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From: Paul Hollerbach <phollerb_at_mail.burlco.lib.nj.us>
subject: [Paddlewise] I knew better, but look what happened !
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:36:24 -0400 (EDT)
I've been canoeing since a kid, kayaking for six years, am always out
hiking, camping and x-c skiing the rest of the time. In other words, I
knew better, but look at what happened !

I write this in the hopes that it may prevent a similar experience, or
worse, for somebody who reads it & thinks a casual outing is, well,
casual.

After a wonderful day last Monday at West Point, shooting for 
the Discovery Channel for twelve hours the new recruits being 
inducted , and then picking up the film at the lab in midtown 
Tuesday it took two hours to get up to Ossining due to 
screaming t-storms and several accidents. The Saw Mill Parkway 
was closed for a few miles for one, must've been multiple 
vehicle. I might have taken this an an omen, but didn't.

In between these terrific storms it was sunny, as it was when I 
reached my friend's studio. He was waiting for a couple to come 
at 6 for an appointment, so while I was at the lightbox editing 
the West Point film he ran up to Peekskill and brought down our 
kayaks.

He suggested we go out on the river for an hour or so of casual 
drifting just to relax, so I did so at 6 thinking he'd be along 
soon, but as I kept paddling out into the center of the Hudson 
and turning around to look for him at the boat club he didn't 
show because his couple was an hour late.

Right above my head was the dividing line. Looking at the 
Tappan Zee bridge to the south & east it was sun, deep blue 
skies and cumulo-nimbus clouds like whipped cream, just to the 
north it was pitch black, like a charcoal sketch from Hell. 
Watching the lowest level of little individual black clouds, I 
thought I was safe, the front was moving north and east by the 
look of them, the dividing line was staying right above my 
head. Fooled me....

I reached Teller's Point, about 2 miles out of Ossining, with 
10 swans for company. The water was flat, barely rippled, the 
tide incoming at about 4 knots. I floated peacefully, barely 
paddling. When rounding the point, this is Croton Point Park 
which separates Croton Bay from Haverstraw Bay, the widest part 
of the Hudson, I saw the storm getting worse just north of me. 
Lightning streaks appeared north and east in what I'm guessing 
were 30-some miles long stretches, over Peekskill.I still 
thought I was safe, that it was moving north & east. It wasn't.

>From the other side of the point I could barely see the town of 
Haverstraw across the bay, it was nearly totally obscured. The 
sky was a giant blanket of darkness, the dividing line that was 
above my head a minute ago was far to my south.

I cannot describe the fury or the speed with which things 
changed. It was 7:30, Alan was just putting in looking 
desperately for me, the boat club members stood at the dock 
screaming at him not to go out. He did anyway, shouting back at 
them, "I've got to ! My buddy's out there !" He only made it 
100 yards and barely got back without capsizing. Grabbing a 
town policeman they sped up to Croton Point and slid all over 
the mud and rocks looking for me in the height of the violence, 
but could see no sign.

Meanwhile, the storm had come in like a frieght train and I was 
praying loud and hard for God to see me through this safely and 
get me back alive. A bright yellow motorboat screamed past me 
at full throttle running for the marina, he wasn't going to 
stop and see if I needed help in open water two miles from 
either shore with all Hell breaking loose. (That's a clear 
violation of law, I was later told.) I had turned tail to the 
wind, headed back to Ossining, but had only gone a few hundred 
yards when it decended on me.The skies were like a blender 
filled with oil, the water ran swirling in every direction, 
black and senseless.

I knew I was in deep trouble, I knew it was only a matter of 
seconds before I got thrown out of the boat. The wind came in, 
I was told later, at 53 m.p.h., turned me perpendicular to it 
and I braced as long as I could, then went over. I cleared out 
alright, surfaced and was in suddenly in 6' breaking waves with 
the kayak slamming me in the head as it kept on rolling over at 
about one revolution per second. I knew I had to get to the 
windward side of the boat, but I was unable to move as the 
paddle leash was wrapping around my right leg while the boat 
continued to roll, making it tighter. I gasped for air, the 
boat continued to roll with each wave and my leg started to 
raise up, sending me below.

