Re: [Paddlewise] Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:04:56 -0800

Thanks Craig. To be fare to Rob, I thgink we were having a discussion some time ago about Matt's designs and why there was some resistance in the community to the deck/bulkhead/hatchy issue, which Rob also felt was the stumbling block - but then went on to say he wouldn't hesitate to use a kayak outfitted to his own preference, but with one of matt's hulls, as there wasn't anything that would make him concerned about lack of performance.

I've certainly looked over the strip-built design offerings and talked a fair bit with designers here and there and in Europe, and if I had more time and a shop on my property (it is out in the counrtyside right now, so not as accessible each night, which is what one needs to make strip kayaks  using cumulative time avaliability) I'd consider a Broze design (with permission).

Having spent some time with the odd SOF builder, it looks quickly and cheapely doable, but aCoaster inspired design, in my hands, would need to be a pretty tough boat to survive more that 20 minutues with me. I'm much gentler on my wife, though mentally, hmmm, some days...poor woman.

Doug 


> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Doug Lloyd 
> <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> >
> > I think the Express would make a nice stripper kayak; and, in 
> keeping with
> > the original design intent, one could forgo the hatch install, 
> thereby> keeping the natural beauty of the wood flow. Have to 
> think on that one.
> > Maybe you will get an email from me one day about using the 
> hull profile...
> >
> 
> Interestingly enough, Brian Schulz at Cape Falcon Kayaks, 
> designed and built
> a boat very similar to an Express in SOF while Pam and I were 
> doing our F-1s
> in Oregon. He calls it his LPB (long pointy boat) and you can 
> see it on his
> web site (http://www.capefalconkayak.com/lpb.html). While Brian 
> was setting
> the lines for this boat he didn't have an Express handy so he 
> used my
> Mariner II to determine the chine shape and the flow into the 
> bow and stern.
> I didn't get a chance to paddle it but it seemed to me to be a 
> nice boat and
> the new owner (who did a lot of the building during that week) 
> seemed very
> happy with it.
> 
> >
> > Rob said it best here some time ago, that the hulls on your 
> kayaks are
> > right
> > up there with the best in the world, given the hull, for the 
> most part, is
> > what really matters in terms of performance.
> >
> 
> I've been pretty happy with my experiences in Mariner kayaks 
> having owned
> one of every model except the Elan and the first Mariner. But, 
> Doug, I
> suspect you'd like the F-1 just as much as the Express. I 
> encourage you to
> paddle both of them. Pam thinks we should visit Victoria with a 
> couple boats
> each and see what you think. Don't let your wife paddle Pam's F-
> 1 or you'll
> have to build two. Seriously.
> 
> Craig Jungers
> Moses Lake, WA
> www.nwkayaking.net
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