According to a friend, with insight into Volvo's similar problems a few years back, it can happen to any modern car/vehicle with a modern automatic gearbox - and it doesn't help switching off the ignition! The ignition key doesn't cut all the power from batteries and generator, as it did on old cars/motorbikes. It just starts a stop-sequence in the computer program controlling the gearbox/accelerator - bloody dangerous! All computers at times goes bonkers, as we all know! Remember Windows ME?! Standing on your brakes, and then pull the parking brake. is probably a better option! Our buses have been equipped with old-style power-off switches at the batteries (not standard), as without it is impossible to do a 'cold' start, if the computers (there are about 20 in a bus) starts imagining things, like that it supposed to open the doors while the bus travels at speed :-(! I don't have a modern automatic gearbox on my car, I'm pleased to say! Tord *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> cut all the power from batteries and generator, as it did on old cars/motorbikes. Tord - surely that is exaggeration. I doubt there's been a car built in your lifetime where this was true. They all had parking lights... and most had other functions that kept working with the ignition key removed - cigarette lighters, engine & turbo cooling fans (my '78 SAAB), burglar alarms, clocks, etc - quite a long list. So historically, we haven't needed to kill all power in the vehicle - just stop the engine; which we can do by killing the power to the sparkplugs or (if it's a diesel) shutting off the fuel supply. I would love to hear from anybody with a vehicle (old or new) which doesn't do one or both of those when you turn off the ignition switch ! If the engine is stopped, it shouldn't greatly matter if the gearbox or accelerator is under computer control or completely insane - you can deal with those issues later. Most cars will retain enough 'power assist' to steer & brake to a safe halt when the engine shuts down. Don't assume that you have much extra time however, eg: to wend your way down a long grade to a pull-off on the flat... Last weekend, travelling with a group of friends (all with kayaks on the roof) a friend had his main 'fan' belt break when we were 100 km from anywhere. We called upon one of the 4x4s in the group to give him a short tow - to a safe spot for the car. Because the fan belt drives all the engine accessories (as in many cars), he very soon lost power brakes and steering which caused him some excitement - as he claimed to have no effective brakes at all. (He's a very strong guy.) Luckily, the handbrake worked and the 4x4 escaped unscathed ;-) This is worth keeping in mind - you might even want to test your car's ability to retain some power-assistance (when the engine stops) to brake and to steer. Just be careful that the testing session doesn't go pear shaped ;-) Best Regards Paul Hayward, Auckland, New Zealand *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
OK, OK! Not everything is separated from the battery, of course (I was a bit tired, so I exaggerated a bit). But new MAN buses, MAN being one of the bigger manufacturers of buses in the world, uses two remote switches on the dashboard - one cuts the battery and one isolates the generator (quite weird - never seen that), and then it has an external switch, stopping people from opening the doors, to keep vandals out (a mechanical 20A switch maybe), and then my employer has added one on the battery pack itself, at least 500A proof! To reset the main computer you have to use the big one, while GPS, and such minor functions, can be reset by switching off the two remote on the dashboard. By the way, on my Toyota the radio and the cigarette lighter are switched off by the ignition key - pretty silly! While the headlights are not .... Remember reading about a young lad in the US, whose modern pickup went berserk, as gearbox and accelerator started to live a life of their own - and the brakes were pretty soon overheated, and failed. He had the composure to call his car service, for advice, and the emergency services while his car speeded through some major US city, at full speed and full throttle! I think you can hear some of his conversation with 911 on YouTube - a pure nightmare, of course. Eventually to car crashed, and, thankfully the engine died. The kid survived the ordeal, with minor damage (don't remember - a broken arm maybe). How do you get out such an event - aim at something soft?! Tord -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hayward <pdh_at_mmcl.co.nz> To: 'Tord' <tord_at_mindless.com>; PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 10:18 am Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Toyota Problems > cut all the power from batteries and generator, as it did on old