saw them, six of the creature heading straight at me. I was awestruck, man,
this is better than Marine World. Then I realized they were having a great
time, leaping out of the water, back in leap, and bearing down on me. I
wondered if they were able to see me, I thought probably not and imagined
what it would be like if one of them actually jumped over the kayak. Then I
realized I had a pretty good chance of being hit as they did.

I took the paddle and slapped the water, making a point to hit the boat with
the shaft and made as much noise as possible. They changed their course and
missed me, but they were close enough to see the whites of their eyes.
Eventually my heart returned to normal.

It was the last of the large pod that had come in close to shore that day.
Fishermen who had been there all day said when they first saw the pod it was
probably thirty strong and had spent a bit of time close to their boats.

Mike
San Rafael, CA
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:34:27 -0700
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Mike Euritt <mike.euritt_at_gmail.com> wrote:

>
> It was the last of the large pod that had come in close to shore that day.
> Fishermen who had been there all day said when they first saw the pod it
> was
> probably thirty strong and had spent a bit of time close to their boats.
>
>
That's an amazing story, Mike. There was a harbor seal in the Anacortes area
that liked to leap from the water onto the decks of local kayaks. The
largest pod of dolphins I've ever seen was a group of spinners near Honduras
in the Gulf of Tehuantepec. There must have been thousands of them as it
took several minutes to go past them at 22kts. They're unique in that they
spin in the air on every jump (hence the name: spinners). Every one of them,
every time, spins. Really something to watch when there are thousands of
them.

Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
www.nwkayaking.net
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From: John Clinton <jcbikeski_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:56:13 -0700
likely you would have been fine regardless.   I had a couple hundred dolphin
heading right at a few of us (they turned from another course to check us
out).  They looked like a stampede of horses except splashing rather than a
dust cloud.   Many in close quarters passed within feet on either side of us
but not one hit any boat.   I wondered if they might hit us due to being
blocked by their fellow dolphin.   Anyway they seem to have very good sense
of their size, etc. along with echo location and eyes so I suspect if they
ever hit you they meant to.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Mike Euritt <mike.euritt_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Last fall I was paddling in Trinidad Bay, coast of N California, as part of
> the paddle fest tours. We weren't really out in open water, hadn't even
> past
> the land mark I think they called mile rock when one of the other shouted
> "look at that!" Off near shore was splashing, I could see the white foam
> from the activity but not the cause. Someone with good distance vision said
> they were Risso's Dolphins. I made note of it and kept paddling since I
> couldn't see anything.
> I went off by myself, past the rock and out to one of the channel markers,
> turned and headed back in to rejoin the now very splintered group. Then I
> saw them, six of the creature heading straight at me. I was awestruck, man,
> this is better than Marine World. Then I realized they were having a great
> time, leaping out of the water, back in leap, and bearing down on me. I
> wondered if they were able to see me, I thought probably not and imagined
> what it would be like if one of them actually jumped over the kayak. Then I
> realized I had a pretty good chance of being hit as they did.
>
> I took the paddle and slapped the water, making a point to hit the boat
> with
> the shaft and made as much noise as possible. They changed their course and
> missed me, but they were close enough to see the whites of their eyes.
> Eventually my heart returned to normal.
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From: William Jennings <will_at_bigwoodenradio.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:49:47 -0400
A small cluster of cormorants took off low in the fog, staying low as  
they gained speed,
coming toward me on a right angle. I just assumed they would see me,  
gain a few feet in altitude
or veer to avoid me.  Wrong.  At about 6 feet from me, they lifted  
slightly. I half-ducked and sort of raised my paddle
in defense...one clipped my paddle with enough force to send him  
spinning and tumbling and push me over into a high brace recovery.
The cormorant in question floated, somewhat ruffled about 15 feet  
away.  I think we both wagged our heads and headed in opposite  
directions,
none the worse for the abrupt meeting.  Better a cormorant than a  
raptor or a lobster boat, I'm thinking.

-Will
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From: Paul Hayward <pdh_at_mmcl.co.nz>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:14:19 +1200
John Clinton said on 22 July 2009 10:56

> dolphin.... so I suspect if they ever hit you they meant to.

We paddle frequently with dolphins (and we do feel very privileged) and they
are common enough along our coast that commercial outfits take tourists out
with no-see = no-pay guarantees ;-)

Most boating people are pretty good about marine mammal etiquette and
keeping a minimum distance with a maximum number of boats to avoid stress,
but there will always be a few cowboys.

Last year, a woman on a smallish outboard boat (not a commercial one) was
seriously hurt when a large male dolphin leapt onboard and crushed her. (She
has recovered - as did the dolphin.)

