Not relevant for all paddlers but I would be interested in comments from "been there, done that" paddlers. I have asked Arthur Herbert separately for his comments, as I know he has dealt with this problem. I am considering an extended solo open water crossing that would probably take about 35 days. This goal is to be achieved in the next five years. I've noted previous paddler's have ensured they travelled in a stable kayak (Ed Gillet using a modified double, Dr Lindemann's in a single inflatable with an outrigger, etc.) and used methods such as sleeping in a sitting position. Also know of Peter Treseder who kayaked across the Timor Sea (between Australia and PNG) who had an inflatable raft (he is a tall guy!) which he jumped into when needing rest and presumably inflated/deflated as required. Interested in other paddler's experiences and/or suggestions. Thanks in advance. Damon *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Damon, I think you are wrong about Dr. Lindemann. I think he crossed the Atlantic twice - first in a dugout canoe, and then in a double Klepper folding kayak. Of course, I'll defer to Ralph Diaz if I have the facts wrong here! Damon wrote :... Dr Lindemann's in a single inflatable with an outrigger, etc. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Ives <ssives_at_erols.com> To: Howes, Damon - MAJ <howesd_at_eustis.army.mil>; paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Sleeping in your sea kayak... >Damon, > > I think you are wrong about Dr. Lindemann. I think he crossed the >Atlantic twice - first in a dugout canoe, and then in a double Klepper >folding kayak. Of course, I'll defer to Ralph Diaz if I have the facts >wrong here! > >Damon wrote > >:... Dr Lindemann's in a single inflatable with an outrigger, etc. Damon was right single 17 feet long 36" beam Arthur Hebert >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Arthur Hebert wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Ives <ssives_at_erols.com> > To: Howes, Damon - MAJ <howesd_at_eustis.army.mil>; > paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> > Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 1:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Sleeping in your sea kayak... > > >Damon, > > > > I think you are wrong about Dr. Lindemann. I think he crossed the > >Atlantic twice - first in a dugout canoe, and then in a double Klepper > >folding kayak. Of course, I'll defer to Ralph Diaz if I have the facts > >wrong here! > > > >Damon wrote > > > >:... Dr Lindemann's in a single inflatable with an outrigger, etc. > > Damon was right single 17 feet long 36" beam > Arthur Hebert Dr. Lindemann first did the trip in an African dugout freighter canoe. Then he decided to do it again. It most definitely was not an inflatable boat nor was it a single. It was a doublefolding kayak, a Klepper Aerius II bought without fanfare from the company in Germany and shipped to him in the Canary Islands. They had no idea who he was nor what he intended to do so it came to him in stock form. The only changes he made to the boat was to setup an outrigger, place a mizzensail behind them with a half paddle for a mast, and had an extra layer of canvas sewn on to the entire rear deck and slightly up alongside him in the cockpit. When I asked him in an interview for Sea Kayaker and my own newsletter what was his most difficult moment he said "buying the boat!!" He had little money and was paying for everything out of his own pocket. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Dr. Lindemann first did the trip in an African dugout freighter > canoe. Then he decided to do it again. It most definitely was not > an inflatable boat nor was it a single. It was a doublefolding > kayak, a Klepper Aerius II bought without fanfare from the company > in Germany and shipped to him in the Canary Islands. They had no > idea who he was nor what he intended to do so it came to him in > stock form. The only changes he made to the boat was to setup an > outrigger, place a mizzensail behind them with a half paddle for a > mast, and had an extra layer of canvas sewn on to the entire rear > deck and slightly up alongside him in the cockpit. If you are interested in a picture of Lindemanns boat, look at this: http://www.deutsches-museum-bonn.de/meisterwerke/klepper/default.html Rainer Schroeter Marburg, Germany *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>> Damon was right single 17 feet long 36" beam >> Arthur Hebert >Ralph Diaz wrote; It most definitely was not an >inflatable boat nor was it a single. It was a doublefolding kayak, a >Klepper Aerius II bought without fanfare from the company in Germany and >shipped to him in the Canary Islands. I stand corrected, thanks for the info Ralph. What was the length and beam of the Klepper Aerius ll, curious? Arthur *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Arthur Hebert wrote: > > >> Damon was right single 17 feet long 36" beam > >> Arthur Hebert > > >Ralph Diaz wrote; > It most definitely was not an > >inflatable boat nor was it a single. It was a doublefolding kayak, a > >Klepper Aerius II bought without fanfare from the company in Germany and > >shipped to him in the Canary Islands. > > I stand corrected, thanks for the