cars/motorbikes. Tord - surely that is exaggeration. I doubt there's been a car built in your lifetime where this was true. They all had parking lights... and most had other functions that kept working with the ignition key removed - cigarette lighters, engine & turbo cooling fans (my '78 SAAB), burglar alarms, clocks, etc - quite a long list. So historically, we haven't needed to kill all power in the vehicle - just stop the engine; which we can do by killing the power to the sparkplugs or (if it's a diesel) shutting off the fuel supply. I would love to hear from anybody with a vehicle (old or new) which doesn't do one or both of those when you turn off the ignition switch ! If the engine is stopped, it shouldn't greatly matter if the gearbox or accelerator is under computer control or completely insane - you can deal with those issues later. Most cars will retain enough 'power assist' to steer & brake to a safe halt when the engine shuts down. Don't assume that you have much extra time however, eg: to wend your way down a long grade to a pull-off on the flat... Last weekend, travelling with a group of friends (all with kayaks on the roof) a friend had his main 'fan' belt break when we were 100 km from anywhere. We called upon one of the 4x4s in the group to give him a short tow - to a safe spot for the car. Because the fan belt drives all the engine accessories (as in many cars), he very soon lost power brakes and steering which caused him some excitement - as he claimed to have no effective brakes at all. (He's a very strong guy.) Luckily, the handbrake worked and the 4x4 escaped unscathed ;-) This is worth keeping in mind - you might even want to test your car's ability to retain some power-assistance (when the engine stops) to brake and to steer. Just be careful that the testing session doesn't go pear shaped ;-) Best Regards Paul Hayward, Auckland, New Zealand *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> on my Toyota the radio and the cigarette lighter are > switched off by the ignition key - pretty silly! > While the headlights are not Back in the 50's, car radios worked without the ignition keys - good for leaving the kids in the car (before political correctness ;-). I think too many people ran the battery down - leaving the radio on - so that had to change. Cigarette lighters developed the same bad habits when radar snoopers came along. In a modern car, a flat battery could be avoided by simply having a 15-minute delayed power-off for these circuits. My (10 yo) Subaru kills its head-lights and parking lights unless I activate a separate 'leave me on' switch. N's Peugeot is super-clever - it turns on the headlights for her when it's dark and turns them off 10 seconds after engine-off - so she can find the front door keyhole... Perhaps not so good if you're doing 100kph one night and have to overcome an insane computer ;-) Best power design decision I ever saw was my old Peugeot 405's ability to continue to operate the electric windows & sunroof when the interior light (dome-light) was on. Countless times I had the engine off and keys in my hand - only to bless this feature as I tidied up a window that had been left down. Also good if you left a passenger in the car and took the keys with you. There wasn't any security problem with activating the windows or roof, as if the light was on, it meant a door had to be open already. Worst one was in a Benz that my dad bought in the 70's. They put all 4 windows and the roof on one under-sized fuse - which blew if you activated them all at once... We proved that one day when a flash storm came over and we got a free rinse. Being a young (and entirely too brash) engineer, I suggested to the MB Service Manager in Tampa that this wasn't a good example of superior German engineering. I bet you can imagine how sympathetic he was ;-) Best Regards Paul Hayward, Auckland, New Zealand *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Oh, I love this: While in France I saw a very proper-looking guy in my age, with a beautiful young woman beside him, maybe 25 years younger than him, after having had lunch in this picturesque town, strolling down to his Mercedes sports car, some classy late 60's model, gladly chatting. Then things start to fall apart: He can't find his car keys! I remember the young woman very well, as she had hair that was so long that it reached beneath her knees - never seen that again! Anyway, she points out that the keys might still be in the car, and they are (no thieves around, evidently)! And the sun roof is slightly open. So this suit-clad guy has to face losing face big style, if he can't get at the keys, and as he's a gent he doesn't ask the lady, so he does his damnedest to get them, and after a while the girl is laughing hysterically, as he's stuck, with his legs pointing skyward, and can't get out, nor in! My