At 07:20 PM 8/26/99 EDT, KayakherSC_at_aol.com wrote: >Aha, I knew it! Shawn is not alone! Now future responses can be titled >Shawn *and* Wes Get Flamed for Using Bungees. Just reading the subject >heading makes me laugh out loud, and god knows I can always use a good laugh. > :) Sandy <still chuckling to herself> Dana Decker wrote: > If Shawn or anybody else wants to take a chance on losing their kayak by using bungees then lord help them I think more of my kayak than to take the chance. They better use bow and stern line cause they going to need them. When I used to use bungies a lot with my foam blocks, I always used bow and stern lines. Yes, they were definitely needed both for preventing side-to-side movement and uplift. Now that I have saddles and NRS straps, I've *gasp!* neglected to use the bow and stern lines anymore. The strap/saddle combination seems _way_ more secure than the old bow-stern painter/bungie/belt/suspender/shoelace/dental floss/old extension cord combination. Shawn *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 8/27/99 11:27:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, baker_at_montana.com writes: << I've *gasp!* neglected to use the bow and stern lines anymore. >> SHAWN IS ABOUT TO GET FLAMED AGAIN!!! Sandy Kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Shawn wrote: > << I've *gasp!* neglected to use the bow and stern lines anymore. >> Sandykayak_at_aol.com wrote: > SHAWN IS ABOUT TO GET FLAMED AGAIN!!! > > Sandy Kramer ROTFLMAO! :) My racks are on the topper, though, 7 feet apart. There is only 5' of boat sticking out either end, so really, there isn't near as much torque on the boat as when I used to carry it on my car with 3' rack spacing, and the old bungies and foam block system, and I absolutely needed painters. Now I'm prolly going to get flamed for having carried my boat on a _car_!...and on _Yakima_ racks to boot!....and I paddle a _sea_kayak_ 700 miles from the nearest ocean!!! Shawn "Flame-Bait" Baker :) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Shawn, WW Grainger is having a sale on asbestos suits..... With any luck, they have some with built in PFD's ;-) Scott A strapless kinda guy, a little closer to Cuba tonight *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 MadPoodle_at_aol.com wrote: > Shawn, WW Grainger is having a sale on asbestos suits..... With any luck, > they have some with built in PFD's ;-) Hey, quit pickin' on poor Sean, for pete's sake, he doesn't even know how to spell his own name... Elaine Harmon - eilidh_at_dc.seflin.org - eharmon_at_cs.miami.edu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Poor Shawn, I must come to your aid. Just be patient and one of those who have flamed you will break their kayaks back from putting too much pressure on the bow & sterns. A kayak is much happier being firmly attached near bulkheads or near the cockpit with perhaps a loosE restaining line for emergency, off either bow OR stern but not both. ONLY AN OPINION Hang in there, Pat --- "Shawn W. Baker" <baker_at_montana.com> wrote: > Shawn wrote: > > << I've *gasp!* neglected to use the bow and > stern lines anymore. >> > > Sandykayak_at_aol.com wrote: > > SHAWN IS ABOUT TO GET FLAMED AGAIN!!! > > > > Sandy Kramer > > ROTFLMAO! :) > My racks are on the topper, though, 7 feet apart. > There is only 5' of > boat sticking out either end, so really, there isn't > near as much torque > on the boat as when I used to carry it on my car > with 3' rack spacing, > and the old bungies and foam block system, and I > absolutely needed > painters. > > Now I'm prolly going to get flamed for having > carried my boat on a > _car_!...and on _Yakima_ racks to boot!....and I > paddle a _sea_kayak_ > 700 miles from the nearest ocean!!! > > Shawn "Flame-Bait" Baker :) > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: > paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> >When I used to use bungies a lot with my foam blocks, I always used bow >and stern lines. Yes, they were definitely needed both for preventing >side-to-side movement and uplift. Now that I have saddles and NRS >straps, I've *gasp!* neglected to use the bow and stern lines anymore. >The strap/saddle combination seems _way_ more secure than the old >bow-stern painter/bungie/belt/suspender/shoelace/dental floss/old >extension cord combination. >Shawn > Some people never learn yoou will be flamed again for not using bow and stern lines and admitting it ,SHAME on you now that tread will go on and on and on( PS. I don't either) Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
