While this post isn't about paddling per se, it directly relates to paddling. I want to rig up something that will allow me to carry two 18 ft kayaks on an 16ft skiff - perhaps at gunwale height and just outboard of the gunwales. If anybody has done something like this, please let me know the details. I realize that the idea of using a boat to move kayaks may sound a bit ridiculous to some, but power boats serve the same function in this area that cars do in most places..... Thanks, Dave (happily stuck in a place where the nearest neighboring town can only be reached by boat or plane) David Seng / david_at_wainet.com Wostmann & Associates / phone - 907.586.6167 223 Seward St. / fax - 907.586.2996 Juneau, Alaska 99801 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I agree that towing the kayaks would make sense behind a relatively slow sailboat, but have my doubts about how well they would tow behind a skiff traveling 20-30 mph. Just don't think that even lashed together that they would travel very well - kayaks just aren't designed with these types of speeds in mind - at least that's my theory right now. May have to give this a try, though. Thanks. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Geo. Bergeron [SMTP:heritage_at_europa.com] > Sent: Monday, March 09, 1998 7:58 PM > To: David Seng > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Carrying kayaks in a boat > > Washburne notes that in the Puget Sound area most kayaks get > towed > behind the sailboats. Sometimes it's nice to have a rigid pole > separating > the boats. Also, you need a waterproof deck cover so that the yak > doesn't > take on the waves or fill if/when it rolls. It should be easy to set > up a > pair of yaks with separator struts and then tow them in tandem behind > the > skiff. Seems silly to try putting the longer yaks on the shorter > skiff. > > > At 11:14 AM 3/9/98 -0900, you wrote: > >While this post isn't about paddling per se, it directly relates to > >paddling. > >I want to rig up something that will allow me to carry two 18 ft > kayaks > >on an 16ft skiff - perhaps at gunwale height and just outboard of the > >gunwales...... *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
David Seng wrote: > I agree that towing the kayaks would make sense behind a relatively slow > sailboat, but have my doubts about how well they would tow behind a > skiff traveling 20-30 mph. Just don't think that even lashed together > that they would travel very well - kayaks just aren't designed with > these types of speeds in mind... Kayaks are displacement hulls. Above hull speed (which is something like an average of 1.5x sqrt(waterline length in feet)) they have to plane, and kayak hulls are very unstable planing- they'll tumble and spin. But a 16' yak should be good for around 6 knots- same as when paddling. ---------------------------------------------------------- Michael Edelman http://www.mich.com/~mje Telescope guide: http://www.mich.com/~mje/scope.html Folding Kayaks: http://www.mich.com/~mje/kayak.html Airguns: http://www.mich.com/~mje/airguns.html *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Interesting.....I hadn't given much thought to this arrangement - this might be an answer for short trips. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: volinjo_at_juno.com [SMTP:volinjo_at_juno.com] > Sent: Monday, March 09, 1998 6:09 PM > To: David Seng > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Carrying kayaks in a boat > > last summer we brought our kayaks out to an island campsite in Lake > George. we wanted them for paddling, but they wouldn't have been > adequate for our main transportation on a lake the size of Lake > George, > so we rented a 16' motorboat & lashed the 2 kayaks to the deck to > bring > them out to the island. we still had room for the two of us and a lot > of > our gear (although i have to admit that we did have to make a second > trip > out with the rest of the gear, but then, we tend to pack heavy...) we > used rope and put the kayaks on their sides on the deck. the kayaks > were > about 14.5' and 16' long. > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> -----Original Message----- > From: Jack_Martin_at_jtif.webfld.navy.mil > [SMTP:Jack_Martin_at_jtif.webfld.navy.mil] > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 6:37 AM > To: David Seng > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Carrying kayaks in a boat > > >>Interesting problem. For what it's worth --- and I suspect my > suggestion is <not> going to be satisfactory...<< > snip of interesting idea > > >> Getting more creative here, could you rig two long Yak bars > (expensive) or two one inch steel pipes (cheap) athwartship --- > using > either Yakima "gutter" mounts locked down onto the "artificial > gutter" > plates that they sell (expensive but easily removed) or by less > easily > removed "U" bolts (cheaper but nuckle-scrapers) from below deck? > Then > you could add a set of TLC-type cradles forward and a set of > Hully-Rollers aft, and relatively easily load the kayaks from the > > water by sliding the bow up over the aft Roller and securing both > with > the typical Yak (expensive) or jury-rigged (cheap) straps.<< > > Ah, I think you've given me an idea - This is a beefy skiff, the > gunwales are about 6 inches wide - I (a boatbuilder friend actually) > can fabricate some aluminum inverted U-shaped brackets (designed to > slip & clamp over the gunwales), weld 1" pipe to the "top" (closed > side) of the brackets extending outboard the necessary distance, mount > my normal Yakima cradles to the pipe, and strap the yaks in just as if > they were on the roof rack. This would allow easy on/off, and avoid > the problem of having two long transverse supports running across the > boat. > I like the idea of using one Hully Roller with a standard cradle. > Just another reason to finally shell out the cash for the Hully Roller > and recycle the old foam blocks that I've been using on the roof rack > for the second kayak. > > >> You're not getting the kayaks suspended below rail level --- which > I > sensed was what you wanted --- but with a 16 foot skiff, do you > have > enough freeboard to safely carry the kayaks below deck level, > anyway?<< > > Didn't really want them below the gunwale line, sorry that wasn't > clear. Actually this skiff has about 28-30" of freeboard when it's > loaded with a "normal" load - it's a custom design built by a fellow > over in Sitka. > > >>If you like anything above --- and there's a lot of Rube Goldberg > stuff here --- or even if you don't, could I ask a favor? Some > time > when you're in Juneau, there's a great little bookstore up on one > of > the (relatively) main streets. Would love to find out if the > owner > --- a really neat lady --- has any new books on Inuit paddles and > > paddling.<< > > Not a problem - you're either talking about Hearthside Books - located > about a 2 minute walk from my office or Rainbow Books (used books) > across the street. Any particular book you're looking for? If I find > anything I'll send you the info "off-line". Downtown Juneau is pretty > small..... > > >>Good luck with your transportation issue --- would love to be in > your > shoes!<< > > <G> Yeah, it's tough - gave up a nice career and took a 50% pay cut to > move up here and I don't regret it for a second!!! > > Dave *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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