Some time ago there was a discussion about transporting stoves on airlines. The conclusion being that most traditional backpackers stoves are not allowed on commercial airplanes for safety reasons. (Thank god Kaczensky (sp?) didn't have a modern stove.) A couple of stoves were mentioned as possible alternatives. Well, today I was flipping through a catalog my wife borrowed from a co-worker (thanks Julie). They have a little stove designed to burn twigs that is cheap. Check it out at : http://www.sportsmansguide.com/ and search on "Pocket Cooker" to get a picture and description. (it should be the 8th item in the search results list) Very small and it's hard to go wrong for $10. :) They also have an Alcohol Stove that, IIRC, should be able to be taken on an airplane. Mel --- "There are no stupid questions, just stupid people." Mr. Garrison - South Park -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> and search on "Pocket Cooker" to get a picture and description. (it should be the 8th item in the search results list) Very small and it's hard to go wrong for $10. :) To go directly without searching try ... http://www.sportsmansguide.com/catalog/showad.cgi?adid=312&productid=714 I actually got one of those some time ago. I never got a chance to use it though. It is so small that I actually managed to misplace it and couldn't find it later. I am sure it is still somewhere about my house. While you are at it, you can get the kids a little kayak. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/catalog/showad.cgi?adid=445&productid=817 It may be small and cheap enough that you could put it into the pocket of your PFD and if disaster strikes, you can take it out, and blow it up. Either that, or keep it for gags. Hey ... check out my new 'personal watercraft' .... neal_at_bellhow.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 05:21 PM 1/6/99 -0500, you wrote: While you are at it, you can get >the kids a little kayak. > >http://www.sportsmansguide.com/catalog/showad.cgi?adid=445&productid=817 > >It may be small and cheap enough that you could put it into >the pocket of your PFD and if disaster strikes, you can take >it out, and blow it up. Either that, or keep it for gags. > >Hey ... check out my new 'personal watercraft' .... > >neal_at_bellhow.com > Cool pic! The "Li'l Aleut Kayak"--gotta be a John Winters design. :~) JS *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>> While you are at it, you can get the kids a little kayak. >> >>http://www.sportsmansguide.com/catalog/showad.cgi?adid=445&productid=817 >> >> > >Cool pic! The "Li'l Aleut Kayak"--gotta be a John Winters design. :~) > > not with that name ;-) --- and look built in sp*ns*ns i gotta get paddling!! i'm starting to see foliage through the snow!! mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index of Paddling websites I manage] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page #-Fortune: "In a world without fences, who needs 'Gates'" -- Scott McNealy, CEO Sun Microsystems "In a world without walls, who needs 'Windows'" -- Dave Livigni *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
John wrote; > >Cool pic! The "Li'l Aleut Kayak"--gotta be a John Winters design. :~) > Unfortunately not one of mine. :-) I bet the manufacturer sells more of those than all the sea kayaks sold in North America. If I had designed It I might be as rich as a paddle maker and could quit flogging those rocks. Cheers, John Winters Redwing Designs Specialists in Human Powered Watercraft http://home.ican.net/~735769/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:08:23 John Winters wrote: >I bet the manufacturer sells more of those than all the sea kayaks sold in >North America. If I had designed It I might be as rich as a paddle maker >and could quit flogging those rocks. You beat/torture the CBR's?!? This confirms my suspicion that CBR's are created in sweat shops (or at the very least in very hot locations...) :) Mel --- There are three types of people, those who can count and those who can't. -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Thanks for the tip! I have been looking for a pair of Steiner binoculars for weeks and they had em on special for $139! I was going to pay $200 last night at Wolfs! Bought the stove too... cya *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/6/1999 4:56:08 PM EST, grindol_at_my-dejanews.com writes: << They also have an Alcohol Stove that, IIRC, should be able to be taken on an airplane. Nope! Can't do it even an alcohol stove! There are three wood burning ones actually. Two of them have fans to blow air in by Sierra. a big one adna small one. Then there is a flat folding one that depends on a draft to suck in air. It folds up pretty flat. For those of us who like to cook on wood fires, they are pretty neat. Butn about anything, pine cones included. John *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Presuming the airlines permit transport of your gas burning stove, after it has been thoroughly emptied and cleaned, what fuel will be available upon arrival? White gas is ideal but as most of us have discovered, it is not always available, especially in international travel. While kerosene is the widely advocated alternative to white gas in many camp stoves we