Tomckayak_at_aol.com wrote: > ... The principal of moving weight forward or back to trim the > handling of a kayak is probably as old as the kayak. ...<snip>... > This will be my last Posting on this subject, others can have > the last word. Well, here are my last words (for the time being): I agree with you. Moving weight around to alter the handling of a boat is a very old technique, and it can be *very* effective. Much of the "need" for rudders or drop-down skegs is the result of people either not really understanding the effects of trim on performance, or not wanting to have to deal with the issue. An example involves a recent day paddle that I took with a friend who was paddling a Solstice GTHV. Properly loaded, this boat has very neutral handling and does not "need" a rudder, but on this day, in the conditions we encountered, his boat suffered from severe weather helm. The reason? He stuck all of his gear in the bow compartment. This being a day trip, he did not have a lot of gear. Even so, placing all of this gear in the bow compartment changed the trim to the point where he had two choices (short of repacking): expend a lot of energy on corrective strokes, or drop his rudder. He did the latter, as this was less inefficient than making constant corrective strokes. I was paddling a rudderless, skegless boat, which was loaded so as to be about as neutral as is possible in any kayak, and thus did not "need" a rudder or skeg. Admittedly, in highly changeable conditions, an advantage of rudders or drop-down skegs is that they can be "fine-tuned". But this fine-tuning does not gain one very much (and comes at a cost). The primary gains from using a rudder or drop-down skeg arise in those circumstances where the trim of the boat is seriously off, necessitating not "fine"-tuning, but rather "coarse"-tuning to eliminate the need for constant corrective strokes. Dan Hagen Bellingham, Washington *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>Tomckayak_at_aol.com wrote: > >> ... The principal of moving weight forward or back to trim the >> handling of a kayak is probably as old as the kayak. >...<snip>... Dan wrote: >I agree with you. Moving weight around to alter the handling of a boat >is a very old technique, and it can be *very* effective. Much of the >"need" for rudders or drop-down skegs is the result of people either not >really understanding the effects of trim on performance, or not wanting >to have to deal with the issue. > The primary gains >from using a rudder or drop-down skeg arise in those circumstances where >the trim of the boat is seriously off, necessitating not "fine"-tuning, >but rather "coarse"-tuning to eliminate the need for constant corrective >strokes. > Tom, I think Dan is completely correct in his comments. 95% of my paddling is completely empty, with a light kevlar boat, but often in windy conditions. I hate the idea of putting extra weight in an empty kevlar boat for trim. Do you have a list of kayaks, which IYHO when paddled empty, i.e., no trim weight adjustment, need only "fine" tuning and not "coarse" adjusting. Jerry *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I have found the Falcons to be VERY well behaved. cya *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Gerald Foodman wrote: > Tom, > I think Dan is completely correct in his comments. 95% of my paddling is > completely empty, with a light kevlar boat, but often in windy conditions. > I hate the idea of putting extra weight in an empty kevlar boat for trim. > Do you have a list of kayaks, which IYHO when paddled empty, i.e., no trim > weight adjustment, need only "fine" tuning and not "coarse" adjusting. > > Jerry Jerry, I am confused by your comments (but I guess that I am easily confused). Specifically, your comments raise the following questions: (1) Why do you think that you need to add weight to alter the trim? (Maybe you have in mind the Mariner sliding seat, which does add a lot of weight.) An alternative is to use a (light) foam seat with velcro on the bottom, and shift it forward and back until you find the right position given your body size and paddling position. Small shifts make a big difference. (Thus the effectiveness of that heavy Mariner seat.) (2) Why in the world are you paddling a "completely empty" boat 95% of the time? Most folks that I know would consider this unsafe, unless you never venture away from populated shorelines where you can impose on others (should you need dry clothes, water, first aid, repair supplies, or other emergency provisions). Is it just me, or do others think that it is imprudent to paddle a completely empty boat? I guess this is a case of "different strokes for different folks". :-) Dan Hagen Bellingham, Washington P.S. So I lied when I said that my last message would be my last word... ;-) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Dan wrote; -(SNIP) >(2) Why in the world are you paddling a "completely empty" boat 95% of >the time? Most folks that I know would consider this unsafe, unless you >never venture away from