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From: Tord <tord_at_mindless.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] [PaddleWise] The High Cost of Kayaking
Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 11:47:19 -0400
Seems any hobby tends to get expensive, no matter if it
is photography, traveling, model flying, paddling, sailing,
cooking, wining or dining.

But you can do many hobbies on a minimalist budget,
but it is really in your mind set how expensive you allow it
to become.

Through the years I probably have spent more than 4.000 (US dollars)
on cameras (over 35 years); over 15.000 on paddling and camping gear
(two Klepper hulls, four tents for artic conditions, and various 
sundries, like
Chillcheater gear, PFDs, VHF & GPS, five stoves, skis, and so on -
spread over 40+ years).

Somewhat less (not much less) on model aircraft, R/C gear, and such 
stuff.
Happily I've spent nil on drugs and tobacco, and about USD 40.000 on
cars (I was a late starter), excluding fuel & service. A little less on
motorbikes, women & amplifiers, electronics, computers & DVDs.

Art materials & glider lessons, which both have been delightful, takes 
up
much less. Books & magazines, through the years, have been a big post,
as has computer programs been (for Risc-OS, Mac OS X, Windows),
together with computers, & computer sundries, like routers & hard discs.

Tools (metalworking, woodworking, specialist tools & others) has taken 
up
quite budget as well - what would an old motorbike be without tools?!

Looking back I'd say that I've worn down computers and cameras (I've 
owned
over ten over the years, many of them still around somewhere), lost a 
lot of
pens and pencils (love my Mount Blanc - close to USD 500!).

Sadly, never mastered programming, or higher mathematics, nor playing
musical instruments - I have tried, my god how I've tried! Never got my
gliders license (my military service ended before I had finished): 
that's
in the to-do column!

All of this non-essential, but have given me a richer, more fulfilling, 
life!

Sketching with pen and paper is probably one of the cheaper hobbies
you can have, while watercolor doesn't mix too well with paddling, nor
trekking in mosquito-infested areas - sadly I know only too well!

When I was young I formulated a theory that anything that cost 20 
kronor,
or less, per hour was worth it (that was approximately what a visit
to the movies cost, per hour - today that would be about 12 dollars).

I have to do a lot more paddling to reach that figure, and it is hard
to set a price on cameras per hour, but I sure has spent thousands
of hours photographing, and editing photos.

Computers, and probably cars, are in that ball park, art material far
cheaper, and our Playstation 3 surely is cheap, per hour, as are
most computer games - some fit you like a glove, so you're below
a dollar an hour, some you don't take to.

Concerts, theater, and opera are way beyond the normal rate for
OK stuff, but an occasional mistake is allowed :-)!

So to me paddling, and live performances, are luxuries, while
the rest just has enriched my life!

The worst buy I ever did was an extreme macro lens, that could
only be used for extreme macro photography - thus you needed
an array of lamps and other stuff I couldn't afford then - so a total
economic, and logistic, failure, while the very best, without doubt,
was a choclate cake that I gave to a woman at work, when she
was desperate for something sweet - we've now been married
for over seven years .-)!

Tord
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] [PaddleWise] The High Cost of Kayaking
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 10:38:04 -0700
I used to think woodworking was cheap (make your own furniture and
cabinets...any tool budget is well worth it) but then Lee Valley opened a
store near my house with a plethora of toolage and gadgets and stuff; now my
spouse shudders when she hears I'm headed down to Lee Valley. Likewise, I
used to think gardening was inexpensive. Well, Yvonne loves perennial
flowers and they do add up, without even mentioning her addiction to
annuals. Yvonne came with me to Lee Valley one day to monitor my purchasing.
They sell gardening tools there, beautiful gardening tools. Now I shudder
when my wife heads down to Lee Valley! I have to tag along to monitor her
purchasing.

Regardless, the sea kayak remains the people's yacht. When I was in
Vancouver at Ecomarine I asked a man and his wife if one of them could take
a picture of me, with me in the new kayak. The man agreed. I mentioned that
my spouse disapproved of the $5000.00 I needed for a new custom boat but a
picture of me smiling in it might be a conversation starter with her at some
point. He asked how much, then went "hmmmm" before mentioning he was there
to look at a $200,000.00 yacht and try and get his wife "on board." I think
kayaking is waaaay cheaper. And like Duane and many others, you can even
build your own fleet of kayaks cheaply. 

