Clyde.Sisler_at_wang.com writes: > I want to know how I'm going to get my big head and shoulders into that > little cockpit and then have enough room, strength and flexibility to reach > my arms in past the foot peg thingees to secure a foot pump to the forward > bulkhead. Given the easier installation and much lower cost, I'm going to try an electric pump first to see if I can get satisfactory performance. Not much to risk, I'll need an outlet port in either case, will carry a hand pump as back-up. Will report. Here's a roundup of sources and prices: Attwood Model 4140-1 3 D-cells & motor sealed in one unit. About $33 with hose. Rule 360, Rule 500 and many other 12-volt pumps, used with 12-volt or 2 6-volt batteries, can be sealed in Tupperware-type plastic boxes. $15-$40 for pump only. The Bosworth Guzzler foot pump Model 400-S, about 1.5 lbs., Be sure to specify the 'Direct Action Foot/Hand Spring Return' not Lever Action. About $43 All above available from motor/sail boat suppliers, including West Marine Peabody MA 978-535-7332. Lendal foot pump. $52 Electric pump, battery and motor sealed in one unit, sold with Skerray kayaks, but adaptable. $65 Henderson foot pump $173 Henderson foot pump installed in a new kayak: $243 All above available through dealers from Great Rivers Outfitters http://www.erols.com/rapids/GRO/dealers.htm See page for dealer list *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I think we should forget about putting electric pumps in kayaks and put in electric toasters instead! Cu Bob Denton *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Hey all, anyone know how NRS Hyrdoskin compares to fuzzy rubber? I curious about warmth, quality and how quickly it dries. Any complaints/comments? -Patrick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Date sent: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:41:28 -0500 To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net From: Patrick Maun <pmaun_at_bitstream.net> Subject: [Paddlewise] Hydroskin vs. Fuzzy Rubber > > anyone know how NRS Hyrdoskin compares to fuzzy rubber? Don't have access to my NRS catalog, Patrick, but it's probably the same thing as "fuzzy rubber", which is a generic name for Malden Mills' Rubberized Thermal Stretch material. In an attempt to gain product differentiation, a lot of producers are putting their own names on the stuff, but it's probably all out of the same mill in Massachusetts. Ask NRS if that's really what it is --- bethca they tell you it's the same stuff. REI has a special name for it, as does Lochsa and a lot of other producers. As to warmth, the school version is that it's equivalent to two to three mil neoprene, but the more cautious say it's closer to two mil. Was paddling in mine last night, did some rolls --- in a SOT, a roll is a thoroughly wet experience --- did some swims, showered in it, hung it out and it was dry --- all but the ankle cuffs --- this morning. Basically good stuff, but I still like the non-rubberized Thermal Stretch better. Both beat three mil neoprene any day, but there's about a 50% cost bogie for similar protection. Jack Martin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Hydroskin and fuzzy rubber are very different. I have both. They are both lightweight but that is the only similarity. Fuzzy rubber has a fuzzy lining with a stretchy rubbery material on the outside; hydroskin is like a thin neoprene lined with nylon.... is the best way I can describe it. Karen Jack Martin wrote: > > Date sent: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:41:28 -0500 > To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > From: Patrick Maun <pmaun_at_bitstream.net> > Subject: [Paddlewise] Hydroskin vs. Fuzzy Rubber > > > > > anyone know how NRS Hyrdoskin compares to fuzzy rubber? > > Don't have access to my NRS catalog, Patrick, but it's probably > the same thing as "fuzzy rubber", which is a generic name for > Malden Mills' Rubberized Thermal Stretch material. In an attempt > to gain product differentiation, a lot of producers are putting their > own names on the stuff, but it's probably all out of the same mill in > Massachusetts. Ask NRS if that's really what it is --- bethca they > tell you it's the same stuff. REI has a special name for it, as does > Lochsa and a lot of other producers. > > As to warmth, the school version is that it's equivalent to two to > three mil neoprene, but the more cautious say it's closer to two > mil. Was paddling in mine last night, did some rolls --- in a SOT, a > roll is a thoroughly wet experience --- did some swims, showered in > it, hung it out and it was dry --- all but the ankle cuffs --- this > morning. Basically good stuff, but I still like the non-rubberized > Thermal Stretch better. Both beat three mil neoprene any day, but > there's about a 50% cost bogie for similar protection. > > Jack Martin > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** -- Karen Hancock San Clemente, CA magpi_at_access1.net 949/487-2602 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Date sent: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:28:58 -0700 From: Karen <magpi_at_access1.net> To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Hydroskin vs. Fuzzy Rubber > Hydroskin and fuzzy rubber are very different. I have both. They are > both lightweight but that is the only similarity. Fuzzy rubber has a > fuzzy lining with a stretchy rubbery material on the outside; hydroskin > is like a thin neoprene lined with nylon.... Thanks for the correction, Karen --- shoulda' checked my sources before transmitting. So how do the materials compare? Jack Jack *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Hydroskin and fuzzy rubber are very different. I have both. They are > both lightweight but that is the only similarity. Fuzzy rubber has a > fuzzy lining with a stretchy rubbery material on the outside; hydroskin > is like a thin neoprene lined with nylon.... Thanks for the correction, Karen --- shoulda' checked my sources before transmitting. So how do the materials compare? Jack Here's my interpretation of the "facts" gathered by talking with an NRS rep at a paddle show - sold me on it, have worn it a few times, very comfortable, no swims - Incidentally, I don't have any experience with "fuzzy rubber", which I understand is produced by Malden Mills ( the Polartec Fleece people ). NRS Hydroskin was reported ( by the NRS guy ), to be more puncture proof than fuzzy rubber due to it's 4 way stretch properties. The .5 mm layer of neoprene is bonded to the other layers with a cement that includes flecks of titanium - which is a technology borrowed from the Scuba diving wear - the metal is supposed to reflect body heat back to to the wearer. The inner layer is reportedly micro-fleece to add insulation value. Supposed to be equivalent to about 2.5mm neoprene. My personal ability to compare Hydroskin to other fuzzies or neoprene wet suits is nil, as it is the only thing I have any experience with. Dan Williams *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I bought a pair of Hydroskin socks. They seem quite warm although I haven't used them outside yet. One thing to report, the material is extremely stretchy, much more than anything of neoprene has a right to be. I found that when I ordered the socks using their measuring scale, they turned out too big. I didn't want to wear them outside and returned them. The smaller size just arrived this afternoon after a morning paddle trip. These fit fine. I would think, based on this experience, that if you plan to buy the stuff, get something closer to your usual size. Normally with neoprene, I tend to go a size or so larger. Go with your true size and it should fit like a glove, a soft comfortable glove. That should make it a worthwhile having if you need something for transitional times such as this time of year. As for its warmth, judging by what the material contains (as mentioned below) and where NRS placed it in their catalog (same page virtually as their 2 mm neoprene) that it is probably in the 2 mm neoprene effective class, i.e. take the suggestion mentioned below from a NRS person that it is 2.5 with a grain of salt. I have high hopes for the product. ralph diaz DANJW_at_aol.com wrote: > > Hydroskin and fuzzy rubber are very different. I have both. They are > > both lightweight but that is the only similarity. Fuzzy rubber has a > > fuzzy lining with a stretchy rubbery material on the outside; hydroskin > > is like a thin neoprene lined with nylon.... > > Thanks for the correction, Karen --- shoulda' checked my sources > before transmitting. > > So how do the materials compare? > > Jack > > Here's my interpretation of the "facts" gathered by talking with an > NRS rep at a paddle show - sold me on it, have worn it a few times, very > comfortable, no swims - Incidentally, I don't have any experience with "fuzzy > rubber", which I understand is produced by Malden Mills ( the Polartec Fleece > people ). > NRS Hydroskin was reported ( by the NRS guy ), to be more puncture > proof than fuzzy rubber due to it's 4 way stretch properties. The .5 mm layer > of neoprene is bonded to the other layers with a cement that includes flecks > of titanium - which is a technology borrowed from the Scuba diving wear - > the metal is supposed to reflect body heat back to to the wearer. The inner > layer is reportedly micro-fleece to add insulation value. Supposed to be > equivalent to about 2.5mm neoprene. My personal ability to compare Hydroskin > to other fuzzies or neoprene wet suits is nil, as it is the only thing I have > any experience with. Dan Williams > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 5/13/99 7:02:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, magpi_at_access1.net writes: << Hydroskin and fuzzy rubber are very different. I have both. They are both lightweight but that is the only similarity. Fuzzy rubber has a fuzzy lining with a stretchy rubbery material on the outside; hydroskin is like a thin neoprene lined with nylon.... is the best way I can describe it. >> But what's the difference in performance? BijiliE *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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