I got clear of the leash, reached the stern and put myself at 
it, then quickly wrapped the stern line around my left wrist as I
knew if I let go of the boat I was dead. Those 6' waves were
breaking over my head, I was barely able to gulp breaths of
air in on the crests, it was black as night in the troughs.

I managed to stay at the stern, pushing myself up a little bit 
in the rising crests to ride them and breathe, kicking for my 
life. The rain came next, cold as ice, but the Hudson itself was warm, 
thankfully. If it weren't I wouldn't be here to tell you about 
it. I prayed and kicked, the wind howled, the lightning 
streaked all around me, the only relief from a darkness that 
had come like the turning of a switch. It was 7:40 p.m.

Fortunately, the weather was pushing me back to Ossining, I 
could barely make out the lights of Sing Sing on the shore. 
Alan was by this time scrambling around Croton Point Park with 
the local policeman, he tells me that he felt that I was alive, 
probably clingling to a beach someplace, but as the hour went 
by and things worsened he could only think of how to make the 
call to my parents, what to say to tell them I was lost.

I stayed at the stern, pushing it into my chest and PFD, riding 
it like a log on the crests, kicking all the while.After about 
half an hour the waves lessened to 3', the rain slowed to a 
halt. I tried righting the kayak, secured the paddle under the 
forward deck lines, bilged most of the water out, which took a lot of 
energy, but without a paddlefloat the possibility of re-entry 
was zero. All I could do was get my stomach up on the aft deck 
and one foot in the cockpit. Without a float and support for 
the other leg, when I tried to get it into the boat it rolled 
again. I tried three times anyway, eventually gave up on it and 
just swam towing the boat, or when I got tired, raised up a few 
inches on the stern and pushed it ahead of me.

It rained again, I started to feel colder, but the wind had 
diminshed so the waves were less. I kept kicking and soon saw 
that I was indeed closer to shore, but the light was failing 
now as it was well after 8:30. I righted the boat, hauled 
myself up on the aft deck and rested, though still kicked. I 
had begun to shiver uncontrollably, but as soon as I got up 
on deck I was warmer, only my knees on down were wet. The 
shivering continued, but didn't worsen. I tried the whistle a 
number of times, but nobody was around to hear it. I felt 
better, I knew I'd make it out eventually, or felt that I 
would, so just stayed as I was and kicked for the next hour.

Meanwhile, the employees at the water treatment plant in front 
of Sing Sing had called in to the Fire Dept., I guess they saw 
me go out and not return, and after an hour and a half in the 
water, now close enough to shore to make out buildings, I saw a 
flashing light moving in an arc to my north about half a mile. 
It headed back to the boathouse then turned south and then 
towards me on instruction, I was later told, from somebody at 
the water plant who spotted me, how, I don't know as I had no 
lights.

They got me in their searchlight, called to me over the P.A. to
raise a hand if I could hear them, which I happily did, and in
a minute was getting a life ring tossed at me as I shouted to
the crew that I was unhurt, just cold and tired.

They lifted me aboard,lashed in the kayak and brought me back 
to the boat club dock. The E.M.S. crew arrived a minute later, 
as I was shakily setting foot on the dock. They retrieved my 
dry bag from the aft hatch, I changed in the ambnulance and 
answered questions, signed a waiver and was released.

Alan was white as a sheet. We loaded the boats onto our cars, 
went into the club for a cup of tea for me. It turned out the 
guys who pulled me out were waiting for me as they're members, 
and they're all firemen or policemen in there.

Call me Mr. Lucky, my guardian angel has waterwings, my prayers 
were answered. It has changed me, I can tell you, in ways I 
don't yet know of.

