Anyone use these things? I sweat a lot in hot, humid weather and it seems a cotton liner would help keep me more comfortable and my bag a lot cleaner. In wintertime it would help keep body moisture from the bag, keep heat in and probably lower the bag's rating by a few degrees. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I have a silk liner a friend bought for me in Viet Nam. It packs small and feels great in any temperature. When it's hot, I can even through off the sleeping bag. I used to have a cotton flannel liner made by North Face. I wish I still had that one. It warmed a down bag that had a flock of thin spots. Barbara Richmond, Calif. At 10:04 AM 10/16/98 -0400, Sisler, Clyde wrote: >Anyone use these things? I sweat a lot in hot, humid weather and it seems a >cotton liner would help keep me more comfortable and my bag a lot cleaner. >In wintertime it would help keep body moisture from the bag, keep heat in >and probably lower the bag's rating by a few degrees. >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > > * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * --*--*-- Barbara Kossy Communications voice: 510-234-3479 fax: 510-234-6615 * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- *--* -- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I found a fleece sleeping bag at Target, very inexpensive, that works as a great bag liner. Bijili Abbey, Orangevale CA P.S. Did you ever live in Placerville, CA? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Although bag liners are terrific in the winter, I would suggest avoiding cotton ones. You tend to blow off a lot of moisture even if you're just happily lying still all night long. Moisture reduces the insulative value of the bag. The trick is to get the moisture to flow through the bag and out into the atmosphere, rather than have it in your bag. Thus anything absorbant, be it the inner liner, the bag, or the outer liner, is not a great idea for the winter. Also, drying out a bag while on a trip in the winter can be problematic. Even a high end bag will retain some moisture after you have been in it for a few hours. This is no big deal in the summer, for the bag will air out almost immediately. In the winter it just ices up. After a few days the moisture build up in the bag in the winter will start to be noticable, and if unattended can seriously affect the insulative efficiency of the bag. Thoroughly airing out the bag in the winter every day or two is important. The obvious question is how about using a cotton blanket as a liner to absorb the moisture rather than letting it get into the bag. I tried this for a week, and will never do it again. It did not help keep moisture out of the bag, and to make things worse, it left me with an iced up cotton blanket. The bottom line for crashing in the snow is to maximize the ability of you bag and liners to evaporate off moisture as you sleep. Use thin nylon or silk inner liners, or thick polypropelene/fleece inner liners if your bag needs a bit of help keeping you warm, but avoid cotton liners if you are going to be in the deep freeze for more than a couple of nights. Whatever you use, let it air out in the day for as long as possible. Richard Culpeper Happy and warm at -40 www.geocities.com/~culpeper Sisler, Clyde wrote: > Anyone use these things? I sweat a lot in hot, humid weather and it seems a > cotton liner would help keep me more comfortable and my bag a lot cleaner. > In wintertime it would help keep body moisture from the bag, keep heat in > and probably lower the bag's rating by a few degrees. > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
barbara said....... >I have a silk liner a friend bought for me in Viet Nam. It packs small and >feels great in any temperature. When it's hot, I can even through off the >sleeping bag. I used to have a cotton flannel liner made by North Face. I >wish I still had that one. It warmed a down bag that had a flock of thin spots. Use mine all year long, arn't they the best... Yours naturally sylvio lamarche Wycliffe organic gardens & Exotic locales all over the globe *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Sisler, Clyde wrote: > Anyone use these things? I sweat a lot in hot, humid weather and it seems a > cotton liner would help keep me more comfortable and my bag a lot cleaner. > In wintertime it would help keep body moisture from the bag, keep heat in > and probably lower the bag's rating by a few degrees. Yes! This summer was hot hot hot here and the liner on top of the bag was about *all* I could tolerate. Plus they are cheap enough to replace seasonally. I also use a fleece liner for winter camping in cold country since I have a tendency to be cold and sleeping bag ratings definitely do not reflect *my* comfort range. For really cold stuff, I use down, for yak camping or boating of any kind, I use a Sierra Designs Calamity Jane and add liners and a dog as necessary. Alice *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Clyde wrote; "Anyone use these things?" I've made several sleeping bag liners out of cotton sheets sewed together. Numerous times in hard conditions, I've been forced to climb into my bag after sweating all day, without washing. I hate sticking to the nylon bag. So I made a cotton liner that works great. It also helps if you sweat at night. The bag feels warmer too. And it's washable. Ken Mannshardt SF Bay Area *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 10:04 AM 10/16/98 -0400, Clyde Sisler wrote: >Anyone use these things? I sweat a lot in hot, humid weather and it seems a >cotton liner would help keep me more comfortable and my bag a lot cleaner. >In wintertime it would help keep body moisture from the bag, keep heat in >and probably lower the bag's rating by a few degrees. I use a cotton bag liner. It makes a nylon bag feel so much better when you sleep naked. Also, it gives you more options. If it's a hot night but too cool for nothing, just use the liner. A little cooler? spead the sleeping bag out over the liner. It's not cool, it's cold? slip the liner inside the bag and sleep inside them both. I even take it on most backpacking trips. It's worth the extra ounces. Bill Ridlon Southern Maine Sea Kayaking Network *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
---- you wrote: > At 10:04 AM 10/16/98 -0400, Clyde Sisler wrote: > >Anyone use these things? I sweat a lot in hot, humid weather and it seems a > >cotton liner would help keep me more comfortable and my bag a lot cleaner. Yes, I use a cotton liner inside my bag. Sometimes I uses a Capriline liner. Sometimes I use both. These liners are called "sweats" and "long-underwear." In really cold weather I wear a stocking hat and socks. But I always wear some sort of "body suit" inside the bag because it keeps the bag cleaner and prevents those annoying drafts that sneak in under the covers. In the Arctic (US Army) we used two sleeping bags. There are several "second" bags on the market for extreme cold. A moderately priced tapered "rectangular" bag works well as an outer bag when coupled with a good quality "mummy." But most of your heat loss is through conduction into the ground. A good sleeping pad is essential in cold weather. If you're using a short pad, you're losing heat through your legs. A pad of spare clothes under the legs can help. I use a dense foam pad under the legs to extend my Therma-Rest "short" pad. ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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