I saw a short clip of a US Coast Guard helicopter rescuing some guy from chaotic waves (dunno what he was doing out there) off the Oregon Coast somewhere. The commentary included a statement saying something to the effect that this particular area can be very deceptive because a calm surface sometimes conceals extremely turbulent waters beblow. Does that statement make sense to anyone? Clyde Sisler http://csisler.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> The commentary included a statement saying something to the >effect that this particular area can be very deceptive because a calm >surface sometimes conceals extremely turbulent waters beblow. >Does that statement make sense to anyone? > --A little. I've heard it from SKers near Barnegat Bay but no idea of what they were specifically referrring to. I've been on some whitewater rivers where there would be long sections of 'comparatively' quiet water, i.e. no waves and smooth looking. But it would be a mess of churning boils that would move my boat all over the place, even try to sink it between two adjacent ones. These are due to big rocks and uneven surfaces underwater deflecting waterflow. Think of them as Vertical Eddies. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Sisler, Clyde wrote: > I saw a short clip of a US Coast Guard helicopter rescuing some guy from > chaotic waves (dunno what he was doing out there) off the Oregon Coast > somewhere. The commentary included a statement saying something to the > effect that this particular area can be very deceptive because a calm > surface sometimes conceals extremely turbulent waters beblow. > > Does that statement make sense to anyone? > > Clyde Sisler > http://csisler.com unfortunately, we have a piece of the colorado river that looks "deceptively calm" while the current underwater are very strong. this is due to lava having pushed to the surface long ago, and then the river has worn away the rest of the surounding soil. now there are tunnels and"cups" and stuff to create pretty wild channels & shoots, but the surface can be smooth as glass. stick your paddle in deep, and the water forces can be stong enough to flip a fully loaded tandem touring canoe!! and a boy scout or two die there every couple years, swimming in this area, jumping from the rocks. sucked under, and washed/flushed downstream. mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com----http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark ---- # mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index to club websites i administer] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Fortune: Nothing pains some people more than having to think. --Martin Luther King, Jr. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Having lived on Netarts bay (west of Tillamook) for a while, I can say that the Oregon coast is not totally benign. Netarts bay is the outlet of the Trask River, and the tidal current often runs faster than small outboard boats. The rocky shore no doubt breeds strong currents. There are seal cubbing grounds around Netarts/Oceanside, and those attract predators; few locals surf along that coast. Strong winds bring the odd board sailor to the coast, and provide slope soaring off of the cliffs. When the winds are strong enough, the flatlanders come over from Portland to watch the storms. The place is beautiful. bob phillips ex Oregonner *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Phlopz_at_aol.com wrote: > > Having lived on Netarts bay (west of Tillamook) for a while, I can say that > the Oregon coast is not totally benign. Steph Dutton, having done the BC to BC solo trip, refers to the Oregon coast as "where the devil hangs out when he's not in Hell." Never been there myself, but would like to go sometime. In good weather. Steve -- Test Scoring & Reporting Services Sometimes, you never can University of Georgia always tell what you Athens, GA 30602-5593 least expect the most. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Steve Cramer wrote: > > Phlopz_at_aol.com wrote: > > > > Having lived on Netarts bay (west of Tillamook) for a while, I can say that > > the Oregon coast is not totally benign. > > Steph Dutton, having done the BC to BC solo trip, refers to the Oregon > coast as "where the devil hangs out when he's not in Hell." Never been > there myself, but would like to go sometime. In good weather. > > Steve > -- > Test Scoring & Reporting Services Sometimes, you never can > University of Georgia always tell what you > Athens, GA 30602-5593 least expect the most. > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** Good weather?? Reminds me of the story of the kid walking down the street in Portland. A car with California plates pulls over, the passenger window rolls down, and a woman asks, "Does it ever stop raining here"? The kid replies, "How would I know, I'm only six." Roger, out west of Portland, where it's just misting at the moment. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I just have to respond to this...forgive my impulsiveness. Netarts Bay is the outlet of no rivers, and hence has no native salmon or steelhead run. Tillamook Bay, just to the north, is the outlet for 5 rivers, namely the Miami, Kilchis, Wilson, Trask, and Tillamook. Tillamook Bay does play host to native salmon and steelhead, in spite of intensive logging and farming activities. These bays, and the Oregon coast in general, are butt-ugly. It rains all the time, the winds howls off the ocean, and gigantic logging trucks try to run you over. In fact, things are so bad here, that several sections of the coastal highway washed away due to severe winter storms. Cape Lookout State Park suffered extreme damage from high winds, waves, and tides. If it's beautiful scenery you desire, you can't do any better than Kansas or Oklahoma. > From: Phlopz_at_aol.com > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:24:49 EST > To: Clyde.Sisler_at_wang.com, paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Oregon coast > Having lived on Netarts bay (west of Tillamook) for a while, I can say that > the Oregon coast is not totally benign. Netarts bay is the outlet of the > Trask River, and the tidal current often runs faster than small outboard > boats. The rocky shore no doubt breeds strong currents. > > There are seal cubbing grounds around Netarts/Oceanside, and those attract > predators; few locals surf along that coast. Strong winds bring the odd board > sailor to the coast, and provide slope soaring off of the cliffs. When the > winds are strong enough, the flatlanders come over from Portland to watch the > storms. > > The place is beautiful. > > bob phillips > ex Oregonner > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** > ********************************************************************** Bradford R. Crain E-mail: brad_at_mth.pdx.edu Dept. of Mathematics Phone: (503) 725-3127 Portland State Univ. FAX: (503) 725-3661 P.O. Box 751 Portland, Or. 97207 ********************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 2:50 PM +0000 26/3/99, BRADFORD R. CRAIN wrote: > These bays, and the Oregon coast in general, are butt-ugly. >It rains all the time, the winds howls off the ocean, and gigantic >logging trucks try to run you over. In fact, things are so bad here, >that several sections of the coastal highway washed away due to >severe winter storms. Cape Lookout State Park suffered extreme >damage from high winds, waves, and tides. > If it's beautiful scenery you desire, you can't do any better >than Kansas or Oklahoma. > So true. And Vancouver Island is full of rampaging cougars, so that's off the list. Diane, Vancouver Island *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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