-----Original Message----- From: Shawn W. Baker <baker_at_montana.com> >When I used to use bungies a lot with my foam blocks, I always used bow >and stern lines. Yes, they were definitely needed both for preventing >side-to-side movement and uplift. Now that I have saddles and NRS >straps, I've *gasp!* neglected to use the bow and stern lines anymore. >The strap/saddle combination seems _way_ more secure than the old >bow-stern painter/bungie/belt/suspender/shoelace/dental floss/old >extension cord combination. >Shawn > Yes they are way more secure but you are still trusting the attachment of your rack to your car's roof to hold it all. Bow and stern lines diminish the possibility of attachment failure by limiting the upward, forward/back (if the lines are in a trapezoidal rather than parallelogram configuration when viewed from the side) and side to side ranges of motion stressing the attachments to the roof. If the rack comes loose for whatever reason bow and stern lines will minimize the damage potential too. Also no single failure in the system will lead to a disaster. Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Wheww, I never knew hauling a yak on a rack was so dangerous! Guess I'll just stick to shovin mine in the back o the truck, hangin a pair o red flannels offen the back, and spittin chaw at them there pesky tailgaters. Much safer I reckun.. Scott TFIC, closer to Cuba 2nite *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Matt Broze wrote: >Yes they are way more secure but you are still trusting the attachment of >your rack to your car's roof to hold it all. Bow and stern lines diminish >the possibility of attachment failure by limiting the upward, forward/back >(if the lines are in a trapezoidal rather than parallelogram configuration >when viewed from the side) and side to side ranges of motion stressing the >attachments to the roof. If the rack comes loose for whatever reason bow and >stern lines will minimize the damage potential too. Also no single failure >in the system will lead to a disaster. >Matt Broze I agree re: limiting upward/forward/back and side-to-side motion. I generally do use a bow painter when I will be traveling at highway speeds. My custom rack is bolted to my topper with 10 bolts. My topper would come off of the pickup before the rack would detach from the topper. If this happened, I'm looking at a big insurance claim whether someone else was hit by the kayak/topper or the kayak and topper separately! If toppers regularly detached, the insurance companies would inevitably make you pay dearly for a "topper rider" to cover such accidents. Shawn *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I find it increasingly difficult to use bow and stern lines, especially when I rent some of the newer vans (one way rentals are a great way to not have to back-track on a two week trip, for example). The plastic bumpers and cheap chromed plastic abrades so easily on there new aroedynamic vehicles. Padding seems to come loose from in behind the rope. I still use a bow and stern line, and make sure the rental had lots of dirt on it! On my own car, I use a nice red Canadian flag part way down the stern line so people dont bump their heads into the stern of my yak. In summer, a lot of people wear brimmed hats, and they just don't see the end of the yak sticking out - the flag part way down helps. BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd At 04:27 PM 8/27/99 -0700, you wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Shawn W. Baker <baker_at_montana.com> > >>When I used to use bungies a lot with my foam blocks, I always used bow >>and stern lines. Yes, they were definitely needed both for preventing >>side-to-side movement and uplift. Now that I have saddles and NRS >>straps, I've *gasp!* neglected to use the bow and stern lines anymore. >>The strap/saddle combination seems _way_ more secure than the old >>bow-stern painter/bungie/belt/suspender/shoelace/dental floss/old >>extension cord combination. >>Shawn >> >Yes they are way more secure but you are still trusting the attachment of >your rack to your car's roof to hold it all. Bow and stern lines diminish >the possibility of attachment failure by limiting the upward, forward/back >(if the lines are in a trapezoidal rather than parallelogram configuration >when viewed from the side) and side to side ranges of motion stressing the >attachments to the roof. If the rack comes loose for whatever reason bow and >stern lines will minimize the damage potential too. Also no single failure >in the system will lead to a disaster. >Matt Broze >http://www.marinerkayaks.com > > > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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