populated shorelines where you can impose on >others (should you need dry clothes, water, first aid, repair supplies, >or other emergency provisions). Is it just me, or do others think that >it is imprudent to paddle a completely empty boat? Not imprudent, but certainly not much fun. I pushed my "completely empty" out into the river this morning and nothing happened. Stood on the shore about thirty minutes waiting. Damned thing wouldn't even roll. Would my boat perform better if it was an Inuit reproduction or maybe it should be a Brit boat? I will ask the professor. Cheers, John Winters Redwing Designs Specialists in Human Powered Watercraft http://home.ican.net/~735769/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 9/17/98 7:24:56 AM EST, 735769_at_ican.net writes: << Is it just me, or do others think that >it is imprudent to paddle a completely empty boat? >> 90% of my paddling is in an unloaded boat. I add 210 LB was soon as I get in. I paddled with someone who was to small for his Mariner II. He had to loaded stones into the bow to. I think he needed a smaller boat others would say he needed a R------. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 98-09-17 09:31:55 EDT, Tomckayak_at_aol.com writes: << I paddled with someone who was to small for his Mariner II. He had to loaded stones into the bow >> Got a web site for those stones? Joq *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com wrote: > > Got a web site for those stones? Last I heard, John Winters had a monopoly franchise on the superior Official Canadian Ballast Rocks (TM). You might want to check out John's web site (although I don't know if his rock page is up and running yet): http://home.ican.net/~735769/index.html I suppose that John should be made aware of a breach that has formed in his distribution system. This has occured along the Canada-U.S. border up in Tarr Inlet (in Glacier Bay). Not that long ago, the Grand Pacific Glacier had its terminus on the Canadian side of the border. But in recent years the terminus has advanced into the U.S. Every month now, the glacier moves tons of Canadian ballast rocks across the border and deposits them into the U.S., where folks can pick them up without having to venture into Canada. This makes it possible to avoid the tentacles of JW's pervasive rock retailing monopoly, since his monopoly franchise has legal standing only within Canada. This alone is sufficient reason to take a trip to Glacier Bay. (While you are there you might notice the mountains, calving glaciers, whales, bears, etc., but these are side attractions--the real draw is free source for Canadian ballast rocks.) Dan Hagen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>>> I suppose that John should be made aware of a breach that has formed in his distribution system. >>> The benefits of NAFTA! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
You guys are kidding, right? Why would anyone actually buy rocks? Why not use water jugs if you need more ballast? - Scott > JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com wrote: > > > > Got a web site for those stones? > > Last I heard, John Winters had a monopoly franchise on the superior > Official Canadian Ballast Rocks (TM).... *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Scott wrote: >You guys are kidding, right? Why would anyone actually buy rocks? >Why not use water jugs if you need more ballast? > > - Scott > I don't mean to laugh at Scott's expense, but perhaps we could make this Ballast Rocks (tm) discussion an annual event. You know...see who can be the first to lure a new lister out into the open, a sort of annual fall festival of initiation?....eg: "fall is here, when the serious kayaker's thoughts turn to changing foliage, crisp air and finding ballast rocks for the winter" *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I'm going to attempt to install a Henderson foot pump into my Nordkapp this weekend. Before I drill any holes, are there any words of wisdom that anyone would care to share? One question - A friend noted problems with water leaking in the exhaust hole for his pump. The hole is on the side of his boat, is it better to place the exhaust on the deck? Thanks! Greg - Greg Hollingsworth EMAIL: gregh_at_abs.net PHONE: 240-228-6065 WWW: abs.net/~gregh/kayaking LIVES: Sykesville, Maryland WORKS: Johns Hopkins/Applied Physics Lab PADDLES: Red Nordkapp usually on Chesapeake tributaries - *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 98-09-18 12:14:05 EDT, Greg Hollingsworth writes: << I'm going to attempt to install a Henderson foot pump into my Nordkapp this weekend. Before I drill any holes, are there any words of wisdom that anyone would care to share? One question - A friend noted problems with water leaking in the exhaust hole for his pump. The hole is on the side of his boat, is it better to place the exhaust on the deck? >> Yeah, Greg --- for a start, you don't really have to drill holes. I built up a set of foam blocks aft of the forward bulkhead which serve as a <really> comfortable