Hello all, There have been some interesting discussions here about group dynamics in paddling. One situation I have wanted to discuss in more depth is one of John Winter's trips that was very briefly discussed on WaveLength where, because of Tim Ingram's uhmm... hysteria, there was no chance of delving further into the group dynamics and conducting an objective discussion in that forum. Some of you may remember Tim's continual reference to the trip as "John's suicide pact" (or something like that). Anyhow, I found that group's agreement and decision interesting and worthy of further exploration. Because Tim created an environment on WaveLength which rendered this topic so untouchable, I contacted John and asked if he had any objections to my reviving the discussion here on PaddleWise as part of an open discussion on group dynamics and he has graciously agreed to discuss that trip here. I'm sure I don't have all the facts but basically, as I *think* I understand it, the conditions were severe and each member in John's group agreed to paddle the conditions and not accept help from or come to the aid of any of the others in the group. I know this sounds simplistic but this is all I could gather from comments on WaveLength. In a sense, each paddler agreed that from the launch point, each paddler would be paddling alone. My first question would be why was it important to proceed with the paddle in spite of the adverse conditions. My second concern would be that even though I might understand the decision of a skilled paddler to paddle alone in adverse conditions realizing the risks and trusting their own skill level, I'm not sure I could be convinced that another paddler would stick to such an agreement if I ended up in trouble. I asked John if he might share his story here in this forum. I know he couldn't do that on WaveLength (though he tried) but I think it's probably safe here. Afterall, we *did* constructively cover the most controversial topic of sponsons here! :-) I think there are many different situations in group paddling that could present interesting, informative and educational discussions here that others have successfully solved while others of us have not quite yet figured the solutions and could benefit greatly from the experience and suggestions of others. Cheers, Jackie _ _ _ _ _ \\ / \0/ \ / \0/ \ \\ " " `\ ,sSSs,\, )\w/( ,sSS..)/{) <<..> sSSS_v)/ \ )<*> sSS[(\_]___\ <(_/_o_o_ 'sS[_`-+---+) \----+-------+-------'---`-----\-------------') ~~~~~~~ ~~jf ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~\~ ~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ o \ o \\ o o \\ o o ` (\ o o >jf:-) o (/ o ----- End Included Message ----- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************Received on Wed Feb 25 1998 - 17:59:22 PST
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