There was great journalistic uproar and effort, but nobody could trace a
previous (local) example of a dolphin 'getting it wrong' or of one behaving
in a deliberately aggressive manor. So the jury is still out on what caused
the event:
- male protection of threatened family
- bad behaviour on the part of the dolphin
- bad behaviour on the part of the boat skipper
- plain accident by the dolphin
- toxic algae triggered 'intoxication'

In the final analysis, it is perhaps a minor cause of wonder that dolphins
are so damn good at what they do. 
  
Best Regards
Paul Hayward, Auckland, New Zealand

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To: Mike Euritt
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Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife

likely you would have been fine regardless.   I had a couple hundred dolphin
heading right at a few of us (they turned from another course to check us
out).  They looked like a stampede of horses except splashing rather than a
dust cloud.   Many in close quarters passed within feet on either side of us
but not one hit any boat.   I wondered if they might hit us due to being
blocked by their fellow dolphin.   Anyway they seem to have very good sense
of their size, etc. along with echo location and eyes so I suspect if they
ever hit you they meant to.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Mike Euritt <mike.euritt_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Last fall I was paddling in Trinidad Bay, coast of N California, as part
of
> the paddle fest tours. We weren't really out in open water, hadn't even
> past
> the land mark I think they called mile rock when one of the other shouted
> "look at that!" Off near shore was splashing, I could see the white foam
> from the activity but not the cause. Someone with good distance vision
said
> they were Risso's Dolphins. I made note of it and kept paddling since I
> couldn't see anything.
> I went off by myself, past the rock and out to one of the channel markers,
> turned and headed back in to rejoin the now very splintered group. Then I
> saw them, six of the creature heading straight at me. I was awestruck,
man,
> this is better than Marine World. Then I realized they were having a great
> time, leaping out of the water, back in leap, and bearing down on me. I
> wondered if they were able to see me, I thought probably not and imagined
> what it would be like if one of them actually jumped over the kayak. Then
I
> realized I had a pretty good chance of being hit as they did.
>
> I took the paddle and slapped the water, making a point to hit the boat
> with
> the shaft and made as much noise as possible. They changed their course
and
> missed me, but they were close enough to see the whites of their eyes.
> Eventually my heart returned to normal.
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:05:16 -0700
   Seems like a couple of years ago there was a woman that had a
leaping eagle ray land on her. While not a totally pleasant experience,
it's probably better to have an eagle ray drop into your lap than
a polar bear. As I understand it, the difference between an eagle
ray and a polar bear is that you can negotiate with an eagle ray.

Brad

Quoting Paul Hayward <pdh_at_mmcl.co.nz>:

> John Clinton said on 22 July 2009 10:56
>
>> dolphin.... so I suspect if they ever hit you they meant to.
>
> We paddle frequently with dolphins (and we do feel very privileged) and they
> are common enough along our coast that commercial outfits take tourists out
> with no-see = no-pay guarantees ;-)
>
> Most boating people are pretty good about marine mammal etiquette and
> keeping a minimum distance with a maximum number of boats to avoid stress,
> but there will always be a few cowboys.
>
> Last year, a woman on a smallish outboard boat (not a commercial one) was
> seriously hurt when a large male dolphin leapt onboard and crushed her. (She
> has recovered - as did the dolphin.)
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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:30:02 -0400
Bradford R. Crain wrote:
>   Seems like a couple of years ago there was a woman that had a
> leaping eagle ray land on her. 
I know a guy that was fishing for salmon with a friend in a 19' skiff 
off the coast of California just north of San Francisco.   A full grown 
sea lion jumped out of the water close to the boat a couple of times and 
on the third jump landed *in* the boat with them.  It then proceeded to 
chase them around until it climbed up onto the rear transom and one of 
them body blocked it back into the ocean.  They're best guess was that 
it was trying to get away from a great white.  The were fishing in an 
area known as the Red Triangle, which runs along the coast from just 
north of Santa Cruz, Ca to Bodega Bay, with the point of the triangle at 
the Farallon Islands just outside the Golden Gate bridge.
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From: Mike Euritt <mike.euritt_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:43:45 -0700
how about smaller, cuter company aboard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXTojoKpsQQ



On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:30 AM, John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu> wrote:

> Bradford R. Crain wrote:
>
>>  Seems like a couple of years ago there was a woman that had a
>> leaping eagle ray land on her.
>>
> I know a guy that was fishing for salmon with a friend in a 19' skiff off
> the coast of California just north of San Francisco.   A full grown sea lion
> jumped out of the water close to the boat a couple of times and on the third
> jump landed *in* the boat with them.  It then proceeded to chase them around
> until it climbed up onto the rear transom and one of them body blocked it
> back into the ocean.  They're best guess was that it was trying to get away
> from a great white.  The were fishing in an area known as the Red Triangle,
> which runs along the coast from just north of Santa Cruz, Ca to Bodega Bay,
> with the point of the triangle at the Farallon Islands just outside the
> Golden Gate bridge.
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From: Mike Euritt <mike.euritt_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:47:17 -0700
Sorry about that previous link, I have no idea what happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBwqbqZ3L60

this one is correct
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From: William Jennings <will_at_bigwoodenradio.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:56:36 -0400
Leaping carp...no kidding.  A number of motor boat occupants have been  
injured on the Illinois River.