Lessons learned:

1) I didn't listen to the weather forecast, which predicted 
exactly what came, (including the tornado in Pawling) if I had 
I wouldn't have gone out at all

2) no paddlefloat, which prevented re-entry once it was calm 
enough to do so 

3) no learned and practiced roll, which I couldn't have done 
anyway in those conditions, but besides I

4) had no skirt

5) no strobe on my vest, it was here in the closet, safe at home

6) no flares or even a flashlight

7) no knife

8) I was in street clothes, the drysuit was also safely home in 
the closet. If the water were cold, I'd almost certainly have 
perished.

9)Tether the bilge pump in. I nearly lost it three times.

10)I was out alone.

I'm still shaken. When I got home the next night I watched a 
Trailside episode that taped while I was gone to try to relax. 
It was one of sea kayaking at Gross Morn in Atlantic Canada. 
Looking at the shapes of the boats, even on calm seas, just 
scared me. I had to turn it off.

The kayak is a 16' Baltic Mari 4, made in Estonia, high-volume 
and in fiberglass/composite. The paddle is theirs, too, a 
carbon-fiber one. 

Extrasport PFD worked well, but **only because the waist strap 
was cinched as tightly as I could stand it**. A mistake I think 
some make if they are novices who haven't actually ever been in 
the water in their vests is to buckle up and leave the waist 
straps loose, if tied at all. This will never do as the vest 
will ride up around your head like a chef's hat while your chin 
is at he surface of the water, if you're in rough seas you'll 
be swallowing a lot.
 
If anybody wants to write me to talk about this, please do.

Grateful beyond all words,

      ~Paul H.
phollerb_at_mail.burlco.lib.nj.us



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From: <WILAX_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I knew better, but look what happened !
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:48:11 EDT
Great trip report!
So now folks, lets take a poll... How many of you go out alone?  I know I do.
I am ultra careful to do the "right thing" and have the "right stuff" but
everyone thinks I'm a nut.  I don't think so, well, yeah a nut but not a nut
with a death wish.  Can paddling alone safely ever be regarded as safe?  OR,
if a great white gets me will people always say "too bad, he had a knife, pfd,
float plan, flares, vhf, kitchen sink etc. but he broke the rule, he went out
alone".
Comments?
  
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From: R. Walker <rww_at_mailbox.neosoft.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I knew better, but look what happened !
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:04:12 +0000
> So now folks, lets take a poll... How many of you go out alone?  I know I do.
> I am ultra careful to do the "right thing" and have the "right stuff" but
> everyone thinks I'm a nut.  I don't think so, well, yeah a nut but not a nut
> with a death wish.  Can paddling alone safely ever be regarded as safe?  OR,
> if a great white gets me will people always say "too bad, he had a knife, pfd,
> float plan, flares, vhf, kitchen sink etc. but he broke the rule, he went out
> alone".

To me, the lesson is not to get in the boat without putting
all the appropriate gear in with you.  I have a big green box
that has all my kayaking junk, and it stays in the back of the
car whenever I have the boat with me.  It only takes an extra
10-15 minutes to move the stuff from the box to the boat; so
I have to ask myself, is saving 15 minutes worth it for the
possibility of ending up lost on the open water with no flare,
strobe, or phone?  Is it worth it to go out on the water,
paddle or power, without reading the weather report?

>From the trip report posted, even the addition of just the
paddlefloat would likely have made for a much more comfortable
result.  Around here, we have ticket happy LEOs, so you'd 
probably also get a ticket for not having the required 
signalling devices on board.

Paddling in a group, without spray skirts, strobes, paddlefloats,
radios, flares, etc, seems just as dangerous if not more so than
being alone without those things...




> Comments?
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From: Keith Kaste <kkaste_at_slip.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I knew better, but look what happened !
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 16:52:40 -0700
I paddle solo quite a bit.  I also have all the suggested safety devices,
including a VHF radio.  Re-entry and roll using a paddle float is surprisingly
easy.  I think of a spare paddle as required equipment even if you do use a
leash.  A spare paddle is easy to make at a cost of about $10.