footrest, and now house my footpump, as well. Just carved away the part of the foam that looked like a pump, jammed it in there, and that was it! Suction hose comes down to a strum box --- a wedge-shape fiberglass pickup widget sold by the same folks who sell pumps, and definitely at least a nice-to-have if not a gotta-have to make the pump work most efficiently --- just forward of the seat, the lowest point in my Pintail. My exhaust port is on the side, with the outlet fitting just below the fiberglass seam. Have never noticed a problem with leaks --- RTV the fitting when you go through the hull, and the flapper valves in the pump should keep water from coming in any further than the housing, if it comes in that far. You <can> pump out through the deck, and a lot of people configure pumps that way; it cuts down on the plumbing runs, but you run the risk of nailing yourself with a mouthful of bilge water when pushing into the wind. And the speeds you paddle at, you don't need wind! That decision is really just a judgement call. Good luck --- lemme know if you want to see my installation first. There's a tiny chance I might make it to Wye Island tomorrow. Jack Martin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> Yeah, Greg --- for a start, you don't really have to drill holes. I built up > a set of foam blocks aft of the forward bulkhead which serve as a <really> > comfortable footrest, and now house my footpump, as well. Just carved away Yes, this is what I have in place as well... I opted to not install foot pegs and have the foam in its place. It's very comfortable right now. > the part of the foam that looked like a pump, jammed it in there, and that was > it! Suction hose comes down to a strum box --- a wedge-shape fiberglass > pickup widget sold by the same folks who sell pumps, and definitely at least a > nice-to-have if not a gotta-have to make the pump work most efficiently --- > just forward of the seat, the lowest point in my Pintail. I don't have a strum box, sounds like I should get one... how did you attach the hose and strum box to the lower deck? > My exhaust port is on the side, with the outlet fitting just below the > fiberglass seam. Have never noticed a problem with leaks --- RTV the fitting > when you go through the hull, and the flapper valves in the pump should keep > water from coming in any further than the housing, if it comes in that far. What's RTV? > You <can> pump out through the deck, and a lot of people configure pumps that > way; it cuts down on the plumbing runs, but you run the risk of nailing > yourself with a mouthful of bilge water when pushing into the wind. And the > speeds you paddle at, you don't need wind! That decision is really just a > judgement call. > > Good luck --- lemme know if you want to see my installation first. There's a > tiny chance I might make it to Wye Island tomorrow. If you're there tomorrow, I'd like to take a look at you setup... I hate to drill holes in a new boat!! Greg *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 98-09-18 16:28:31 EDT, Greg Hollingsworth responds re the installation of a footpump: >I don't have a strum box, sounds like I should get one... how did you >attach the hose and strum box to the lower deck? Like most stuff in my boat, I use gravity. Some people like to glass them into place, but I'd prefer to be able to redesign my boat every couple of months. And gravity works. You can make a functional strum box with a hose fitting, a foam mold and some fiberglass for pennies --- or got to Rapidstyle and Dana will sell you a nice one for a couple of thousand pennies. > What's RTV? What's RTV? RTV is to marine electronics what duct tape is to everything else in the world! RTV is ... <RTV>! Dunno ..... it's RTV. Use any marine grade silicone sealant. (You <really> work at Johns Hopkins?) If all this is going into foam, what holes are you drilling into the boat --- other than the overboard port? Good luck! Joq *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Jim Champoux wrote: > > Scott wrote: > > I don't mean to laugh at Scott's expense, but perhaps we could make this > Ballast Rocks (tm) discussion an annual event. You know...see who can be > the first to lure a new lister out into the open, a sort of annual fall > festival of initiation?....eg: "fall is here, when the serious kayaker's > thoughts turn to changing foliage, crisp air and finding ballast rocks for > the winter" > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** Kia Ora, Yes this would have a funny side if it wasn't for the fact that I have (over the years) pointed out to quite a few NEW owners of high volume kayaks like my own ,that by stowing about 15 kg. of ballast in the forehatch the boat becomes much easier to handle,hence safer,in windspeeds above 15 to 20 knots.Ballasting a cargo boats and tankers has always been a point of good seamanship.I carry plastic bottles which are filled when ballast is required. Eddie. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