friend, a proper Frenchman, decided we should retire, quickly, as not to upset the poor guy further! I think we laughed for the rest of the day! My friend (the Volvo guy I've mentioned before) told me about his present car's queer behavior - also due to misbehaving computers: It has modern, high-tech 'intelligent' wipers, that when you used the wipers and sprayed water on the windshield, after a delay of fa few seconds does a pair of extra wipes, to collect any remaining drops. Very intelligent and all that, but now the car do those extra wipes randomly, when it pleases. Scared the hell out of him the first time, and you can't turn it off, of course! But now he feels it's part of owning a Volvo :-)! I told him of other people's cars that randomly turns on their horns !!! That is worse! -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hayward <pdh_at_mmcl.co.nz> To: 'Tord' <tord_at_mindless.com> Cc: paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:26 pm Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Toyota Problems > on my Toyota the radio and the cigarette lighter are > switched off by the ignition key - pretty silly! > While the headlights are not Back in the 50's, car radios worked without the ignition keys - good for leaving the kids in the car (before political correctness ;-). I think too many people ran the battery down - leaving the radio on - so that had to change. Cigarette lighters developed the same bad habits when radar snoopers came along. In a modern car, a flat battery could be avoided by simply having a 15-minute delayed power-off for these circuits. My (10 yo) Subaru kills its head-lights and parking lights unless I activate a separate 'leave me on' switch. N's Peugeot is super-clever - it turns on the headlights for her when it's dark and turns them off 10 seconds after engine-off - so she can find the front door keyhole... Perhaps not so good if you're doing 100kph one night and have to overcome an insane computer ;-) Best power design decision I ever saw was my old Peugeot 405's ability to continue to operate the electric windows & sunroof when the interior light (dome-light) was on. Countless times I had the engine off and keys in my hand - only to bless this feature as I tidied up a window that had been left down. Also good if you left a passenger in the car and took the keys with you. There wasn't any security problem with activating the windows or roof, as if the light was on, it meant a door had to be open already. Worst one was in a Benz that my dad bought in the 70's. They put all 4 windows and the roof on one under-sized fuse - which blew if you activated them all at once... We proved that one day when a flash storm came over and we got a free rinse. Being a young (and entirely too brash) engineer, I suggested to the MB Service Manager in Tampa that this wasn't a good example of superior German engineering. I bet you can imagine how sympathetic he was ;-) Best Regards Paul Hayward, Auckland, New Zealand *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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Intended Kayak Content: My Nordkapp suffers from stability control issues with stability correction kicking in too late: apparently Consumer Report has issued a rare "Do not buy" warning. There is also a tendency toward unintended sudden acceleration in the presence of Sirens, often leading to collisions is congested areas. Local authorities have also noted in particular, one out-of-control Nordkapp over the last couple of decades. DL *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Doug Lloyd" > My Nordkapp suffers from stability control issues with stability correction kicking in too late: Ha! Why that's nothing, My SKUK (NDK) Romany is a positive death trap. Just look at how it bounces out of control. Video's about a third of the way down the page. http://victoriakayaker.blogspot.com/2010/03/doubt.html I was going to bring forth a class action suit, but all I have left is a double breasted haring bone tweed. Gordin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I think you'd have to sue the ocean! On 4/15/2010 2:56 PM, Gordin Warner wrote: > > http://victoriakayaker.blogspot.com/2010/03/doubt.html > > > I was going to bring forth a class action suit, but all I have left is > a double breasted haring bone tweed. > > Gordin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I tried to tell Gordin that all that NDK/SKUK talk was just hype and to buy a real kayak, but no, he had to go and buy and now cry... Speaking of suing the ocean, anyone know why all these grey whales are dying off our coast? I certainly know it wasn't Gordin hitting them on the head. DL I think you'd have to sue the ocean! On 4/15/2010 2:56 PM, Gordin Warner wrote: > > http://victoriakayaker.blogspot.com/2010/03/doubt.html > > > I was going to bring