I was just out today working on C & C rolls. I was wondering if most use this type of roll or a sweep roll of if you have a preference depending on conditions. What about hand rolling? Alice *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 98-02-22 19:58:29 EST, wildoats_at_ionet.net writes: << I was just out today working on C & C rolls. I was wondering if most use this type of roll or a sweep roll of if you have a preference depending on conditions. What about hand rolling? >> For sea kayaking and kayak surfing I depend heavily on a sweep roll. I learned to roll with a pawlata roll which I still resort to when I absolutely have to come up right now! The pawlata has so much leverage to it that I can pretty much roll up anything with it, including sit-on-tops. I understand the C to C is popular with whitewater, but in the ocean I have not found any advantages to it, and the screw roll has developed into my default roll. I have resorted to the hand roll a couple of times while screwing around in the surf and I lost my paddle, but I really consider it more of a stunt then an actual recovery technique. Scott So.Cal. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
KiAyker_at_aol.com wrote: > .... I learned > to roll with a pawlata roll which I still resort to when I absolutely have to > come up right now! The pawlata has so much leverage to it that I can pretty > much roll up anything with it, including sit-on-tops. Would it be possible to roll a folding single with that roll? Has anyone tried it? ---------------------------------------- Michael J Edelman mje_at_mich.com http://www.mich.com/~mje http://www.mich.com/~mje/kayak.html http://www.mich.com/~mje/scope.html *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
When I first learned to roll, it was the sweep. I have noticed that kayakers are split evenly over which roll is easiest to learn first. Some people find the C to C roll easier, although I don't know why. In general, I think the C to C lends itself towards a stronger hipsnap, while the sweep roll is better in turbulent or rough water and when speed is of the essence. Both types of rolls work just fine, as the advantages/disadvantages are relatively minor. The absolutely key aspect is to use whichever roll works best for you and is the most reliable. Ultimately, I recommend using a combination sweep and C to C roll once one roll has been mastered. This combines the power of the C to C with the speed of the sweep. In particular, I think it gives the paddler the most control during the instant when an upright state is achieved. This can be important if in the middle of a rapid or very rough ocean conditions such as surf zones. I think hands rolls are also a valuable skill. Sometimes your paddle can break or be removed from your grasp, and a roll is ALWAYS preferable to a swim and a rescue. Also, if your handroll is solid, you might gain the confidence to go hand-paddling in the surf (small) or the river, which is VERY good for skill building. Finally, developing a good handroll also means developing a good hipsnap -- another critical aspect of developing that bomproof roll. kevin /--------------------------------------------\ /---------------------------\ |Something there is that doesn't love a wall | Kevin Whilden | |That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it | kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu | |And spills the upper boulders in the sun | Dept. of Geologic Science | |And makes gaps that even two can pass abreast| University of Washington | | -- Robert Frost |(206)543-1975(w) 632-5140(h)| \--------------------------------------------/ \---------------------------/ On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, wildwater wrote: > I was just out today working on C & C rolls. I was wondering if > most use this type of roll or a sweep roll of if you have a > preference depending on conditions. What about hand rolling? > > Alice > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 00:02 23/02/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >KiAyker_at_aol.com wrote: > >> .... I learned >> to roll with a pawlata roll which I still resort to when I absolutely have to >> come up right now! The pawlata has so much leverage to it that I can pretty >> much roll up anything with it, including sit-on-tops. > >Would it be possible to roll a folding single with that roll? Has anyone tried it? > >---------------------------------------- >Michael J Edelman mje_at_mich.com >http://www.mich.com/~mje >http://www.mich.com/~mje/kayak.html >http://www.mich.com/~mje/scope.html I learned to roll with a combination of pool and lagoon sessions. My first few rools were in Dancers and polo bats. My first few rolls in salt water were in a Feathercraft K1 Elite which is a folding single. I used the Pawlata roll then and for several months after. As I gain proficiency in each style of roll in my slender rigid kayak, I try that style in the Feathercraft. For anyone who is proficient in forward and reverse screw rolls, Pawlata and Steyr, storm and vertical storm rolls, C-to-C, and vertical sculling rolls, I'd say the Feathercraft takes only a little more effort. Try both sides. The boat will confirm your perception of proficiency! As long as you have a good enough grip on the boat, with your feet, thighs, hips and lower back, it should be possible to roll any kayak. If you can hand-roll a folding single of any type, please let us know. We need something to aim for. Any hints on low-brace rolls? Doug Simpson of Feathercraft uses a low-brace roll to reenter and roll in his Khatsalano assembly video. Andrew *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Mon, Feb 23, 1998 at 06:55:32AM -0600, wildwater wrote: > I was just out today working on C & C rolls. I was wondering if > most use this type of roll or a sweep roll of if you have a > preference depending on conditions. What about hand rolling? I use the C-to-C roll because: 1. It's easiest on my shoulders 2. It protects my face while I'm upside-down 3. It does not require shifting my grip on the paddle 4. It leaves me in a position where I'm ready to take the next paddle stroke *or* set up to roll again if I blow it. I *strongly* recommend the C-to-C roll for whitewater paddling. My hand roll (which I still can't do reliably on the left, darn it!) is a C-to-C but I end up a little bit further stretched out toward the back deck; one of the things that I'm working on is decreasing that. ---Rsk Rich Kulawiec rsk_at_gsp.org *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>I was just out today working on C & C rolls. I was wondering if >most use this type of roll or a sweep roll of if you have a >preference depending on conditions. What about hand rolling? > >Alice > I'm about ready to try dinner rolls! After 5 (or is it 6) lessons - y'all must have heard my tales of nonrolling woe by now - still no roll. However, I am now awesome at hanging upside down in the water and contemplating the meaning of life, since there's no point trying to figure out what do with the paddle. It doesn't seem to make any difference anyway ;) I have been shown and have tried so many different rolls that I don't know one from the other any more. I need to find one that looks right to me and just gently refuse to let anyone teach me their favorite, just stick with one, whether it's 'ideal' or not, till I get it. Thee's a pool session with the Victoria Canoe and kayak Club this Saturday. This could be it! (snicker) Diane, hopeless at rolling *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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