I saw a group of kayakers taking a paddling lesson on the beach in Blackstone Bay
in Alaska.  They then got into their doubles wearing their regular outdoor attire
including knee high rubber boots.  This was a guided group.  I couldn't believe
it.  The surface of Blackstone Bay is completely covered with ice in some places.
The water temperature must be close to freezing.

Probably very few of us practice rescues as much as we should.  Maybe we should
devote at least 10% of our paddling time to rescue practice.

Keith Kaste

WILAX_at_aol.com wrote:

> Great trip report!
> So now folks, lets take a poll... How many of you go out alone?
> Comments?



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From: Wynne Eden <graymare_at_sowega.net>
subject: Re:[Paddlewise] Solo Paddling
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 19:50:04 -0400
At 01:48 PM 7/7/98 EDT, WILAX_at_aol.com wrote:

>So now folks, lets take a poll... How many of you go out alone?  I know I do.
>I am ultra careful to do the "right thing" and have the "right stuff" but
>everyone thinks I'm a nut.  I don't think so, well, yeah a nut but not a nut
>with a death wish.  Can paddling alone safely ever be regarded as safe?  OR,
>if a great white gets me will people always say "too bad, he had a knife,
pfd,
>float plan, flares, vhf, kitchen sink etc. but he broke the rule, he went out
>alone".
>Comments?

I paddle alone, prefer to in fact.  I take the whole nine yards (except for
epirb and phone/radio), plus a survival kit.  I've had the luxury of being
trained to manage in survival situations (on land, admittedly), and have
chosen to practice these skills often enough to believe they are bombproof.
 I like to go places some would consider dangerous (some folks are scared
of snakes and gators), but the swamps and blackwater rivers of the South
are incredible places.

Two reasons I'm comfortable solo paddling:

I could die for stupid reasons anyway; I minimize the risks by being
mentally and physically capable of handling the situation.  I make the
choice not to carry a radio, because of the cost and because I paddle to
get away, not stay in touch.  Hell, I've got good insurance;  I'm probably
worth more to my wife as a settlement.

If I only paddled with others, I'd never paddle, or would only paddle with
folks with minimal skills and experience.  There ain't many sea kayakers in
south GA.  I see other experienced kayakers about once or twice a year.

Wynne
Americus, GA
USA

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From: Brian Heath <bheath_at_televar.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I knew better, but look what happened !
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:06:05 -0700
WILAX_at_aol.com wrote:

> Great trip report!
> So now folks, lets take a poll... How many of you go out alone?  I know I do.

Wouldn't kayak if I couldn't be alone much of the time.  But I also enjoy company
sometimes.  Risky?  Probably.  Had two water related tragedies here this past
week.  A fella was diving from a 150' cliff into 90 feet of water (intentionally
for fun).  They are still looking for the body.  In another accident a 17 yr old
girl was in her sleeping bag behind her tent pitched in the sage brush near a
remote boat launch.  Her 21 year old male friend in a pick-up ran over her.  Still
alive with shattered pelvis.  Getting out of bed is risky -- or staying in it.

But thanks to good trip reports and ideas from ya'all, I can reduce the risk in
some ways while taking more in areas I want to -- like finding solitude.

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From: Julio MacWilliams <juliom_at_cisco.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I knew better ...-> comments
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:52:59 -0700 (PDT)
Paul,

Thank you for posting your experience on this list. It is a good
heads up for many.

I would like to comment on a couple of things.

> He suggested we go out on the river for an hour or so of casual 
> drifting just to relax, so I did so at 6 thinking he'd be along 
> soon, but as I kept paddling out into the center of the Hudson 
> and turning around to look for him at the boat club he didn't 
> show because his couple was an hour late.

It is better not to count on people being on time . What I do when the expected
people do not show up, is to practice rescues and rolls close
to shore. If they ever show up and it is too late I just get
out of the water and say "maybe next time". I suggest you do that
instead of paddling out next time.