forth a class action suit, but all I have left is > a double breasted haring bone tweed. > > Gordin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Grey whales are just blue whales that are very sick, and that is why they are dying. Brad Quoting Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>: > I tried to tell Gordin that all that NDK/SKUK talk was just hype and to buy > a real kayak, but no, he had to go and buy and now cry... > > Speaking of suing the ocean, anyone know why all these grey whales are dying > off our coast? I certainly know it wasn't Gordin hitting them on the head. > > DL > > > I think you'd have to sue the ocean! > > On 4/15/2010 2:56 PM, Gordin Warner wrote: >> >> http://victoriakayaker.blogspot.com/2010/03/doubt.html >> >> >> I was going to bring forth a class action suit, but all I have left is >> a double breasted haring bone tweed. >> >> Gordin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
But I thought blue whales were grey whales that had held their breath underwater too long... DL Brad said: Grey whales are just blue whales that are very sick, and that is why they are dying. Brad Quoting Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>: > I tried to tell Gordin that all that NDK/SKUK talk was just hype and to buy > a real kayak, but no, he had to go and buy and now cry... > > Speaking of suing the ocean, anyone know why all these grey whales are dying > off our coast? I certainly know it wasn't Gordin hitting them on the head. > > DL > > > I think you'd have to sue the ocean! > > On 4/15/2010 2:56 PM, Gordin Warner wrote: >> >> http://victoriakayaker.blogspot.com/2010/03/doubt.html >> >> >> I was going to bring forth a class action suit, but all I have left is >> a double breasted haring bone tweed. >> >> Gordin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
My guess is that gray whales who hold their breathe underwater too long ae known as dead blue whales, and blue whales that get sick and turn gray and die are known as dead gray whales. But it's only a hunch. Brad Quoting Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>: > But I thought blue whales were grey whales that had held their breath > underwater too long... > > DL > > Brad said: > Grey whales are just blue whales that are very sick, and > that is why they are dying. > > Brad > > Quoting Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>: > >> I tried to tell Gordin that all that NDK/SKUK talk was just hype and to > buy >> a real kayak, but no, he had to go and buy and now cry... >> >> Speaking of suing the ocean, anyone know why all these grey whales are > dying >> off our coast? I certainly know it wasn't Gordin hitting them on the head. >> >> DL >> >> >> I think you'd have to sue the ocean! >> >> On 4/15/2010 2:56 PM, Gordin Warner wrote: >>> >>> http://victoriakayaker.blogspot.com/2010/03/doubt.html >>> >>> >>> I was going to bring forth a class action suit, but all I have left is >>> a double breasted haring bone tweed. >>> >>> Gordin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Gordin Warner <gwarner2_at_shaw.ca> wrote > > I was going to bring forth a class action suit, but all I have left is a > double breasted haring bone tweed. > > That would have been a low class, action suit, huh? :D Nice vid. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"Gordin Warner" gwarner2_at_shaw.ca wrote: >>>>From: "Doug Lloyd" > My Nordkapp suffers from stability control issues with stability correction kicking in too late: Ha! Why that's nothing, My SKUK (NDK) Romany is a positive death trap. Just look at how it bounces out of control. Video's about a third of the way down the page. http://victoriakayaker.blogspot.com/2010/03/doubt.html <<<<<<<<< The worst thing was the ear splitting and frequent "toggle clacks". How do you stand them? The kayak seemed stable in the extremely, but the horizon was sure tipping around. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "MATT MARINER BROZE" > The worst thing was the ear splitting and frequent "toggle clacks". How do you > stand them? The kayak seemed stable in the extremely, but the horizon was > sure > tipping around. The really loud toggle clack near the beginning is me accidentally smacking the camera with my paddle as I was throwing in an emergency brace. What I didn't know was that I broke the epoxy bond to the camera case when I smacked it. When I got ashore the case came off in my hand. It was tethered to the boat but how it stayed on the mount is beyond me. I kind of like the toggle clacks. It's really neat when you catch a good wave and the toggle starts a rat a tat tat as you surf down the face. I've got a friend you paddles one of those awful Valley boats and his toggle hangs on single line and does the same thing. When ever I hear it I know he's flying along grinning like a mad man. Gordin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
