http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3sWmzzwIF8 You mean this is real? I thought it was part of a Monty Python skit or something like that. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:14 PM, MATT MARINER BROZE <marinerkayaks_at_msn.com>wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3sWmzzwIF8 > > > > You mean this is real? I thought it was part of a Monty Python skit or > something like that. > > You can't make this stuff up. No one is *that* creative. :P Craig *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
It is a satirical comedy routine by Clarke and Dawe: http://www.mrjohnclarke.com/clarkedawe.shtml They have others along a similar vein. Funny stuff. On Mar 24, 2010, at 3:14 PM, MATT MARINER BROZE wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3sWmzzwIF8 > > You mean this is real? I thought it was part of a Monty Python skit or > something like that. Nick Schade Guillemot Kayaks 54 South Rd Groton, CT 06340 USA Ph/Fx: (860) 659-8847 http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
This is apparently a satirical skit performed by John Clarke and Brian Dawe, based on an actual event: an oil spill in 1991 by the Greek tanker Kirki that lost it's bow off the coast of Western Australia (see Snopes: search for "the front fell off"). B.R. Crain Quoting Nick Schade <nick_at_guillemot-kayaks.com>: > It is a satirical comedy routine by Clarke and Dawe: > http://www.mrjohnclarke.com/clarkedawe.shtml > > They have others along a similar vein. Funny stuff. > > On Mar 24, 2010, at 3:14 PM, MATT MARINER BROZE wrote: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3sWmzzwIF8 >> >> You mean this is real? I thought it was part of a Monty Python skit or >> something like that. > > Nick Schade > > Guillemot Kayaks > 54 South Rd > Groton, CT 06340 > USA > Ph/Fx: (860) 659-8847 > http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The real disaster at sea...the Greek tanker Kirki...see attached. B.R. Crain Quoting Nick Schade <nick_at_guillemot-kayaks.com>: > It is a satirical comedy routine by Clarke and Dawe: > http://www.mrjohnclarke.com/clarkedawe.shtml > > They have others along a similar vein. Funny stuff. > > On Mar 24, 2010, at 3:14 PM, MATT MARINER BROZE wrote: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3sWmzzwIF8 >> >> You mean this is real? I thought it was part of a Monty Python skit or >> something like that. > > Nick Schade > > Guillemot Kayaks > 54 South Rd > Groton, CT 06340 > USA > Ph/Fx: (860) 659-8847 > http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/ [demime 1.01e removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of Major Oil Spills in Australia.doc] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
It is a skit. These guys are professional comedians snopes.com: The Front Fell Off On Mar 24, 2010, at 12:14 PM, MATT MARINER BROZE wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3sWmzzwIF8 > > > > You mean this is real? I thought it was part of a Monty Python skit or > something like that. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
It certainly fooled me. LOL Where are they located (which country)? That was brilliant! Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Robert Livingston <bearboat2_at_comcast.net>wrote: > It is a skit. These guys are professional comedians > > snopes.com: The Front Fell Off > > > On Mar 24, 2010, at 12:14 PM, MATT MARINER BROZE wrote: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3sWmzzwIF8 > > > > > > > > You mean this is real? I thought it was part of a Monty Python skit or > > something like that. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Ok... I just checked the snopes.com link and understand. It was almost 20 years ago. So I suppose they are no longer doing this sort of stuff. The world was much bigger in the 1990s and comedy sketches from one country seldom made it to other countries unless a network picked up the show (like Monty Python). Now, with sites like YouTube, everything flashes around the world in no time. It's easy to forget just how much the world has changed with the Internet. Thanks for the clip, though. :) Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com> wrote: > It certainly fooled me. LOL Where are they located (which country)? That > was brilliant! > > > Craig Jungers > Moses Lake, WA > www.nwkayaking.net > > > > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Robert Livingston <bearboat2_at_comcast.net>wrote: > >> It is a skit. These guys are professional comedians >> >> snopes.com: The Front Fell Off >> >> >> On Mar 24, 2010, at 12:14 PM, MATT MARINER BROZE wrote: >> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3sWmzzwIF8 >> > >> > >> > >> > You mean this is real? I thought it was part of a Monty Python skit or >> > something like that. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Matt, et al: I'd like some objective comment regarding a kayak's overall asymmetrically profiled shape as seen from above with respect to forward paddling efficiency at a moderate sprint. I demoed an Atlantis Spartan VI last year. I liked the kayak for the quality construction, fact it was a local kayak, had a bonded-in skeg line, large oval hatch at bow (many only have a round hatch located there), nice low wind profile, reasonable responsiveness in all regards, good foot and cargo room, and paddled efficiently at 3.5 knots. Here's the profile seen from the top: http://www.atlantiskayaks.com/spartanvi.htm While I know Matt that so much of a kayak's performance originates from the various hull curves and asymmetry at various sectional levels, you can see from the overall top profile that the Spartan's forward bow section provided a narrow entry line but flares quickly at the front bulkhead. When I got the kayak up to 4 knots then tried sustaining it at further speeds, there just didn't seem like any real return for the effort. It would move smartly along but then fall off rapidly. Even though my Nordkapp is Fish-form, it didn't do this. I always felt I was the limiting factor at 5 knots. Other kayak profiles show Swede form with long, more graduated entry line, plus the fact the gear mostly stuffs in the rear compartment where the Swede form has its bulk. Atlantis may be coming out with a shorter play boat next year and P&H has a new offering thins year, but I have not seen the profiles yet. The Cetus certainly is big-butted, but suffers from weather cocking a bit. So, is the Spartan VI profile the issue with top speed question? Thanks. Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The Spartan looks to be fish formed to me. If you put a stick under an inner tube to make a longer waterline you don't increase the hull speed. You could chop four or five feet off the ends of the Spartan and it would be about as fast as it is now. However, that is due to the prismatic cooeficient rather than any asymetry. Essentially any hollowness in the ends are likely to make the hull act shorter since the bow wave is made further back along the hull and the finer stern isn't as well supported by the second wave at speeds approaching hull speed. The hull will then "squat" at a lower speed (in a shorter wave length). This fine ended shape is slightly more efficient at much lower speeds though. Your Nordkapp was very efficient at normal cruising speeds but is not a particularly fast kayak in a sprint. Some would argue with me, but on the waters surface it is my understanding that, other things being equal, slightly Swede-form is faster than slightly fish-form. Racing canoes are limited by the rules in how Swede-formed they can be. If it weren't faster why would the rule be needed? We discuss this whole subject in a lot more detail in the FAQ's in our website. > From: douglloyd_at_shaw.ca > To: marinerkayaks_at_msn.com; PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net > Subject: Kayak Profile > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:53:19 -0700 > > > Matt, et al: > > I'd like some objective comment regarding a kayak's overall asymmetrically > profiled shape as seen from above with respect to forward paddling > efficiency at a moderate sprint. > > I demoed an Atlantis Spartan VI last year. I liked the kayak for the quality > construction, fact it was a local kayak, had a bonded-in skeg line, large > oval hatch at bow (many only have a round hatch located there), nice low > wind profile, reasonable responsiveness in all regards, good foot and cargo > room, and paddled efficiently at 3.5 knots. Here's the profile seen from the > top: > > http://www.atlantiskayaks.com/spartanvi.htm > > While I know Matt that so much of a kayak's performance originates from the > various hull curves and asymmetry at various sectional levels, you can see > from the overall top profile that the Spartan's forward bow section provided > a narrow entry line but flares quickly at the front bulkhead. > > When I got the kayak up to 4 knots then tried sustaining it at further > speeds, there just didn't seem like any real return for the effort. It would > move smartly along but then fall off rapidly. Even though my Nordkapp is > Fish-form, it didn't do this. I always felt I was the limiting factor at 5 > knots. > > Other kayak profiles show Swede form with long, more graduated entry line, > plus the fact the gear mostly stuffs in the rear compartment where the Swede > form has its bulk. > > Atlantis may be coming out with a shorter play boat next year and P&H has a > new offering thins year, but I have not seen the profiles yet. The Cetus > certainly is big-butted, but suffers from weather cocking a bit. > > So, is the Spartan VI profile the issue with top speed question? > > Thanks. > > Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
It is hard to judge the profile of the waterline from an overhead view of the kayak (the seamline) If you cut off in your mind the part of the bow that is not even in the water, the waterline width is probably increasing more linearly... On Mar 25, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Doug Lloyd wrote: *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Robert Livingston <bearboat2_at_comcast.net>wrote: > It is hard to judge the profile of the waterline from an overhead view of > the kayak (the seamline) > > If you cut off in your mind the part of the bow that is not even in the > water, the waterline width is probably increasing more linearly... I noticed that the volume of the Spartan is 90 gallons which is the same volume as my RPM Max white water kayak. Interesting, huh? I bet that kayak will be a wet ride. But Doug probably doesn't care after his Nordy; he's used to that. I, on the other hand, really dislike wet rides and much prefer a boat to rise over the waves as opposed to cutting through them. Even in my drysuit. Maybe if I wore a face mask and used a snorkel..... nahhhhh. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Yeah, and I also know the Mariner line (which you usually mention, but didn't this time for a change!) is legendary for carrying the paddler over the waves rather than diving into them. The Elan is one I'd love to try one day. In terms of ugly American kayaks, the Elan is an exception. It really is a thing of beauty combining form and function. Wish I had the bucks. One day. http://image55.webshots.com/455/9/36/0/2744936000028737261tRmLkB_ph.jpg DL _____ On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Robert Livingston <bearboat2_at_comcast.net> wrote: It is hard to judge the profile of the waterline from an overhead view of the kayak (the seamline) If you cut off in your mind the part of the bow that is not even in the water, the waterline width is probably increasing more linearly... I noticed that the volume of the Spartan is 90 gallons which is the same volume as my RPM Max white water kayak. Interesting, huh? I bet that kayak will be a wet ride. But Doug probably doesn't care after his Nordy; he's used to that. I, on the other hand, really dislike wet rides and much prefer a boat to rise over the waves as opposed to cutting through them. Even in my drysuit. Maybe if I wore a face mask and used a snorkel..... nahhhhh. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > Yeah, and I also know the Mariner line (which you usually mention, but > didnt this time for a change!) is legendary for carrying the paddler over > the waves rather than diving into them. > I knew I forgot something! I recall being in my first Mariner (the Express) with Pam in the San Juan Islands paddling amongst the rocks next to Harney Channel when a 40-foot powerboat in full squat position went by. With no room to maneuver I was sure that the wake would make my life hell. Instead the kayak rode up and over the wake without so much as a significant splash. I felt that my "oh sh*t" just before the wake hit was an overreaction. LOL > The Elan is one Id love to try one day. In terms of ugly American kayaks, > the Elan is an exception. It really is a thing of beauty combining form and > function. Wish I had the bucks. One day. > I agree that the Elan is a beautiful kayak. I think that the Express is just as lovely though. My next door neighbor, who knows nothing about kayaks, once told me he thought my blue Express was the prettiest boat he'd ever seen. I now have a red Express and I don't think it's as pretty. (The one in your link is blue, I noticed.) Elans are hard to find but I think there is one on the list at Kayak Academy for around US$1800. Just to even things out... the Coaster has to be the ugly-duckling of kayaks. Snub nosed, bobbed tail, flat midships. What could they have been thinking? Oh.... wait..... LOL Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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