> windward side of the boat, but I was unable to move as the 
> paddle leash was wrapping around my right leg while the boat 
> continued to roll, making it tighter. I gasped for air, the 
> boat continued to roll with each wave and my leg started to 
> raise up, sending me below.

My case against paddle leashes rests. The $25 of a spare kayak paddle
at REI is a lot cheaper than your life.

> and one foot in the cockpit. Without a float and support for 
> the other leg, when I tried to get it into the boat it rolled 
> again. I tried three times anyway, eventually gave up on it and 

If you knew how to do a re-entry and paddlefloat roll, the paddlefloat
would have helped you. Otherwise you would have found out the hard way
that the classic paddlefloat re-entry is only good for calm waters.

> shivering continued, but didn't worsen. I tried the whistle a 
> number of times, but nobody was around to hear it. I felt 

I used the whitle many times without any success. Not even paddlers
100 yards away would hear it. The best response I have gotten is
"We thought it was a bird!".  Whitles make your ears ring, but when
calling for attention they are useless. That is why they give them
out for free.

> Alan was white as a sheet. We loaded the boats onto our cars, 

In the conditions you describe, Alan would have just been another victim.
When conditions get rough people paddle for their lives and 
groups disperse as waves cut out the visibility among the members of the group.

> 5) no strobe on my vest, it was here in the closet, safe at home

Strobes help SAR to find someone at night. The average boater does not
know what a strobe light signals, nor cares about it. A six pack of
beer is more effective on calling their attention.

> 7) no knife

Do not try cutting a rope with a knife in braking waves. You would 
most likely end up injuring yourself. Just get rid of that bloddy tether
and get a spare paddle. A small canoe paddle should be enough.

> 
> 9)Tether the bilge pump in. I nearly lost it three times.

Pumping water out in rought conditions is useless. It only invites
another capsize. Roll up with the paddlefloat, and leave it on
you blade to keep upright until the situation gets better -better
weather, rescue arrives, someone tows you.

> 10)I was out alone.

No company is better than bad company. See comment four paragraphs above.

> 
> I'm still shaken. When I got home the next night I watched a 
> Trailside episode that taped while I was gone to try to relax. 

Kill your TV. I would make your life more enjoyable. 

> 
> Extrasport PFD worked well, but **only because the waist strap 
> was cinched as tightly as I could stand it**. A mistake I think 

My extrasport was retired last year for that reason. What I paid for
my current PFD, a Lotus, is definetely worth the investment.

Thanks again Paul. Sharing your experiences with others might save
some lives.

- Julio
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From: Bill Leonhardt <leonhardt_at_bnldag.ags.bnl.gov>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I knew better, but look what happened !
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 16:21:17 -0400
At 01:48 PM 7/7/98 -0400, WILAX_at_aol.com wrote:
>Great trip report!
>So now folks, lets take a poll... How many of you go out alone?  I know I do.
>I am ultra careful to do the "right thing" and have the "right stuff" but
>everyone thinks I'm a nut.  I don't think so, well, yeah a nut but not a nut
>with a death wish.  Can paddling alone safely ever be regarded as safe?  OR,
>if a great white gets me will people always say "too bad, he had a knife,
pfd,
>float plan, flares, vhf, kitchen sink etc. but he broke the rule, he went out
>alone".
>Comments?

My first impulse is to say "Why the hell do you care what everyone thinks?"

But really, the question should be considered seriously.

I go out alone more than 50% of the time and with people less experienced
than I maybe another 20%.  I acknowledge that there are risks associated
with solo paddling and I'm willing to accept them.  Are my abilities to
deal with all emergency situations perfected?  Absolutely not!  Do I work
to improve them?  Yes, but not obsessively.

I enjoy paddling and paddling alone for many reasons.  I try to take
precautions and act safely by "My  Individual Measurement System".
Perhaps, most importantly, I try to behave so as not to put the safety of
others at risk.  I try always to have a safety plan that doesn't depend on
the actions of others.  Beyond that, I try not to eat, sleep and drink safety.