What a great idea Scott..........Hey John, do you have any Official Canadian Water for sale? mark *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Scott Ives wrote: > > You guys are kidding, right? Why would anyone actually buy rocks? > ... As I recall, John began marketing his rocks on the WaveLength mailing list only after we had been spammed repeatedly by Tim Ingram (the "inventor" of the modern kayak sponson, or "Sea Wing"). John's point, as I recall, was a simple one: Sponsons increase stability through what is known as "form stability". It has been demonstrated repeatedly that a superior method for increasing stability in rough seas involves the use of ballast. (Superior in the sense that it is far more effective at preventing capasize.) John actually provided references to support his claim. (I know what you are thinking: "References? Are you kidding?? On the *internet*?!?) So ballast is the way to go if you want to increase stability. Being quite astute, John realized that rocks can be used to provide ballast. But why does John think that he can actually market them? It's very simple: If people are willing to spend a substantial amount of money on devices (sponsons) that provide inferior "form stability", they must certainly be willing to pay *less* money to acquire devices (rocks) that provide stability through a superior approach (ballast). "But", you are no doubt thinking, "isn't it irrational to buy rocks to improve your stability?" Of course it is! John's point is simply that that it is *less* irrational to buy his ballast rocks than it is to buy sponsons, since the rocks work better and are cheaper! So there you have it. The origins of a modern commercial success story. Truth, once again, is stranger than fiction. (At least you have *my* version of the truth. John has gone to that boat builiding convention, so it will be a while before he can correct me.) Now having said all of the above, some of us (myself included) believe that sponsons have legitimate uses. To read about this discussion--free from Tim Ingram's spams--see the Paddlewise archive on our sponson discussion. (Use the website link below to access this archive.) While I disagree with John about whether sponsons have *any* legitmate uses, I certainly think that his humorous ballast rock discussion has been a highlight of the long-running sponson debate. All kidding aside, there is no question that stability is best added through the use of ballast. With enough ballast a kayak can be made essentially self-righting (like those little pool toys with lead in the bottom). This is an important point for people to keep in mind--particularly Nordkapp owners. :-) Dan Hagen Bellingham, Washington *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 08:10:00AM -0700, Dan Hagen wrote: > It has been demonstrated repeatedly that a superior method for > increasing stability in rough seas involves the use of ballast. It also helps with boat trim. Back when I paddled bow in our old slalom C-2 and outweighed my stern partner by ~50 pounds, we used to put a couple of rocks all the way in the back of the boat in order to counterbalance my weight on the front. This served to prevent the bow from pearling whenever we tried upstream ferries...and the slightly increased weight was more than made up for by better handling. Now that we have a C-2 with high bow volume (a Whup-A-Tar) and that I'm paddling stern, this problem has been replaced by a different one: keeping the bow down in the water on high-speed on-side eddy turns. ;-) Oops. ---Rsk Rich Kulawiec rsk_at_gsp.org *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 10:58 9/18/98 -0500, Jim Champoux <jim_at_sigall.com> wrote: > >Scott wrote: > >>You guys are kidding, right? Why would anyone actually buy rocks? >>Why not use water jugs if you need more ballast? >> >> - Scott >> > > >I don't mean to laugh at Scott's expense, but perhaps we could make this >Ballast Rocks (tm) discussion an annual event. You know...see who can be >the first to lure a new lister out into the open, a sort of annual fall >festival of initiation?....eg: "fall is here, when the serious kayaker's >thoughts turn to changing foliage, crisp air and finding ballast rocks for >the winter" > like snipe hunting in colorado ;-) mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index of Paddling websites I manage] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page #-Fortune: "In a world without fences, who needs 'Gates'" -- Scott McNealy, CEO Sun Microsystems "In a world without walls, who needs 'Windows'" -- Dave Livigni *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Mark Zen wrote: > like snipe hunting in colorado ;-) > mark _______________________________________________________________________ Mark? You eat snipe? LOL %^) Cheers, Philip *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-09-17 09:31:55 EDT, Tomckayak_at_aol.com writes: > > << I paddled with someone who was to small for his Mariner II. He had to > loaded > stones into the bow >> > > Got a web site for those stones? > > Joq john winters probably has a boxcar full of canadian ballast stones. mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com----http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark ---- # mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index to club websites i administer] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Fortune: "In a world without fences, who needs 'Gates'" -- Scott McNealy "In a world without walls, who needs 'Windows'" -- Dave Livigni *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
