I'm wondering if anyone else on this list is interested in figuring out if there's a way we can take advantage of the sea kayaking related resources of the folks on this list. There are a lot of people here who provide lots of good services, and I for one, would turn to someone I know here for a piece of gear, shuttle service, or guided trip before I'd go to a stranger. Maybe we could create a sort of PaddleWise Yellow Pages. What do you think? Barbara * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * --*--*--*-- Sea Kayak Italia - Elba, Italy http://www.seakayakitaly.com tel. 650-728-8720 fax 650-728-8753 * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- *--* --*-- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Barbara, I think a kayaking yellow pages is an excellent idea. It would be easy to setup a web page with an alphabetical listing of services combined with an index sorted by the type of product/service. The question is, where would we host such a page. Is there room on the server that holds the other Paddlewise stuff? --Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Kossy [SMTP:bkossy_at_igc.apc.org] > Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 2:22 PM > To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise Yellow Pages > > I'm wondering if anyone else on this list is interested in figuring out if > there's a way we can take advantage of the sea kayaking related resources > of the folks on this list. There are a lot of people here who provide lots > of good services, and I for one, would turn to someone I know here for a > piece of gear, shuttle service, or guided trip before I'd go to a > stranger. > Maybe we could create a sort of PaddleWise Yellow Pages. > What do you think? > Barbara > * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * --*--*--*-- > Sea Kayak Italia - Elba, Italy > http://www.seakayakitaly.com > tel. 650-728-8720 fax 650-728-8753 > * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- *--* --*-- > > ************************************************************************** > * > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > ************************************************************************** > * *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> Barbara, > > I think a kayaking yellow pages is an excellent idea. It would be easy > to setup a web page with an alphabetical listing of services combined with > an index sorted by the type of product/service. The question is, where > would we host such a page. Is there room on the server that holds the other > Paddlewise stuff? > > --Tim Sorry all, but InteleNet has been *extremely* generous in donating hosting services for *six* paddling-related lists as well as donating space for three paddling-related websites. I would not ask them to donate more space for commercial yellow pages. Also, the folks managing these lists and websites are volunteering their time. InteleNet does not profit from this and in fact, is donating the services and equipment with no compensation whatsoever. I would be glad to include a link on the PaddleWise website (pending review) to such a page if someone else would like to donate space on their server as well as donate their time to set it up and maintain it. Cheers, Jackie list-owner *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
There is a vast array of commercial sites offering free space for the insertion of some sort of banner or link. The most inobtrusive is xoom (where I have my journal page down below) which requires a small button link at the bottom of the index (first) page for 11 megabytes. There are also geocities and tripod, but they extend the requirements radically. Many AOL'ers do not know that they are entitled to 10 megabytes spread over their 5 allowed screen names and it is an extremely fast server. by the way, 10 or 11 megabytes is a huge amount of webspace if they are designed correctly- I am expecting to be able to put on over a year and a half of images (image per day) conservatively on this space before I run out. Jackie Fenton wrote: > > > Barbara, > > > > I think a kayaking yellow pages is an excellent idea. It would be easy > > to setup a web page with an alphabetical listing of services combined with > > an index sorted by the type of product/service. The question is, where > > would we host such a page. Is there room on the server that holds the other > > Paddlewise stuff? > > > > --Tim > > Sorry all, but InteleNet has been *extremely* generous in donating > hosting services for *six* paddling-related lists as well as donating > space for three paddling-related websites. I would not ask them to > donate more space for commercial yellow pages. Also, the folks > managing these lists and websites are volunteering their time. > InteleNet does not profit from this and in fact, is donating the > services and equipment with no compensation whatsoever. > > I would be glad to include a link on the PaddleWise website (pending > review) to such a page if someone else would like to donate space on > their server as well as donate their time to set it up and maintain it. > > Cheers, > > Jackie > list-owner > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** -- gabriel l romeu http://members.aol.com/romeug studio furniture http://members.aol.com/romeugp paintings, photos, prints, etc. http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR a daily photo journal *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> I'm wondering if anyone else on this list is interested in figuring out if > there's a way we can take advantage of the sea kayaking related resources > of the folks on this list. There are a lot of people here who provide lots > of good services, and I for one, would turn to someone I know here for a > piece of gear, shuttle service, or guided trip before I'd go to a stranger. > Maybe we could create a sort of PaddleWise Yellow Pages. > What do you think? > Barbara > * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * --*--*--*-- > Sea Kayak Italia - Elba, Italy > http://www.seakayakitaly.com > tel. 650-728-8720 fax 650-728-8753 > * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- *--* --*-- I think this is a great idea, Barbara. I'd say go for it! If you set up a yellow pages directory on your web site, we'll add a link to it from the PaddleWise web page :-) Cheers, Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Barbara, Hope I don't seem to be pouring cold (salt) water on your idea. Even though I'm accessing this list on my employer's computer, and I am indirectly in the kayaking business, I am not here as a spokesperson for my employer - I'm here as a "civilian". I have occasionally responded privately to Paddlewisers looking for obscure kibbles and bits for kayaks that my employer happens to sell, but it has always been in response to a specific request, and involved very low value items. I have deliberately never offered suggestions on big ticket items. In any such messages, I identify who I work for, and that I am not commission. I honestly feel that I am simply trying to help my fellow Paddlewisers on these occasions, and as far as I know, that's how they've felt