G'Day Gordin, Never paddled one yet but whets wrong with those "awful Valley boats"? Is it just the clack? Some of my friends have been paddling Nordkapps, Aquanauts, Avocets and North Shore Atlantics and seem to be doing well. They even claim the Valley boats are better than my Pittarak, hard to imagine I know but that is their claim. The North Shore Atlantic which is now produced by Valley I believe, has the reputation for being a good all purpose boat and looks well made and fitted out, I might even be persuaded to try one if my Pittarak ever wears out. All the best, PeterO. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Toggle clack is one of the great embarrassments of the modern kayaking age, only recently addressed with new little bungie cord engineering tweaks. The issue of twisting toggle-cause finger injury issues however, remain a multi-national wide travesty that apparently, few bloggers have identified for open discussion. Who knew that such an innocent looking 2 1/2 inch piece of molded plastic might be the undoing of such a fine pastime as sea kayaking? Keep your toggles in check, gentleman! Okay, I gotta go pack... DL From: "MATT MARINER BROZE" > The worst thing was the ear splitting and frequent "toggle clacks". How do you > stand them? The kayak seemed stable in the extremely, but the horizon was > sure > tipping around. The really loud toggle clack near the beginning is me accidentally smacking the camera with my paddle as I was throwing in an emergency brace. What I didn't know was that I broke the epoxy bond to the camera case when I smacked it. When I got ashore the case came off in my hand. It was tethered to the boat but how it stayed on the mount is beyond me. I kind of like the toggle clacks. It's really neat when you catch a good wave and the toggle starts a rat a tat tat as you surf down the face. I've got a friend you paddles one of those awful Valley boats and his toggle hangs on single line and does the same thing. When ever I hear it I know he's flying along grinning like a mad man. Gordin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"Doug Lloyd" <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: >>>>>>I tried to tell Gordin that all that NDK/SKUK talk was just hype and to buy a real kayak, but no, he had to go and buy and now cry... Speaking of suing the ocean, anyone know why all these grey whales are dying off our coast? I certainly know it wasn't Gordin hitting them on the head.<<<<<< A simialar question was posed on the news last night. Apparently, the fifth Gray Whale was found dead in Puget Sound the other day. Several days ago one news program had footage of a pod of Orcas violently ramming and attacking a Gray Whale in Puget Sound someplace. Apparently a pack of non-resident Orcas (eats things besides salmon--kayakers with good taste beware) Oare in the sound now. My understanding is that Killer Whales find Gray Whale tongue very tasty but don't bother with eating the rest of the whale. I don't suppose Gray Whales live real long after being seriously mauled with body blows and then de-tongued. Somebody needs to have a talk with those non-PC Orcas about their wasteful ways. As a kid I saw a Gray Whale nearly stranded in the surf on the Washington Coast. While wondering aloud why it was so close to the beach my question was suddenly answered when a six foot tall black dorsal fine stuck (at about 45 degrees) out of a large breaker peaking to break just a little further out from shore from the nearly beached Gray. There may be other reasons for the die off, but I'll put my money on those residents of Canada that came down here looking for some tongue. Where did you say you hail from Doug? Hope those Orcas don't discover kayakers are crunchy (or rubbery) on the outside but tasty on the inside. There is that missing kayaker (and as far as I know never found) off Lime Kiln Point severak years ago. He had been last seen paddling with some Orcas around. George wanted to write it up as possibly the first known Orca attack on a kayaker but I pointed out given the lack of any further evidence that was a pretty wild conjecture. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:10 PM, MATT MARINER BROZE <marinerkayaks_at_msn.com>wrote: > Apparently a pack of non-resident Orcas > (eats things besides salmon--kayakers with good taste beware) Oare in the > sound now. ................... <snip>...................... I'll put my > money on those > residents of Canada that came down here looking for some tongue. > There has been considerable speculation that the non-resident Orcas (and they aren't Canadian...but live in the cold Pacific Ocean waters) are a different species. Orca researchers say that there is little social interaction and no cross breeding between the resident Orcas (both Canadian and US) and these outer-water whales. The outer-waters whales are much meaner and more violent than the ones we generally get to see. I think Matt is right about the Gray Whale deaths. Since no one has ever accused me of having good taste I'm not so worried. Between that and my general paddling areas 170 miles east (and 1000 feet higher) than where they generally swim I'm pretty sure I'll be ok. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Makes sense. I think the outer water predators are not as picky when something edible comes by. On 4/15/2010 11:02 PM, Craig Jungers wrote: > The outer-waters whales are much meaner and more violent than the ones we > generally get to see. I think Matt is right about the Gray Whale deaths. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sorry Peter, That "awful" comment was totally tongue in cheek as was Doug Lloyds cheeky remark about NDK. It's part of that weird Canadian humour (humor for my American cousins) thing. Personally I think the Valley boats are pretty darn good lawn ornaments. They beat a rusty car any day. Just ask any kayaker living in Langford. ;-) Oh, they're all right to paddle as well. Gordin ----- Original Message ----- From: "PeterO" <rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com> To: "'Gordin Warner'" <gwarner2_at_shaw.ca>; "'MATT MARINER BROZE'" <marinerkayaks_at_msn.com>; "'Paddlewise'" <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:23 PM Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Kayak Problems > G'Day Gordin, > > Never paddled one yet but whets wrong with those "awful Valley boats"? Is > it > just the clack? Some of my friends have been paddling Nordkapps, > Aquanauts, > Avocets and North Shore Atlantics and seem to be doing well. They even > claim the Valley boats are better than my Pittarak, hard to imagine I know > but that is their claim. The North Shore Atlantic which is now produced by > Valley I believe, has the reputation for being a good all purpose boat and > looks well made and fitted out, I might even be persuaded to try one if my > Pittarak ever wears out. > > All the best, PeterO. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Lots of cheeky monkeys on this listserver group so I'm surprised PeterO missed that, Gordin. But it's all good; SKUK and Valley boats both rock, though apparently Mariners rock less - which in a good thing, depending on what type of rocking we're talking about. The Valley boats certainly have a fine pedigree that only a dweeb would fail to acknowledge. I may head over to Vancouver next week and check out Ecomarine as they have the Northshore kayaks in stock as well as the new Quebec-based Malestrom kayaks, the later being very fun, maneuverably responsive boat designs indeed, which is the way I want to head (even if it is just to keep Jerry happy). :-) http://ckayaker.blogspot.com/2009/08/maelstroms-vaag-174.html I rather think I'm too picky when it comes to my perfect kayak, but I strive on toward the perfect compromise design. If I can find the perfect hull, I can deal with the rest of my requirements easily enough - requirements and desires that include a pod cockpit, through the middle bulkhead hatch, no exposed rear and foredeck hatch, dual skegs, etc. I certainly want cockpit ergonomics that so far, few companies have addressed for out-on-the-edge, hard core interfacing with the ocean. And while the Nordkapp LV has a potentially great hull for my proclivities, the cockpit sucks. I'd even say it was dangerous. The Rockpool-inspired ergonomics are far superior, though the old ocean cockpits could be modified to keep the paddler ensconced where they belong and allow dual knee raising. I also think most kayak hulls are pretty poor in terms of durability. Guys n' gals make all kinds of claims about glass over ply or glass over strip, etc, propriety layups, but really, the higher end Tiderace hulls are the only ones anyone make even coming close to what I want. And so it goes. As for the next few days, I won't be thinking too much about these things. My used, beater Nordcrapp I recently bought is nice and light, easy to carry, uncomplicated, isn't outfitted or built well enough to permit seeking anything wild right now, so I'll do some normal, easy kayaking. Normal is okay for a time. There is a time for everything under heaven, you may have heard. Doug Lloyd Gordin replied: Sorry Peter, That "awful" comment was totally tongue in cheek as was Doug Lloyds cheeky remark about NDK. It's part of that weird Canadian humour (humor for my American cousins) thing. Personally I think the Valley boats are pretty darn good lawn ornaments. They beat a rusty car any day. Just ask any kayaker living in Langford. ;-) Oh, they're all right to paddle as well. Gordin > G'Day Gordin, > > Never paddled one yet but whets wrong with those "awful Valley boats"? Is > it > just the clack? Some of my friends have been paddling Nordkapps, > Aquanauts, > Avocets and North Shore Atlantics and seem to be doing well. They even > claim the Valley boats are better than my Pittarak, hard to imagine I know > but that is their claim. The North Shore Atlantic which is now produced by > Valley I believe, has the reputation for being a good all purpose boat and > looks well made and fitted out, I might even be persuaded to try one if my > Pittarak ever wears out. > > All the best, PeterO. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Jen Kleck at Aqua Adventures in San Diego has a very rare model of these boats you might want to check out! I've heard you'd better wear a sea sock, though, if you want to play in one!!! http://www.sandmarks.net/graphics/FunBoat.jpg Mark On 4/16/2010 10:17 PM, Doug Lloyd wrote: > I may head over to Vancouver next week and check out..the new Quebec-based Malestrom > kayaks...being very fun, maneuverably responsive boat designs... > > http://ckayaker.blogspot.com/2009/08/maelstroms-vaag-174.html *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
G'Day Gordin, Doug and all, Nowww I understand! That'll teach me to drop in on a thread halfway through! My mother in Law says when I get too old to paddle the sea she'll put a boat in the backyard and let me happily paddle on the lawn - but no rolling or surfing - bad for the daisies! All the best, PeterO -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net] On Behalf Of Gordin Warner Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2010 1:53 PM To: PeterO; 'MATT MARINER BROZE'; 'Paddlewise' Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak Problems Sorry Peter, That "awful" comment was totally tongue in cheek as was Doug Lloyds cheeky remark about NDK. It's part of that weird Canadian humour (humor for my American cousins) thing. Personally I think the Valley boats are pretty darn good lawn ornaments. They beat a rusty car any day. Just ask any kayaker living in Langford. ;-) Oh, they're all right to paddle as well. Gordin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:27 AM, PeterO <rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com>wrote: > > Nowww I understand! That'll teach me to drop in on a thread halfway > through! > My mother in Law says when I get too old to paddle the sea she'll put a > boat > in the backyard and let me happily paddle on the lawn - but no rolling or > surfing - bad for the daisies! > Rolling is a LOT easier on the lawn than it is in water; especially rough water. Ask her to plant the daisies in a different spot. :) Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA www.nwkayaking.net PS: Many years ago I wanted to do a photo essay on kayaking the wild rivers of Baja. The essay would include hiding out behind boulders, eddying out, and rolling. Of course, most of you know that, at least most of the time, there are no wild rivers in Baja. :P cj *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
HA! Slow S&_at_^$_at_^$ eh? I bet that's the problem. Carey On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > Intended Kayak Content: > > My Nordkapp suffers from stability control issues with stability correction > kicking in too late: apparently Consumer Report has issued a rare "Do not > buy" warning. > > There is also a tendency toward unintended sudden acceleration in the > presence of Sirens, often leading to collisions is congested areas. > > Local authorities have also noted in particular, one out-of-control > Nordkapp > over the last couple of decades. -- http://parkswhistles.com/ http://www.facebook.com/carey.parks http://twitter.com/LuthierCarey *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
You wrote: "So historically, we haven't needed to kill all power in the vehicle - just stop the engine; which we can do by killing the power to the sparkplugs or (if it's a diesel) shutting off the fuel supply. I would love to hear from anybody with a vehicle (old or new) which doesn't do one or both of those when you turn off the ignition switch!" I'd say that most older heavy diesel-powered vehicles run for a long, long time if you turn off the power before you hit the stop button, as the fuel injector pump sits on the engine itself, and continue to suck fuel as long as it can - not good for the pump, as the boost pump in the tank is off, so the engine might run lean, which can lead to engine overheating. So the stop button activates a shut-off valve, that electro-mechanically turns off the fuel, quickly starving the engine of fuel. The older Volvos has a switch that operates more like a car's ignition keys, first shutting off the fuel, then cutting the power, while newer ones has an arrangement like MAN's. Tord *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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