It is also critical that the stones be placed into the kayak in the appropriate order. Start with the big stone, then medium, followed by the small stones. If you start with the little pebbles, then there may not be room for the big stones. This order also applies to life - deal with the big things first and then the little stuff. (Embedded image moved Mark Zen <canoeist_at_netbox.com> to file: 09/17/98 10:05 AM pic31160.pcx) Please respond to canoeist_at_netbox.com To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net cc: (bcc: Sidney Stone/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skegs my last Posting on this subject On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-09-17 09:31:55 EDT, Tomckayak_at_aol.com writes: > > << I paddled with someone who was to small for his Mariner II. He had to > loaded > stones into the bow >> > > Got a web site for those stones? > > Joq john winters probably has a boxcar full of canadian ballast stones. mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com----http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark ---- # mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index to club websites i administer] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Fortune: "In a world without fences, who needs 'Gates'" -- Scott McNealy "In a world without walls, who needs 'Windows'" -- Dave Livigni *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 Sidney_Stone_at_mail.amsinc.com wrote: > > > It is also critical that the stones be placed into the kayak in the > appropriate order. Start with the big stone, then medium, followed by the > small stones. If you start with the little pebbles, then there may not > be room for the big stones. This order also applies to life - deal with > the big things first and then the little stuff. > > I dunno, sometimes I think life works better the other way around. If you start with the biggest stuff first you can get overwhelmed and never finish anything. But if you start with the easy stuff you get through that and then you've got skills and experience and confidence to tackle the big stuff. Like getting in shape, start easy and work up to the hard stuff. Or learning new things, read the shortest and easiest text first and then it will be easier to understand the hard ones. Joy Hecht Arlington VA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Dan wrote; > >Last I heard, John Winters had a monopoly franchise on the superior >Official Canadian Ballast Rocks (TM). You might want to check out >John's web site (although I don't know if his rock page is up and >running yet): No need for a Canadian Ballast Rocks web page . They just sell themselves. Sort of like Donuts. I appreciate Dan's mention of them though which reveals how they have become the International standard of kayak safety devices. I should mention that Tim Ingram and I have kissed and made up and are now good friends. Keep a look out for a new hybrid safety device consisting of sponsons filled with Canadian Ballast Rocks. Called Spocks, they will sink kayak safety to new levels. May the fourth be with you. I am well aware of the glacial traffic of Canadian Ballast Rocks across the border and have asked the US Government to take action under the provisions of NAFTA that protect Canadian culture when and if we can find it. Fortunately the movement south is slow and, barring government paralysis while dealing with Slick Willy's love life, I am confident the illegal traffic will be stopped. A more serious threat comes from people like Alan Mazur. Apparently paddlers are seeking out Internet rock heads, holding their mouths open and shaking out pebbles into their kayaks. I want to caution Paddlewise readers against this practice. Researchers believe that Internet ignorance may be contagious and that proximity to the so called Internet Ignorance Rocks will result in terminal email congestion. Well, I am off to the Newfound Boatworks Rendezvous this weekend where I will meet Nick Schade and Michael Vermouth as well as many other builders of wood canoes and kayaks. Should be a lot of fun. I asked the professor to monitor my email but he is immersed in the study of Inuit tomb art and promises to have exciting revelations about who discovered the Euro paddle (apparently it was not the Europeans or even the Australians) when I return. Cheers, John Winters Redwing Designs Specialists in Human Powered Watercraft http://home.ican.net/~735769/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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