At 07:43 AM 5/14/98 -0600, Philip Wylie wrote: > I have looked at stolquist >and the female model (mens were not available so no >wise cracks) of the Kokatat. I'd like to point out that we women have been forced to use sporting gear and clothing designed and cut for men for years. I still have trouble finding most types of clothing cut for women. I could complain for many more sentences, but I'll cut it short here. Barbara (in paddle jacket with too long arms, and wet suit with too long legs) Richmond, California * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * --*--*-- Barbara Kossy Communications voice: 510-234-3479 fax: 510-234-6615 * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- *--* -- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I might mention that Kokatat makes a full line of gear for women, including drytops, wetsuits (new this year), and dry suits. There is even a special woman friendly relieve zipper option available. In my club, we have several womens kokatat drytops, which are much loved by the women I have talked to. Also, Lotus makes a womens lifejacket cut to fit in the right places. It looks like gear manufacturers are starting to catch on at least a little bit. --Kevin ___________________ / Kevin Whilden \ |Dept. of Geosciences \___ |University of Washington \ |kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu| \________________________/ On Thu, 14 May 1998, Barbara Kossy wrote: > At 07:43 AM 5/14/98 -0600, Philip Wylie wrote: > > > I have looked at stolquist > >and the female model (mens were not available so no > >wise cracks) of the Kokatat. > > I'd like to point out that we women have been forced to use sporting gear > and clothing designed and cut for men for years. I still have trouble > finding most types of clothing cut for women. I could complain for many > more sentences, but I'll cut it short here. > > Barbara (in paddle jacket with too long arms, and wet suit with too long legs) > Richmond, California > * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * --*--*-- > Barbara Kossy Communications > voice: 510-234-3479 fax: 510-234-6615 > * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- *--* -- > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, 14 May 1998, K. Whilden wrote: > I might mention that Kokatat makes a full line of gear for women, > including drytops, wetsuits (new this year), and dry suits. There is even > a special woman friendly relieve zipper option available. In my club, we > have several womens kokatat drytops, which are much loved by the women I > have talked to. Also, Lotus makes a womens lifejacket cut to fit in the > right places. It looks like gear manufacturers are starting to catch on at > least a little bit. Yes. But at least last year in order to get a women's drysuit from Kokatat in the Washington DC area you had to special order it - not one store carried the women's lines, and most didn't even know they existed. Joy Hecht Arlington VA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 98-05-14 16:47:50 EDT, kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu writes: << Also, Lotus makes a womens lifejacket cut to fit in the right places. >> Which is called the "Lola" and is being bought mostly by men because it's so comfortable. Don't want to even guess why, but that's straight gouge! Guess it takes a <real> man to wear a Lola over his skirt! Joq *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
JCMARTIN43 wrote: > > In a message dated 98-05-14 16:47:50 EDT, kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu writes: > > << Also, Lotus makes a womens lifejacket cut to fit in the > right places. >> > > Which is called the "Lola" and is being bought mostly by men because it's so > comfortable. Don't want to even guess why, but that's straight gouge! > > Guess it takes a <real> man to wear a Lola over his skirt! I won't get into that one. I did try the Lola but did not like that you have to slip it over your head (it does have a side zipper, so it is not as hard to do as one without a zipper entirely), which would be difficult if you decided to take off some layers of clothing out on the water. I didn't find it comfortable either. And I thought that the larger pocket, being where it was--well to the side--could interfere with some paddling styles. But I do know guys who like it as well as women who don't. So here are two radically different styles of fine PFDs, so one has a real choice, regardless of sex. ralph -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Thanks. I'm sure when I'm ready to buy another I can find a better fit. Also the women's stuff tends to sell out, and it's harder to find at a discount. BK At 01:29 PM 5/14/98 -0700, K. Whilden wrote: >I might mention that Kokatat makes a full line of gear for women, >including drytops, wetsuits (new this year), and dry suits. There is even >a special woman friendly relieve zipper option available. In my club, we >have several womens kokatat drytops, which are much loved by the women I >have talked to. Also, Lotus makes a womens lifejacket cut to fit in the >right places. It looks like gear manufacturers are starting to catch on at >least a little bit. >--Kevin > > ___________________ > / Kevin Whilden \ > |Dept. of Geosciences \___ > |University of Washington \ > |kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu| > \________________________/ > >On Thu, 14 May 1998, Barbara Kossy wrote: > >> At 07:43 AM 5/14/98 -0600, Philip Wylie wrote: >> > >> I have looked at stolquist >> >and the female model (mens were not available so no >> >wise cracks) of the Kokatat. >> >> I'd like to point out that we women have been forced to use sporting gear >> and clothing designed and cut for men for years. I still have trouble >> finding most types of clothing cut for women. I could complain for many >> more sentences, but I'll cut it short here. >> >> Barbara (in paddle jacket with too long arms, and wet suit with too long legs) >> Richmond, California >> * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * --*--*-- >> Barbara Kossy Communications >> voice: 510-234-3479 fax: 510-234-6615 >> * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- *--* -- >> >> *************************************************************************** >> PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >> Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >> Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >> Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >> *************************************************************************** >> > > * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * --*--*-- Barbara Kossy Communications voice: 510-234-3479 fax: 510-234-6615 * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- *--* -- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Barbara Kossy wrote: > I'd like to point out that we women have been forced to use sporting gear and clothing designed and cut for men for years. I still have trouble finding most types of clothing cut for women. Back in the days when Extrasport was the "only" PFD manufacturer of note, many women lobbied hard for a female-fitting PFD. At first they said "good idea, but..." Then they said "we're working on it but..." As many know, it finally happened. Extrasport came out with their Ladie's Solution; Lotus with a Lola, Kokatat's MsFit and probably more too. Funny thing is that we sell many more of the "women's" PFDs to men than to women! They're just that comfortable for MANY people. Maybe the designers will learn from this experience and develop an even more comfortable line of PFDs for everyone. They are on to something! Joanne -- Southwind Kayak Center, Inc. 17855 Sky Park Cir., Irvine CA 92614 USA 949-261-0200 or 800-SOUTHWIND http://www.southwindkayaks.com joanne_at_southwindkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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