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From: Frank Montbriand <fmont_at_capital.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Dry suit neck ring
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:32:16 -0500
Two weeks ago I was paddling in my dry suit, cold water but sunny 70 degree
day and overheated. I needed more ventilation and thought back to a short
article by  George Gronseth, published in Sea Kayker magazine about neck
rings. My questions are, does anyone use them, do they work well, safety
concerns?

frank


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From: Philip Wylie <pjwylie_at_planet.eon.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Dry suit neck ring
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 20:28:32 -0700
Frank Montbriand wrote:
> 
> Two weeks ago I was paddling in my dry suit, cold water but sunny 70 degree
> day and overheated. I needed more ventilation and thought back to a short
> article by  George Gronseth, published in Sea Kayker magazine about neck
> rings. My questions are, does anyone use them, do they work well, safety
> concerns?


Now we are going to incure the wrath of Julio for the use of
neck rings. This can be a really interesting debate (as I remember)
when it ran its course on Wavelength long ago. 

Involutary flooding of your drysuit
from a roll or capsize will convince you of the risks. Cold water
shock treatment, and the extra pounds added by water intake
will make self rescue interesting, if not outright difficult.
There will be much to be said on this topic by others I am certain.
Good question you have asked.

Cheers,

Philip
Edmonton,

Hey, anyone want a snowball?
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From: wayne steffens <wsteffen_at_skypoint.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Dry suit neck ring
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:40:11 -0600
Uh-oh.

Let me say this before things heat up, as a former proponent of neck rings
who took much flack for it a while back. I used to use one until the time I
purposely rolled in Lake Superior in May, forgetting that I had one on. I
was cured after that.

I still dont think they are as evil as some will portray them, but unless
you're perfect (I wasnt) you may be sorry (or worse) you wore one at some
point in the future.
If you never make a mistake, you'll be just fine. ;-) 

Wayne

At 09:32 PM 11/3/98 -0500, Frank Montbriand wrote:
>Two weeks ago I was paddling in my dry suit, cold water but sunny 70 degree
>day and overheated. I needed more ventilation and thought back to a short
>article by  George Gronseth, published in Sea Kayker magazine about neck
>rings. My questions are, does anyone use them, do they work well, safety
>concerns?
>
>frank
>
>
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From: K. Whilden <kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Dry suit neck ring
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:43:28 -0800 (PST)
My feeling is that neck rings work great for the scenario mentioned below. 
Rolling with the kind of neck ring I use, a 1 inch or so diameter rubber
tube, produces leakage of a few cups or maybe a quart of water. Even a
gallon or two of water wouldn't be lifethreatening in any way, unless you
are wearing sodium underwear. Of course, if the neck ring was hard to
remove, then an extended amount of water could enter the suit and cause
potentially serious problems. But the neck ring I use is so easy to
disengage by pushing it inside the latex collar. Yes it is still around
your neck, but so is the latex. When paddling in rough conditions where a
flip is possible, remove the neck ring. When paddling in calm conditions,
wear it if desired. So simple.
Cheers,
Kevin
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	/   Kevin Whilden   \
       |Dept. of Geosciences \___
       |University of Washington \
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On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Frank Montbriand wrote:

> Two weeks ago I was paddling in my dry suit, cold water but sunny 70 degree
> day and overheated. I needed more ventilation and thought back to a short
> article by  George Gronseth, published in Sea Kayker magazine about neck
> rings. My questions are, does anyone use them, do they work well, safety
> concerns?
> 
> frank
> 
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From: <Geruta_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Dry suit neck ring
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:45:23 EST
In a message dated 98-11-04 17:07:46 EST, kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu writes:

<< My feeling is that neck rings work great for the scenario mentioned below. 
 Rolling with the kind of neck ring I use, a 1 inch or so diameter rubber
 tube,  >>
what kind and where from??
george ruta
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