I think are all grateful to Paul for sharing his story and admitting some
actions that we might label unsafe.  Like the book "Deep Trouble", I think
we can all learn from Paul's story and perhaps recalibrate our own safety
techniques.  Thanks Paul!

In the end though, I'm not going to stop crossing the street because
someone, somewhere once got run over.

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From: <outdoors_at_biddeford.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I knew better, but look what happened !
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:31:33 -0400
At 01:48 PM 7/7/98 EDT, WILAX_at_aol.com wrote:
>Great trip report!
>So now folks, lets take a poll... How many of you go out alone? ...Can
paddling >alone safely ever be regarded as safe?  OR,
>if a great white gets me will people always say "too bad, he had a knife, pfd,
>float plan, flares, vhf, kitchen sink etc. but he broke the rule, he went out
>alone".
>Comments?
>  
It's been my experience that many kayakers are introverts.  They enjoy being
alone and renewing their energy paddling out on the sea by themselves.  I
agree with you that it is very important to be as prepared as possible for
almost anything.  However, IMHO, when people argue that it is unsafe to
kayak, hike, climb, etc. alone, they are arguing that their point of view is
more important and more right that the introvert's.  Many, many, many people
want you to believe what they believe.  I think they see it as validation
that they are right if they can convince you to take on their beliefs.
Another method they use is to make it illegal to act in a way that doesn't
match what they believe.

Sorry.  You hit a tender spot.  I paddle both with groups and alone.  On the
Myers-Briggs scale I'm an extrovert, but just barely.  I think modern
society is far too concerned with wrapping all its members in a safe womb so
no one will be harmed.

Bill Ridlon

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From: Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solo Paddling
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 22:33:17 -0700
outdoors_at_biddeford.com wrote:
> 
> At 01:48 PM 7/7/98 EDT, WILAX_at_aol.com wrote:

> >So now folks, lets take a poll... How many of you go out alone? ...Can
> paddling >alone safely ever be regarded as safe? 

> It's been my experience that many kayakers are introverts.  They enjoy being
> alone and renewing their energy paddling out on the sea by themselves.  I
> agree with you that it is very important to be as prepared as possible for
> almost anything.  However, IMHO, when people argue that it is unsafe to
> kayak, hike, climb, etc. alone, they are arguing that their point of view is
> more important and more right than the introvert's.  Many, many, many people
> want you to believe what they believe.  I think they see it as validation
> that they are right if they can convince you to take on their beliefs.
> Another method they use is to make it illegal to act in a way that doesn't
> match what they believe.

> [snip] I think modern
> society is far too concerned with wrapping all its members in a safe womb so
> no one will be harmed.
> 
> Bill Ridlon

Bill did a bang-up job of summarizing my point of view on solo paddling,
and scratched my bias about people who want to "protect" me from my own
poor judgement, as well.

I, also, paddle solo, now and then over 25 days/year, with a couple
overnight ventures amongst those days.  

Re:  the safety angle:  I suspect the issue may not be whether you
paddle SOLO, but HOW you paddle solo, and WHERE you paddle solo.  Thrown
in might be your skill level and degree of inventiveness in retrieving
yourself from predicaments.  I know I have spent a couple dozen days on
the Lower Columbia River, sometimes in sections commonly regarded as
"dangerous," and did not feel at risk.

I sometimes like solo paddling because I feel more at one with my
natural surroundings.  Most of the time, though, I get lonely for
company, and decide it's more fun to paddle with one or two others. 
Sure hate the mob scenes the formal clubs seem to generate, however!

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: James Lofton <n5yyx_at_etsc.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solo Paddling
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 07:29:08 -0700
First of all, thanks for sharing your story Paul. Sometimes a shake up 
call is needed for all of us. Some by reading. Some by doing. Sharing and 
comparing is what this list is about I guess.

