I thought this was pretty slick. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNXoxamtTJE Jim et al *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Paddlewisers, I wouldn't recommend that roll in the surf. Laying on the back deck is not a good start position for a combat roll in the surf, because it takes too long to go from the safe tucked forward position, which you should go to during the capsize, and laying on the back deck with both arms extended is not a good tight position to be in for turbulent water. Also, the roll shown is really a lay back roll, the only difference being where the roll was started. I haven't rolled waveskis (have surf kayaks), but the guys I see doing it all the time basically do a sweep roll with a lot of layback, which is what I use in my hard to roll surf kayak. Duane Southern California --- On Fri, 9/25/09, James Farrelly <jfarrelly5_at_comcast.net> wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNXoxamtTJE *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sep 25, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Duane Strosaker wrote: > Paddlewisers, > > I wouldn't recommend that roll in the surf. Laying on the back deck > is not a good start position for a combat roll in the surf, because > it takes too long to go from the safe tucked forward position, > which you should go to during the capsize, and laying on the back > deck with both arms extended is not a good tight position to be in > for turbulent water. I dont care for waveskis. If you remove your seat belt before you remove your feet from the stirrups you can easily injure your knee. A reliable roll seems much more essential when using a waveski than in a kayak. I will simple defer to the thought that whatever gets you upright is OK. This is the roll I see most people perform when on a waveski. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4ecuQ3yq7Q One leg out of position never struck me as wise and is very difficult to learn. Yes I have tried. I may borrow a friends ski the next time I am on Tybee and see how this Irish technique works. Jim et al *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> I dont care for waveskis. If you remove your seat belt before you > remove your feet from the stirrups you can easily injure your knee. So don't remove your seatbelt before you remove your feet - simple enough solution :-) Actually some waveskis are fitted with thigh straps rather then a seat belt. > A reliable roll seems much more essential when using a waveski than in > a kayak. I will simple defer to the thought that whatever gets you > upright is OK. I don't know about that. It is easy enough to climb back onto a waveski in the water, which is a lot more then I can say about surf kayaks. > > This is the roll I see most people perform when on a waveski. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4ecuQ3yq7Q > > One leg out of position never struck me as wise and is very difficult > to learn. You might notice that the fellow in the video is using an extended paddle as well. I always used an extended paddle (but not the leg out) to roll my waveski as well, until I learned the reverse screw roll. The reverse screw roll, when done correctly, really does take advantage of the lower center of gravity possible by laying back (shouldn't that actually be lying back :-) on the ski. I feel it's a superior roll for waveskis which is quick and requires much less energy to perform then the forward sweep rolls, and it brings you with the paddle ready to brace on either side and the feet in the stirrups. But like you say, whatever works! Scott So.Cal. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I'll never forget being knocked over in a WW kayak in a lying back position...while in shallow water; I couldn't roll up, couldn't reach my spray skirt to get out...just got dragged along with my face scraping the gravel ...Don't remember how I escaped... I think I was pushed into deeper water. Robert Cline Houston Tx On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:46:07 -0700 (PDT), "Duane Strosaker" <strosaker_at_yahoo.com> said: > Paddlewisers, > > I wouldn't recommend that roll in the surf. Laying on the back deck is > not a good start position for a combat roll in the surf, because it takes > too long to go from the safe tucked forward position, which you should go *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Duane said: I wouldn't recommend that roll in the surf. Laying on the back deck is not a good start position for a combat roll in the surf, because it takes too long to go from the safe tucked forward position, which you should go to during the capsize, and laying on the back deck with both arms extended is not a good tight position to be in for turbulent water. Also, the roll shown is really a lay back roll, the only difference being where the roll was started. I haven't rolled waveskis (have surf kayaks), but the guys I see doing it all the time basically do a sweep roll with a lot of layback, which is what I use in my hard to roll surf kayak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've used it before in my *hard to roll* surf kayak, as the width of my boat and the difficulty of pulling the rails through the water as it is righted is sometimes easier from the reverse. My boat has swum some pretty good rollers after trying it out on a session. Unless it is shallow or rocky there isn't a disadvantage in my view to coming from the reverse. Even from the protected forward capsize position, I've gone from forward to reverse to right myself with the wave's energy. If the wave has moved on, the water is less turbulent, which is where I'm usually rolling, anyway. Cheers, Rob G *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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