I'm planning an expedition in the Florida Everglades and I'll have to carry about 10 gallons of water for two of us. Any suggestions on water containers to use??. Thanks. Doug Engel *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Doug Engel wrote: > > I'm planning an expedition in the Florida Everglades and > I'll have to carry about 10 gallons of water for two of us. > Any suggestions on water containers to use??. I'd suggest cheap collapsible water containers or empty bleach bottles. -- Lloyd Bowles The Mad Canoeist "Keep the open side up!" http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/clearstreets/358/index.html *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:38 PM 11/24/98 -0500, Doug Engel wrote: >I'm planning an expedition in the Florida Everglades and >I'll have to carry about 10 gallons of water for two of us. >Any suggestions on water containers to use??. Thanks. Doug >Engel Doug, I hope that your trip is not anytime soon. It is still in the eighties in Central Florida and I wouldn't dream of heading into the Everglades until the first wave of cool air arrives to reduce the mosquito population. If the mosquitoes are bad, try the 10,000 islands area and find an exposed beach on the Gulf. That said, I always carry a gallon of water per person per day and use the REI water bladders since they are compact and conform to the hull, keeping the weight low. Whatever you use, keep the water away from the raccoons. I have heard stories of trips cut short due to holes chewed through water containers. Greg Stamer Orlando, Fl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Doug: This is all hypothetical but we have a similar problem. We are packing now for a 2.5 week trip in the Exumas in the Bahamas. We travel with our 7 year old daughter so our water consumption is about 2.7 gallons per day. We are using a Feathercraft K2. First, the classic, aluminized wine bladders are excellent. They can be distributed in various nooks of the boat and are form fitting and tough. We are also trying something else. Nautiraid makes a luxurious inflatable seat with a tough nylon cover, complete with handles. According to Seda, the Nautiraid dealer from whom we obtained the seats, and from our at home tests, these seats are entirely suited as water carrying containers. Imagine a water "bed" seat. Each holds 3.75 gallons and is of course quite comfortable. They have one drawback. Filling is through the twist closed valve on the inflation hose only. It takes a very long time to get completely topped up, even from a faucet. What is needed is some sort of rubber hose and funnel attachment -- a refinement we have not yet developed. We will know how all of this works in about a month. Hope your trip goes well. By the way, we treat any and all water we can find so if it is merely foul but not saline we will boil, filter and treat with pills and away we go. This certainly beats carrying water on long trips and we have never had waterborne sickness in 30+ years of outdoor adventuring. Good luck! Rich Doug Engel wrote: > > I'm planning an expedition in the Florida Everglades and > I'll have to carry about 10 gallons of water for two of us. > Any suggestions on water containers to use??. Thanks. Doug > Engel > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** -- Richard G. Mitchell, Jr. Department of Sociology Oregon State University Corvallis, OR 97331 U.S.A. (541) 752-1323 phone/fax mitchelr_at_ucs.orst.edu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Richard Mitchell wrote: > Doug: > This is all hypothetical but we have a similar problem. [snip] Nautiraid > makes a luxurious inflatable seat with a tough nylon cover, > complete with handles. According to Seda, the Nautiraid dealer > from whom we obtained the seats, and from our at home tests, > these seats are entirely suited as water carrying containers. > [snip] They have one drawback. Filling is > through the twist closed valve on the inflation hose only. It > takes a very long time to get completely topped up, even from a > faucet. What is needed is some sort of rubber hose and funnel > attachment -- a refinement we have not yet developed. Rich, what you need is a "T" connector incorporating a valve, with the sidearm of the "T" fitted with a larger-diameter hose (fits over the hose bib or sink faucet). I think these are available at RV equipment outlets, or through a chemical supply house. Might even be something workable at the hardware store, though perhaps not in a small enough diameter. BTW: What happens as you empty the seat -- do you inflate with air to maintain your position? Is "sloshing" a problem with a half-full (of water) seat? -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Also add the opposite; Kayaker was killed by his wife when she found condoms in his PFD. :-)) The real advantage of the condom is that you can put a lot of water in it for the size and weight you carry when not using it. It is good for the ultra small survival kit that you can slip into any pocket. If you have the space, carry something bigger and more sturdy. The suggestion of a wine bladder is a very good one as long as you do carry it. I was a boy scout, be prepared is the motto. Humor Alert!! Heck, with a knife, a match and a condom, I am ready for anything. :-))) :-))) end Humor alert!! For an excersize, think of the things you see around you when you go kayaking and think what you could use to carry water. In some areas it is not a problem as there are plenty of empty bottles and cans available. Various other items cam work, goards, animal skins or parts, etc. All of these things require you to either find them or catch, kill and clean them. An animal bladder makes a useable water carrier but trust me, the condom is much easier, and not as gross. Wilderness survival is every bit as rich and complex a field as sea (or whitewater) kayaking. The question becomes, how much time and effort do you want to devote to it? If you always paddle in well traveled areas then you probably want to concentrate on short term survival and attracting attention. A fire will help you get warm and dry and can be made to smoke to attract attention. If you are in a place where help is weeks or months away then your stratagy and preparation must be quite different. michael tomckayak_at_aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/12/98 12:26:24 PM EST, RTull303_at_aol.com writes: > > << explain why I needed to take condoms in the pocket of my > PFD :-) >> > I will add this to my list of fatal things kayakers forget. > Kayaker died due to lack of Condoms; (BASK) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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