I too paddle mostly alone. Infact, up until I introduced some others to 
kayaking just a short 5 or so months ago, I paddled alone almost all of 
the time. My wife is good for a trip or two ayear, other wise it was just 
me.(marrage and kids claimed my old paddling buddy) :>(

Most of my paddling is during the fall/winter/spring. Times when the area 
lakes and feeder rivers are devoid of the "normal" traffic. My solo trips 
are all two/three days or longer. I also like to paddle at night, during 
the winter, and alone. I've been snowed in, iced in, and had to break ice 
as I went. (Yes, I knew the risks and the price I would pay if I went in. 
I call it life) At times like these my only concern was my wife worring 
about me, not my safety. I would NEVER do this with most other people. I 
say most, because I have on one occasion with the person than went with 
me down the yukon river.(we spent Christmas and several days alternating 
between breaking ice and paddling on an area river, a few years ago)

Quite frankly, I didn't know being alone was so differant or dangerous 
until I got on this site. I always figured that being alone was a frame 
of mind anyway and being with someone was false security more than 
likely.

Many times I "wish" I could share a moment or show something to someone 
else, but the truth is, many of those "things" never happen when I am 
with someone else. My wife is the exception. We can go whole days without 
speaking. Only commuicating by eye or face exspresions.

Interestingly, I feel more at risk and think more of safty when I am with 
someone. Being alone is natural and being with anouther person I start 
going through the "what if" thoughts. Maybe this is the opposite that 
others go through. I would think each person should do what makes them 
comfortable. Just be prepared to take care of yourself and not rely on 
others for your safety.

As John said, kayaking is also one of the safest things I do. Sure safer 
than grocery shopping on double stamp day! :>)

James


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From: Mark Hunter <mhunter_at_sprintmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solo Paddling
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 08:59:39 -0700
James Lofton wrote:

>My wife is the exception. We can go whole days without speaking.<

Yeah, James, it's the same with my wife and me, except the motivation
might be a little different. <g>

I like paddling alone, but I'm not sure about the icebreaking part.

Regards,
Mark
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From: Mark Zen <canoeist_at_netbox.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I knew better, but look what happened !
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 22:43:18 -0600
At 01:48 PM 7/7/98 EDT, WILAX_at_aol.com wrote:
>
>Great trip report!
>So now folks, lets take a poll... How many of you go out alone?  I know I do. 

i do. lakes 75% of the time. rivers the other 25%. i probably paddle 30% of my
paddling alone. although this year not as much as my two of my daughter's are 
now paddling too.

mark


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From: Bob Apter <bapter_at_sos.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] I knew better, but look what happened !
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:32:35 -0700
If I didn't regularly go out alone, I wouldn't get very much paddling in.  I paddle as a regular fitness routine, usually 3 or 4 times a week, and the great majority of the time I'm alone.  I do feel I'm safe, however, having practiced rolling and especially self-rescue in rough conditions.  Part of my enjoyment of kayaking is to go out in challenging conditions.  By doing so when the conditions present themselves, I have improved my skills and my comfort level.  I paddle in Skagit Bay, which is a relatively small body of water with some islands.  The Bay in places is as little as 1.5 miles across, but has a long fetch in a North/South direction (perhaps 20 miles).  In very windy conditions, I can rest in the lee of an Island, then go out into more exposed areas where there may be longer fetches, accelerated winds, or tide rips.  I feel I can control the risk and still do some very challenging (and fun) kayaking by myself.  

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From:	WILAX_at_aol.com [SMTP:WILAX_at_aol.com]
Sent:	Tuesday, July 07, 1998 10:48 AM
To:	phollerb_at_mail.burlco.lib.nj.us; paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net
Subject:	Re: [Paddlewise] I knew better, but look what happened !