I'm sure there is YouTube of them...I've seen videos where passing  
boats spur dozens to leap out of the water at once.

I think for kayakers it would be like swatting some of mosquitoes in  
Lake of The Woods or northern Maine...

http://www.impactlab.com/2006/02/22/scientists-fear-leaping-carp-invasion/
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From: Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:04:19 -0400
Just remembered my friend Marvine who was paddling the Texas Water 
Safari (240 mile sprint) with 2 or 3 sisters in a long canoe. An 
alligator gar was attracted to he headlamp during the night and t-boned 
her in the ribs, breaking a few. She didn't paddle much the rest of the 
race.

Steve

-- 
Steve Cramer
Athens, GA
http://www.savvypaddler.com
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From: Derek <glamourpets_at_yahoo.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife - Moose?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:52:34 -0700 (PDT)
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Has anyone been run down by a moose?

In some areas, its common to come around a river bend to see a moose chomping on lillies.  Usually they just casually wander back into the bush.  Are there any cases where these MOOSE have become violent?

Derek
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From: Darryl Johnson <Darryl.Johnson_at_sympatico.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife - Moose?
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:29:00 -0400
Derek wrote:
> 
> Has anyone been run down by a moose?
> 
> In some areas, its common to come around a river bend to see a moose chomping on lillies.  Usually they just casually wander back into the bush.  Are there any cases where these MOOSE have become violent?
> 
> Derek

Moose *can* be aggressive. As with most animals, the mating season is 
when it is best to leave a wide margin between you and any moose you 
encounter. They're fast and agile. And really BIG!

I've seen a video -- somewhere -- of a moose and a man playing 
ring-around-the-rosie, with the moose chasing the man around a large 
tree. Too large to climb. Eventually the moose tired of the game and 
wandered off.

I've never heard of a moose chasing a canoe or kayak though.

With their long legs, hitting a moose in a car is NOT recommended 
either. The legs lift the bulk of their body up high enough to clear 
the hood of most cars and vans; you'll find yourself wearing a 
chestfull of moose before you know it. It may be the *last* thing you 
know too.

-- 
   Darryl
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From: Richard Culpeper <culpeper_at_tbaytel.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife - Moose?
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:03:51 -0400
That made a widow of one of my friends.  

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With their long legs, hitting a moose in a car is NOT recommended 
either. The legs lift the bulk of their body up high enough to clear 
the hood of most cars and vans; you'll find yourself wearing a 
chestfull of moose before you know it. It may be the *last* thing you 
know too.

   Darryl
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife - Moose?
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:00:05 -0700
   One of my friends totaled a rental car in Alaska by coming over a
rise and smacking into a moose. No human injuries, but I think the
moose was in his last car wreck.

Brad

Quoting Richard Culpeper <culpeper_at_tbaytel.net>:

> That made a widow of one of my friends.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> With their long legs, hitting a moose in a car is NOT recommended
> either. The legs lift the bulk of their body up high enough to clear
> the hood of most cars and vans; you'll find yourself wearing a
> chestfull of moose before you know it. It may be the *last* thing you
> know too.
>
>    Darryl
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Being Run Down by Wildlife - Moose?
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:56:11 -0700
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Derek <glamourpets_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> In some areas, its common to come around a river bend to see a moose
> chomping on lillies.  Usually they just casually wander back into the bush.
>  Are there any cases where these MOOSE have become violent?
>
>
Just east of Spokane, WA there is a lake in Idaho called Priest Lake. There
are actually two lakes by that name... an lake upper (northern) and a lower
lake connected by a relatively narrow waterway called the "thoroughfare".
Thirty years ago the thoroughfare was only about 10 yards wide but now it's
50 years wide in most places because powerboaters who go through it have a
difficult time understanding that "slow" doesn't just mean slower than 50mph
and "no wake" doesn't mean "not much wake". But I digress...

Every time I've paddled through the thoroughfare between upper and lower
Priest Lake I've seen at least one moose kneecap deep in the water
nonchalantly munching on delectable water goodies. Canoe, kayaks and
powerboats (with their sound systems on loud) go by and I've never seen any
of these moose do anything but watch the people as avidly as the people
watch the moose. Even when it's a cow and calf. I'm sure they're somewhat
used to people but they're still wild animals and show no inclination to get
antsy with the boaters. Although I'd love to have them beat up a wakeboard
boat once or twice.

The northern Priest Lake has no cabins or structures and is a wonderful
place to camp. Beware of grizzly bears if you go there (although I've never
seen one). I'm betting you will see a moose, however.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
www.nwkayaking.net
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