Well, one option is to use a paddle float for a re-entry and roll. You may not need it for the roll itself, but you can lean on it while you reattach your spray skirt. John > >In addition to my last request for info, I went out today with a couple of >friends to try the paddle float and the re-entry and roll in rough >conditions. The float was good, but took a while. We tried paddling with it >still attatched, as a novice might need to do this one day. It worked, but >a rudder was needed for directional control to get back to shore. The >re-enter and roll (no float attatched) worked very well for initial speed >(seconds!) but skirt reattachment took 4 minutes between being flipped >back over, etc, as taking the hands off the paddle left one very >vulnerable. If there are any advocates of the re-entry and roll, I'd like >to hear how they manage with skirt reattachment in stormy seas. I know >there was a thread recently on the re-entry and roll, but I was unable to >participate at that time-sorry. > >PS I heard on the radio while heading to the beach that authorities were >looking for a kayaker off Bellingham, Wash. Hope it turned out okay. > >Doug Lloyd >Victoria BC >Canada >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > <---------------------------------------------> John Baughman P.O. Box 41037 Dayton, Oh 45441 johnb_at_your-net.com MoTown Forever! Ohio State '72 GO BUCKS! http://www3.your-net.com/~johnb <---------------------------------------------> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Last summer, a friend of mine and I went out about 100 yards off shore in Lake Superior. Waves were about 2 to 2 1/2 feet. He is a BCU Coach 2, and quite capable paddler. He tried a paddle float rescue several times and couldn't do it. He then did a "reentry and roll" and was successful on the first try. I am reminded what Ken Fink said at a symposium in response to a question about whether a person could do this in rough water. His resonse was: "I don't know if you can do it, go out and see if you can". >John Baughman > > >At 07:06 AM 1/7/80 -0800, you wrote: >>My computer crashed a couple of weeks ago, so I've been out of the loop - >>not sure if anyone recently has had a thread going on regarding the paddle >>float rescue. I am doing a major survey of the rescue technique, and would >>like to know what the "gang" out there thinks about this device. I find it >----snip-------- <---------------------------------------------> John Baughman P.O. Box 41037 Dayton, Oh 45441 johnb_at_your-net.com MoTown Forever! Ohio State '72 GO BUCKS! http://www3.your-net.com/~johnb <---------------------------------------------> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Some thoughts about paddlefloat rescue: You can do it without fastening it to rear deck, but it's tougher. And it's still difficult to pump out your boat in rough and windy conditions. Foam floats go on easier and quicker, but are not as easy to stow conveniently, being bulky. I've become, like many others, a convert to the re-entry roll technique. I think it's actually easier than a standard paddle float self-rescue, but a regular roll is my first choice of self rescue. And it's still difficult to re-enter a boat and get braced in rough water. Then factor in cold. PBS recently ran a Nova show called Escape. It had some segments on guys in cold water tanks trying to do simple tasks like popping a flare. It's amazing how quickly you become very uncoordinated if you've been in cool water long. I'm considering carrying an inflatable rescue seat as the last line of defense when solo paddling. If it's rough enough that I go over and blow my rolls, then I'm probably gonna need more help than a paddle float, especially in 55 F water. ___________________ Rob Gendreau Oakland, California gendreau_at_ccnet.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>You can do it without fastening it to rear deck, but it's tougher. And it's >still difficult to pump out your boat in rough and windy conditions. ----------------------- I dug out part of a report on a surf zone course I took last year. Thought it might be appropiate to this thread: ----------------------- After lunch we launched into some larger surf and paddled to another part of the beach where steeper 3-5 foot waves were breaking over a sandbar. Now I could see them and told an instructor to get ready for some rescues because I was going to get a lot more aggressive. Sure enough, I got knocked sideways and leaned too far into a wave and took a dump. (Not that kind, I fell over <g>). When they came to rescue me, I told them I wanted to do a self-rescue. What a disaster! First, both sandals had come loose and were being held on by the strap across the instep. I'm between the kayak and shore and the instructor tells me to get on the other side of the kayak. The wind is blowing on shore and I tell him I want to be on the downwind side so the kayak is not being blown away from me. He disagrees and wins as I get to the upwind side away from the shore. I got the paddle float out from under the bungies and started inflating one side with my elbow hooked over the stern. A wave came along and knocked me off of the kayak and it floated away. An instructor kindly brought it back to me. I stuck my arm under the bungies this time. I stuck the paddle in the float, inflated the other side but forgot to attach the strap to the paddle shaft. When I tried to lift my leg up on the float, it too floated away. An instructor kindly brought it back to me. I then attached the float to the shaft. So I try again and am up on the rear deck when a wave catches me broadside. I didn’t have enough weight on the float so lost my balance and took another swim. Meanwhile, the instructors would say here comes a big one and I would get hammered again. I get up on the rear deck again, and try to get my feet in the cockpit but my sandals are both flopping around and I have a pretty hard time getting them and my feet in. Finally I do and I’m now sitting in a cockpit full of water in 3-5 foot waves that fortunately are 6-8 seconds apart and not much chop or anything in between. I get hit by another wave and decide facing into the waves would probably be a good thing. I get turned into them, set the paddle so I can lean my power elbow on the float for support and start pumping. Do you know how long it takes to pump out a cockpit full of water? My elbow gets sore so I switch the paddle to the other side but can’t get my balance so move it back. I’m negotiating 3-4 waves with no problem, keeping the kayak straight and just rolling over them. I get more than half the water out of the cockpit and here comes a 5 footer. We go up the wave the same as we did with the 3-4 footers but didn’t go any higher. I punched through the last foot or so of the wave and of course the cockpit filled up again. Eventually I got the cockpit empty and the spray skirt back on and joined the others. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 2/21/99 9:16:16 AM EST, johnb_at_your-net.com writes: << He is a BCU Coach 2, and quite capable paddler. He tried a paddle float rescue several times and couldn't do it. . >> Sounds like he should turn in his Badge.:} That said I do prefer the reenter and roll second only to the stay in your boat and roll. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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