discovered it was not readily available in the Bahamas at the venues accessible to us. We searched for alternatives and finally in desperation took a couple of quarts of pump unleaded. A workable choice in our Whisperlite but by no means the best. After the fact, we took up the problem with MSR and obtained some interesting recommendations. First, we should have taken our MSR GK II (or a Dragonfly) for best multi-fuel applications, or the Whisperlite International 600 if kerosene was available. Second, avoid pump gas at all costs. The MSR folks were full of horror stories of corroded stoves that had only short sessions of use with pump fuels. Third, read the fine print. I learned that "paint thinner" would have been a ideal substitute if it were comprised of 100% stoddard solvent (not the cheaper variants containing turpentine). Paint thinner of high quality was available but in ignorance I passed it by. Stoddard solvent is the same "cleaning solvent" used at dry cleaners so if a cleaning establishment has some *unused* still clean fluid to sell, that would work too. Every trip, another lesson. Rich Mitchell *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Isn't it the fuel that is not allowed, rather than the stove? Robert Mel wrote: >Some time ago there was a discussion about transporting stoves on >airlines. The conclusion being that most traditional backpackers stoves >are not allowed on commercial airplanes for safety reasons. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 11:33 AM 1/7/99 -0600, you wrote: >Isn't it the fuel that is not allowed, rather than the stove? > Robert > In a word, no. Government regulations (not airline policies) forbid carrying not only the fuels, but any stoves or fuel bottles that have EVER contained fuel (Sorry for the "shouting" - just have to stress this.) This is the case in Canada at least, and since we mostly take our cues from the US FAA, I imagine it's true in the States too. I believe the concern is that fuel fumes are actually potentially more dangerous than liquid fuel. Hope this helps. Cheers, Philip T. N49°16' W123°08' "The opinions expressed in this posting are not necessarily those of my employer, or indeed, of any sentient being." *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/7/1999 1:11:30 PM EST, rcline_at_onramp.net writes: << Isn't it the fuel that is not allowed, rather than the stove? Robert >> Nope! The stove too whether new or used or cleaned or anything.Fuel has always been taboo. Now it is the stove too. Wanna know why? The feds raided a place that was building bombs into camping stove fuel tanks. The X-ray machines only picked up the image of the stove and tank, not the inner workings of teh bomb. I uded tobe a police officer, have lots of friends that still are. One showed me the "blotter" as they are called outlining how to recognise them. Frankly, I can live without my stove on board or a mad bombers "stove bomb" on board also. A small price to pay to keep teh plane in the air and not on the ground in pieces. John *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Product Information Department wrote: > At 11:33 AM 1/7/99 -0600, you wrote: > >Isn't it the fuel that is not allowed, rather than the stove? > > Robert > > > In a word, no. Government regulations (not airline policies) forbid > carrying not only the fuels, but any stoves or fuel bottles that have EVER > contained fuel (Sorry for the "shouting" - just have to stress this.) This > is the case in Canada at least, and since we mostly take our cues from the > US FAA, I imagine it's true in the States too. I believe the concern is > that fuel fumes are actually potentially more dangerous than liquid fuel. > Hope this helps. > > Cheers, > Philip T. you are correct in your assumption ;-) my conversations w/combat pilots indicated they were most concerned with not coming back with half a tank of gas, or less, the more VAPOR [less liquid] the more explosive... mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com----http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark ---- # mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index to club websites i administer] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Fortune: "In a world without fences, who needs 'Gates'" -- Scott McNealy "In a world without walls, who needs 'Windows'" -- Dave Livigni *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Hi All! I had the opportunity to try one of the Pocket Cookers (or a similar item) a couple of years ago. Alas, there is always a good possibility of "operator error", but I never did get it to boil water. (sure got my coffeepot black, tho!) Anyone else on the list ever really USE one? It seemed to be a just the thing for an emergency stove in the trunk, or on a snowmachine, but I just couldn't get enough "HOT!!!" out of it. Just curious. Steve J. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Steve Jernigan wrote: > > Hi All! > I had the opportunity to try one of the Pocket Cookers (or a similar item) > a couple of years ago. Alas, there is always a good possibility of > "operator error", but I never did get it to boil water. (sure got my > coffeepot black, tho!) Anyone else on the list ever really USE one? It > seemed to be a just the thing for an emergency stove in the trunk, or on a > snowmachine, but I just couldn't get enough "HOT!!!" out of it. Just > curious. Steve J. I reviewed one of these for my newsletter back in 1994. Not the Sierra Stove with battery but rather one that was made in Israel and sold through Gander Mountain for $15.95. I haven't checked but was told by some readers who followed up a year or two later that it no longer was being offered. The stove is/was pyramid shape, totally collapsible to a flat package that would fit in a provided nylon bag. Folded down it was the size of a small book. It has a door on one side. the object is to feed in wood from the side rather than from the top as in the Sierra Stove. This allows you to use more than just twigs. You could get a small branch and feed it in if you liked, but twigs could be also feed in that way. The top had prongs on which a coffee pot would sit and blacken a lot of course. It weighed slightly over a pound. The stated time for boiling 3 cups of water at sea level was 10 minutes. However, using quite dry kindling, I got 3 cups boiling like mad in just 5 minutes and extrapolated that it would do a quart in around 8 minutes certainly. That is not bad compared to the stated 5 to 6 minute for boiling a quart of water on gas stoves such as MSRs. Obviously different wood supply would achieve different results but it most definitely will bring water to boil. I think its shape is what made it work so well, a terrific draft from the sides and bottom and the pyramid sides concentrating all that heat up in a relatively small area where you put the pot. I know that there are other such products floating around. My quest for one was peaked by a woman I knew (the same one with the duct taped neck gasket) who had found one some where in the Adirondaks and regularly boiled water for tea and coffee on it just using twings off the ground. Hers had last a few seasons but was on the verge of burning through the last time I saw it which was quite a few years ago. I liked that it did not require a battery and folded flat. Also that ability to feed sizable branches in from the side and push them in further as they burnt. It looked like something that you could carry along with a small supply of firestarter type wood or the Fire Ribbon stuff in a tube. This way, if you ran into situations where everything was wet at your campsite, you would have enough to see you through with what you brought along. It weigth terms, the stove and the emergency back up fire starter stuff would be just slightly more than the lighest gas stove and fuel. But of course you would and could use what you found along the way and never resort to the backup fuel. ralph -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 07:53 PM 1/7/99 -0800, rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com wrote: >The stove is/was pyramid shape, totally collapsible to a flat package >It weighed slightly over a pound. > >Obviously different wood supply would achieve different results but it >most definitely will bring water to boil. > Sounds like the same basic stove. I seem to recall burning my fingers on a hinged door on the side while loading twigs. Might be worth a second look, 'cause it sure would be a handy little item. Thanx everyone for the feedback! S. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I had the opportunity to try one of the Pocket Cookers (or a similar item) a couple of years ago. Alas, there is always a good possibility of "operator error", but I never did get it to boil water. (sure got my ------------ I just bought something called Esbit Pocket Stove for emergency use from Campmor for $9.99 that runs on solid fuel tablets. Haven't tried it yet but the propoganda talks about how it's designed to produce more 'Hot'. http://www.campmor.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=226&prrfnbr =1055 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
That's the stove on sale for $9.99. I ordered 2. I suppose one could buy a little battery powered fan at the dollar store if you wanted to smelt iron. cu > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of > Steve Jernigan > Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 11:17 AM > To: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com; paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Transportable stoves > > > At 07:53 PM 1/7/99 -0800, rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com wrote: > > >The stove is/was pyramid shape, totally collapsible to a flat package > >It weighed slightly over a pound. > > > >Obviously different wood supply would achieve different > results but it > >most definitely will bring water to boil. > > > > Sounds like the same basic stove. I seem to recall burning my > fingers on a > hinged door on the side while loading twigs. Might be worth a > second look, > 'cause it sure would be a handy little item. > Thanx everyone for the feedback! S. > ************************************************************** > ************* > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > ************************************************************** > ************* > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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