Great trip report!
So now folks, lets take a poll... How many of you go out alone?  I know I do.
I am ultra careful to do the "right thing" and have the "right stuff" but
everyone thinks I'm a nut.  I don't think so, well, yeah a nut but not a nut
with a death wish.  Can paddling alone safely ever be regarded as safe?  OR,
if a great white gets me will people always say "too bad, he had a knife, pfd,
float plan, flares, vhf, kitchen sink etc. but he broke the rule, he went out
alone".
Comments?
  
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From: <JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] I knew better, but look what happened !
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:55:00 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-07 11:10:23 EDT, Paul Hollerbach
<phollerb_at_mail.burlco.lib.nj.us> writes:

<< 
 I've been canoeing since a kid, kayaking for six years, am always out
 hiking, camping and x-c skiing the rest of the time. In other words, I
 knew better, but look at what happened !
  >>

This was an excellent, effective object lesson for all of us, and I'd like to
join the crowd in thanking Paul for writing it and for sharing it with the
lists.  I agree with an earlier post, Paul --- I also felt like I was there
with you.  Well written!  Glad you were around to write it!

There has been a good discussion of the "lessons-learned" from this episode,
and, clearly, Paul's lack of awareness or appreciation of the oncoming weather
was at the core of his incident; but just as in aircraft accident
investigation, we need to look at all of the contributory data, as well.  And
that's been discussed in some detail --- except for Paul's inability to roll.
It was suggested early on --- possibly by Ralph Diaz? --- that virtually no
one could have rolled back up repeatedly in a squall with an intensity which
Paul described.  This seems like a valid point, and we're in no position to
challenge that now.  But Paul's experience was an extreme situation, and I
don't think we should accept the severity of the situation and dismiss the
real value to all sea kayakers to learn a roll as his or her primary self-
rescue method.  And I'm not suggesting this was done in the analysis of Paul's
story, but I'd hate to see the discussion die down without some discussion on
rolls versus all our apparent concentration on paddlefloat rescues --- which
are difficult enough in flat water in benign conditions, and would have been
of value to Paul, had he <had> his paddlefloat with him, only at the end of
the incident, after the storm had died down.
Maybe.

Learning to roll gives a paddler one great advantage: you learn to roll so you
don't have to!  Rolling becomes a sport, an entertainment, a contest to see
what widgets can be used, and that a roll can even be accomplished <without>
widgets like paddles and throwing sticks and floats --- a hand roll.  Rolling
develops skills in bracing and sculling which can be used in knockdown
situations most of us encounter in clapotis and surf.  Rolling, in  most
situations in which we'd find ourselves, gives us a way to right the boat,
stay with it, and exclude most of the water we'd need to pump out under a
paddlefloat or assisted re-entry, all in one relatively simple action.  And
even in a knockdown which puts us out of the boat, a re-entry and roll ---
possibly assisted by a paddlefloat, even for more experienced rollers --- is a
much quicker and easier way to get back into the boat --- assuming we've
developed at least a very basic but reliable "dry-side-up" roll.

There are mystiques about rolls.  "It's hard to learn."  "It's impossible to
learn!"  Not so.  If you can get a good coach, an instructor who can work with
you, any of us can learn to roll --- I'm convinced of that because I'm one of
the least coordinated people I know, and I have a decent on-side roll.
Charlie Cole taught me.  Ron Casterline, Greg Welker and a large contingent of
other CPA paddlers, all with solid if not performance quality rolls, teach
rolling in one-on-one tutorials every Wednesday night in Annapolis.  When you
see 20 to 30 regular paddlers show up at Pier 7 every Wednesday and the
majority --- maybe the vast majority --- have or are close to having a
serviceable roll, you have to believe that any of us can learn.  Screw the
mystiques --- get a good instructor!

That's my piece.  I've said it, and I'd like to again thank Paul for an
excellent story on a scary event.  Having the right equipment with you <at all
times> is a critical point made by this incident, but an even more important
although tacit point is to be prepared and ready to <use> it in extremis as
Paul had to do, and to learn as many of the most efficient techniques as
possible to stay in and on your boat.

Jack Martin
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