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From: <dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Pro's and Con's of the "Swede Form"/ Sub Bulges
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:28:23 -0400
I read/saw a documentary that the Navy/Government was researching technology
that could track subs buy using space based systems with radar/lasers that would
measure the subs bulge in the water.

The water has to go somewhere when a sub is submerged but to measure it?  Would
be really impressive if it was possible even on a calm day.

Food for thought....
Dan


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From: Matt Broze <mkayaks_at_oz.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Pro's and Con's of the "Swede Form"/ Sub Bulges
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:12:13 -0700
I figured that a computer looking for wave patterns could cancel out all the
obvious ones and then look for a hump that moved like a sub over time.
If they could, the subs would then probably find a wave pattern and pace it
to hide the motion of their hump by cloaking themselves in a wave pattern.
Getting kind of far afield from kayaks here but understanding the difference
between surface vessels and subs might shed some light on how a surface
vessel works.
Matt Broze
http://www.marinerkayaks.com
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From: dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com <dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com>
To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Pro's and Con's of the "Swede Form"/ Sub Bulges


>
>
>I read/saw a documentary that the Navy/Government was researching
technology
>that could track subs buy using space based systems with radar/lasers that
would
>measure the subs bulge in the water.
>
>The water has to go somewhere when a sub is submerged but to measure it?
Would
>be really impressive if it was possible even on a calm day.
>
>Food for thought....
>Dan
>
>
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From: Nick Schade <schade_at_guillemot-kayaks.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Pro's and Con's of the "Swede Form"/ Sub Bulges
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:14:33 -0400
At 10:28 PM -0400 6/2/99, dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com wrote:
>I read/saw a documentary that the Navy/Government was researching technology
>that could track subs buy using space based systems with radar/lasers that
>would
>measure the subs bulge in the water.
>
>The water has to go somewhere when a sub is submerged but to measure it?
>Would
>be really impressive if it was possible even on a calm day.
>

Having worked for a Navy lab primarily concerned in antisubmarine warfare,
it is my understanding that this was looked into and found not to be as
effective as sonar for detecting subs, but then again, I worked for a sonar
lab, so people were a bit biased.



Nick Schade
Guillemot Kayaks
10 Ash Swamp Rd
Glastonbury, CT 06033
(860) 659-8847

Schade_at_guillemot-kayaks.com
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