Doug Lloyd  

Tord said:

Snip >Seems any hobby tends to get expensive, no matter if it
is photography, traveling, model flying, paddling, sailing,
cooking, wining or dining.

But you can do many hobbies on a minimalist budget,
but it is really in your mind set how expensive you allow it
to become.<
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From: PeterO <rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] [PaddleWise] The High Cost of Kayaking
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:28:48 +1000
Doug wrote:
>He asked how much, then went "hmmmm" before mentioning he was there
>to look at a $200,000.00 yacht and try and get his wife "on board." 
>I think kayaking is waaaay cheaper. And like Duane and many others, 
>you can even build your own fleet of kayaks cheaply. 

G'Day Doug and all,

Not only way cheaper in dollar terms but yachting seems to use a lot of time
to keep the boat maintained and a fair bit just to get it on the water.
Years ago I had a choice between buying a yacht or a kayak. But I was very
time poor so the kayak won hands down. No regrets whatsoever at that
decision!

All the best, PeterO
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From: Duane Strosaker <strosaker_at_yahoo.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] [PaddleWise] The High Cost of Kayaking
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:46:51 -0700 (PDT)
Paddlewisers,

In a kayak you are more intimate with the water, but in a yacht, you have a much better chance to get intimate with something else. It's a careful cost/benefit analysis.

Duane


--- On Sun, 5/2/10, PeterO <rebyl_kayak_at_energysustained.com> wrote:
> Not only way cheaper in dollar terms but yachting seems to
> use a lot of time
> to keep the boat maintained and a fair bit just to get it
> on the water.
> Years ago I had a choice between buying a yacht or a kayak.
> But I was very
> time poor so the kayak won hands down. No regrets
> whatsoever at that
> decision!
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From: Tord <tord_at_mindless.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] [PaddleWise] The High Cost of Kayaking
Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 03:16:31 -0400
Maintaining big boats cost a lot, both timewise,
and often money-wise (if you're really rich you can let
someone else do the crewing and maintaining, but that's
not an option for most of us).

Just to find a place to store the darn thing during the
winter months can be a chore - and then to find a
nice little harbour with a space for you is equally a
task not for the feeble-hearted. Many harbours here have
a waiting list of 5-10 years, and then you have to do
your part of the guard-keeping before that!

In short: boat-owning can turn into a full-time occupation!

Tord

=============================
 PeterO wrote:

"
Doug wrote:
>He asked how much, then went "hmmmm" before mentioning he was there
>to look at a $200,000.00 yacht and try and get his wife "on board."
>I think kayaking is waaaay cheaper. And like Duane and many others,
>you can even build your own fleet of kayaks cheaply.

G'Day Doug and all,

Not only way cheaper in dollar terms but yachting seems to use a lot of 
time
to keep the boat maintained and a fair bit just to get it on the water.
Years ago I had a choice between buying a yacht or a kayak. But I was 
very
time poor so the kayak won hands down. No regrets whatsoever at that
decision!"
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] [PaddleWise] The High Cost of Kayaking
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 11:32:19 -0700
Doug... before you shell out $5k for a kayak you should at least paddle
someone's F-1. There are at least 3 or 4 of them on Vancouver Island.

It's a sad day when husband and wife shop together only to ensure that
neither spends too much money. But at least you can shop in the same store.
:)

Craig

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote:

> I used to think woodworking was cheap (make your own furniture and
> cabinets...any tool budget is well worth it) but then Lee Valley opened a
> store near my house with a plethora of toolage and gadgets and stuff; now
> my
> spouse shudders when she hears I'm headed down to Lee Valley. Likewise, I
> used to think gardening was inexpensive. Well, Yvonne loves perennial
> flowers and they do add up, without even mentioning her addiction to
> annuals. Yvonne came with me to Lee Valley one day to monitor my
> purchasing.
> They sell gardening tools there, beautiful gardening tools. Now I shudder
> when my wife heads down to Lee Valley! I have to tag along to monitor her
> purchasing.
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