too (I've received no complaints). One of the things I enjoy most about this list is its non-commercial nature. I don't have to wade through gaudy ads, and I can get a variety of perspectives on any topic. Naturally, the conversation ranges into equipment as well as technique. When it does, folks often include a link to a supplier they're recommending, and that works well enough for me. It's nice that you (and I) think of our fellow Paddlewisers as family, and would go to them first for equipment or travel. (It's also nice that if you have something to offer, such as spaces available on a lovely trip, that you would like to make them available to "friends and family" first.) But one of the strengths of a family is that they listen first to your particular needs and situation, before offering advice, if any. In the same way, if I go on line, indicate my experience, physical shape and intended uses, I receive gear information more tailored and relevant to me than if I simply read an ad. I can find ads through a websearch already so a yellow pages would not offer much "value added" to me. My concern would be that the yellow pages would be the "thin end of the wedge". The "letterhead" that some of us have on our Email gives me enough information about the particular resources that our different members offer. Plus, by reading their letters, I get a better sense of who they are and what they're about than I would reading a ad. We do have access to a lot of valuable professional advice from the group, and I enjoy my current sense that they are on the list from a pure love of the sport, and not just 'cos they are looking for an opportunity to plug their products or services. I'd be concerned if we had ads that some folks would subscribe to Paddlewise just cause that's what they had to do to post an ad. Who would be the gatekeeper of the ads, and what criteria would they use? About the only reason I can imagine being in favour of this would be if our host, the lovely and talented Jackie, actually needed the ad revenue to keep Paddlewise going. That's up to her of course, as our benevolent dictator. But if it's a vote, I'd have to come down agin it. I'd be in favour of exceptions of a noncommercial nature: people looking for shuttles; for trip companions; or for romance. I can picture our first personal ad now: "SWM into rubber, tight skirts and watersports, seeks . . . " Cheers, Philip T. At 02:22 PM 12/11/98 -0800, you wrote: >I'm wondering if anyone else on this list is interested in figuring out if >there's a way we can take advantage of the sea kayaking related resources >of the folks on this list. There are a lot of people here who provide lots >of good services, and I for one, would turn to someone I know here for a >piece of gear, shuttle service, or guided trip before I'd go to a stranger. >Maybe we could create a sort of PaddleWise Yellow Pages. >What do you think? >Barbara >* -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * --*--*--*-- > Sea Kayak Italia - Elba, Italy > http://www.seakayakitaly.com > tel. 650-728-8720 fax 650-728-8753 >* -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- *--* --*-- > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > **************************************** Mountain Equipment Co-op 1655 West 3rd Avenue, Vancouver, BC, Canada V6J 1K1 Tel: 640-732-1989 Fax: 604-731-6483 email: pid_at_mec.ca Visit our website at: http://www.mec.ca ***************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Hi There, I'm sort of a newcomer to the list but have access to plenty of web space and technical know-how to host such a list. In fact, I would like to set it up in such a way that list members can add themselves to the list or modify their information through a form on the site. I could also guarantee that there would be no advertising on these pages, ie. no revenue for me in hosting them. I think the biggest question to be answered is: 1) Who is allowed to place information on the list? Only paddlewise list members or everybody? If we allow only list members we would have to use some password which we could post to the list every now and then. If not, I think we may defeat the purpose of the listing. Let me know if you would like me to begin working on this and I will get crackin. Barbara, if you were planning on doing it yourself just let me know, but from the sound of your message I didn't think you were planning on doing it yourself. Respectfully, Brent http://www.paddling.net/ Barbara Kossy wrote: > > I'm wondering if anyone else on this list is interested in figuring out if > there's a way we can take advantage of the sea kayaking related resources > of the folks on this list. There are a lot of people here who provide lots > of good services, and I for one, would turn to someone I know here for a > piece of gear, shuttle service, or guided trip before I'd go to a stranger. > Maybe we could create a sort of PaddleWise Yellow Pages. > What do you think? > Barbara > * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * --*--*--*-- > Sea Kayak Italia - Elba, Italy > http://www.seakayakitaly.com > tel. 650-728-8720 fax 650-728-8753 > * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- *--* --*-- > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Barbara K. wrote: ..snip.. >Maybe we could create a sort of PaddleWise Yellow Pages. >What do you think? Phillip T. at Mountain Equipment Co-op answered: >Hope I don't seem to be pouring cold (salt) water on your idea. ..snip.. >One of the things I enjoy most about this list is its non-commercial >nature. I don't have to wade through gaudy ads, and I can get a variety of >perspectives on any topic. ..snip.. >I can find ads through a websearch already so a yellow >pages would not offer much "value added" to me. My concern would be that >the yellow pages would be the "thin end of the wedge". ..snip.. >About the only reason I can imagine being in favour of this would be if our >host, the lovely and talented Jackie, actually needed the ad revenue to >keep Paddlewise going. That's up to her of course, as our benevolent >dictator. But if it's a vote, I'd have to come down agin it. >I'd be in favour of exceptions of a noncommercial nature: people looking >for shuttles; for trip companions; or for romance. I agree with Phil in about everything he said, including what I've snipped from his message. I'm commercial, too, blatantly so, owning a kayak and canoe paddle manufacturing company. I try to keep this low key enough that hardly ever even include my affiliation to the company. I do often append my name with "paddle maker" or something similar when answering posts of a technical nature, to add what little credibility I can to the answer. Otherwise, I just try to stay a citizen, civilian, whatever, like Phil. I'm really against getting any commercialism on this listserver (It was formed because of blatant commercialism by one guy). A separate web yellow pages as described may be okay, but I wouldn't use it much. I usually research what I want quite well and don't let the hype get in my way. Hank Hays *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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