info Ralph. > What was the length and beam of the Klepper Aerius ll, curious? > Arthur What you stated, more or less, i.e. about 17 ft long (actual measurement is something like 16 ft 11 inches) and about 36 inch beam (I say "about" since the amount of inflation of the sponsons will vary the beam a smidgen). ralph -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Just wanted to let everybody know that even after my disastrous (and expensive) attempt with Folboat's Aleut and Greenland II, I still maintained my subscription to Folding Kayaker because there are many excellent articles of general paddling interest - plus I want a K-Light one day and the back page is loaded with ads. Just got the May/June (??? - running late, were we, Ralph?) issue and the cover story is "K-Light: Fresh Look At A New Classic." I'll be in NYC from September 3 -12; hope I get to meet you Ralph. Sandy Kramer Miami, Florida *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sandykayak_at_aol.com wrote: > > Just wanted to let everybody know that even after my disastrous (and > expensive) attempt with Folboat's Aleut and Greenland II, I still maintained > my subscription to Folding Kayaker because there are many excellent articles > of general paddling interest - plus I want a K-Light one day and the back > page is loaded with ads. Since this went out to the entire PaddleWise group, I thought I need to address it. The publication does concentrate on folding kayaks but per force it will slip over into items that may be of a more general paddling interest. Items like Dealing With Traffic, Camping out of a Small Kayak, etc. are examples. But it really is about folding kayaks and I don't want anyone to consider subscribing under false pretenses. > > Just got the May/June (??? - running late, were we, Ralph?) issue and the > cover story is "K-Light: Fresh Look At A New Classic." Well, look at my surname; it's Latino...I operate on a Manana Calendar :-) The article on the K-Light mentioned here looks at the K-Light as new classic. The classic folding kayaks have previously been doubles such as the Klepper Aerius II and the old Folbot Super. This is the first foldable single that has gotten that level of popularity and ubiquitiousness that makes it a classic. One of the aspects about the impact of the K-Light that I mentioned in the article is that it is surprisingly fast compared to longer kayaks. Something I have observed and heard from many sources. I just got email from a woman in Maryland who wrote "I just got my most recent newsletter. It was great to read about the K-Light being a classic! I have been very happy with it so far. And I have been able to keep up with men that are much stronger than I am in larger boats! I am really glad you suggested this boat." It is something I hear so often that it makes me wonder why, except for all out racing, why bother with longish boats that are more expensive, heavier and awkward to deal with on land and in rooftopping. > > I'll be in NYC from September 3 -12; hope I get to meet you Ralph. This is a good opportunity to reiterate the standing invitation for those visiting NYC. Give me a call or drop me an email. We may be able to get you on the water out of the Downtown Boathouse and its public boats. Casey Walker recently wrote up his report to the Statue of Liberty over the 4th of July weekend in the regular free trips the Boathouse runs to there. Others who have availed themselves include Rich Mitchell a few years back. Now if all 400 plus Paddlewisers show up at once, well, we may have to force everyone to paddle in a New York minute. :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I must add that Ralph is one of New York's most gracious hosts. His generous loan of a boat and a trip to the Statue of Liberty at sunset were gifts long to be cherished for which I remain most grateful. I don't mean to sound maudlin but everyone should reflect on the liberties we enjoy in a gently bobbing kayak beside a thoughtful friend on a warm summer evening at the base of that great statue as the lights of one of the world's great crucibles of culture, New York, begin to sparkle on the skyline. If you take that sort of experience for granted, or just another boat trip, life has become less than it could be. There are also a raft of excellent modest priced restaurants a short jaunt away from the boat house and Ralph's great company to share. Thanks again, Ralph, for what you teach us about folding boats, and about the lives they can enrich. > > This is a good opportunity to reiterate the standing invitation for > those visiting NYC. Give me a call or drop me an email. We may be able > to get you on the water out of the Downtown Boathouse and its public > boats. Casey Walker recently wrote up his report to the Statue of > Liberty over the 4th of July weekend in the regular free trips the > Boathouse runs to there. Others who have availed themselves include > Rich Mitchell a few years back. Now if all 400 plus Paddlewisers show > up at once, well, we may have to force everyone to paddle in a New York > minute. :-) > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter > PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 > Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com > "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** -- Richard G. Mitchell, Jr. Oregon State University Department of Sociology Corvallis, OR 97331 (541) 752-1323 phone/fax mitchelr_at_ucs.orst.edu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Richard Mitchell wrote: > If you take that sort of experience for granted, or just >another boat trip, life has become less than it could be. Very, very, very well said.... *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Richard G. Mitchell, Jr. wrote: > > I must add that Ralph is one of New York's most gracious hosts. His generous loan > of a boat and a trip to the Statue of Liberty at sunset were gifts long to be > cherished for which I remain most grateful. I don't mean to sound maudlin but > everyone should reflect on the liberties we enjoy in a gently bobbing kayak beside > a thoughtful friend on a warm summer evening at the base of that great statue as > the lights of one of the world's great crucibles of culture, New York, begin to > sparkle on the skyline. If you take that sort of experience for granted, or just > another boat trip, life has become less than it could be. There are also a raft > of excellent modest priced restaurants a short jaunt away from the boat house and > Ralph's great company to share. Thanks again, Ralph, for what you teach us about > folding boats, and about the lives they can enrich. The neighborhood in which the Downtown Boathouse is located is Tribeca which was in the news this last week because JFK Jr. lived there just 4 blocks or so from the Boathouse where he kept two kayaks. (Tribeca comes from TRiangle BElow CAnal st.) The restaurant we went to with my wife and a German-born friend was Bubby's one of JFK Jr.'s favorite spots. Also celebrities like Robert de Niro and Harvey Kreitel frequent the place. And of course visiting PaddleWise dignitaries such as Rich Mitchell. :-) When PaddleWiser Casey Walker was here on the 4th of July, I was hoping to invite him for lunch at a local restaurant, Walker's because of the name being the same as his surname, but he got away before I could make the offer. A corner of that restaurant was constantly peeking into the shrine-like scene in front of Kennedy's building as the two buildings abutt. Again, if all 400 PaddleWisers show up at once, I think I will leave town. :-) ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Again, if all 400 PaddleWisers show up at once, I think I will leave > town. :-) > > ralph diaz uhm... that would be approximately 550 PaddleWisers these days :-) Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sandykayak_at_aol.com wrote: > > Just wanted to let everybody know that even after my disastrous (and > expensive) attempt with Folboat's Aleut and Greenland II, I still maintained > my subscription to Folding Kayaker [snip] Hmmmmm?!! I've owned a Greenland II for three seasons and find it a very satisfactory boat, albeit not as spiffy as Feathercraft. However, at half the cost, the spiff/dollar ratio is about the same as for fancier boats. Taken my G II all over, and done a lot of extended touring in it. Outfitted it with "improvements," too. What about the G II did not work for you? (No need to detail the Aleut's deficiencies -- it is so small I'd need one for each leg <G>!) -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 7/27/99 6:58:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dkruger_at_pacifier.com writes: << What about the G II [Folboat's Greenland II] did not work for you? (No need to detail the Aleut's deficiencies -- it is so small I'd need one for each leg <G>!) I bought Ralph's book and decided on Folboats because of the affordability and my estimated needs which were going to be relatively simple. also, at that time I was living in a townhouse and boat storage was an important consideration. I'm a 5'0", single, non-technically oriented woman. I was overwhelmed with the whole thing. I had it in the water once - for less than 30 mins. As for the Aleut: I think it took me something like 2 or 3 hours to assemble (remember, I'm non-technical - I'm a writer!). I used it a few times, including one night "Sierra Club culinary canoe trip" where we had some weather on the return. I felt completely safe - like a rubber ducky bobbing along. So that was a good experience. I really got turned off on a canal trip where everyone else was in hardshells and I felt as if I was riding a tricycle and everyone else was on 10-speeds!! The clincher was when - and it was about a 6-hour paddling day - I realized that I was in absolute agony. I know my butt was the worst problem, but I felt I never wanted to paddle that boat again. Then, I had left it assembled and it froze on me. I also managed to break/snap something as I tugged. I remember writing to the manufacturers and never getting a reply. There's more, but I'm trying to forget! Nightmare. I know many people are very happy with Folboats. I remember calling Ralph about his newsletter and telling him of my experience. He said something like, "Yeah, they are slow compared to hardshells." My paddling pals are mostly "hardshellers." Sandy Kramer >> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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