I know that this is a total newbie question, but as my new kayak will be here very shortly, it's important to me! I have discovered that there are no roof racks made for my car. Thus I will have to buy another vehicle to transport the kayak. Pickups are cheap, but look as though they would require a ladder rack for kayaks. Suv's can accomodate a roof rack, but are rather pricey, and gas guzzelers to boot. Don't personally like vans. Any suggestions or comments on transportation vehicles and/or methods would be deeply appreciated. *********************************************** * Matthew Blumenthal * * Fremont CA * * Potter, Guitar Player, General Computer Nut * * mattb_at_ix.netcom.com * * http://www.mattegrafix.com * * ICQ 12691259 * *********************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 03:07 8/8/99 -0700, Matthew Blumenthal <mattb_at_ix.netcom.com> wrote: >I know that this is a total newbie question, but as my new kayak will be >here very shortly, it's important to me! > >I have discovered that there are no roof racks made for my car. Thus I will >have to buy another vehicle to transport the kayak. i have a great set of yakima racks that fit all my cars, except my newest, so i bought an artificial set of raingutters made by yakima, and took them to my local body shop. i explained what i wanted, and how strong it neded to be [my wife drove another car there to pick me up as i dropped off the first car] i climbed up on top... i'm 6' [1.8m] and 200# [90kg]!! a big guy!! they then realized how strong it had to be!! they pulled out the headliner to attach the "gutters" and found the strongest part of the roof. it cost less then $200 for the labor, and about $50 for parts... of course, i own my car, if you lease, that wouldn't work. >Pickups are cheap, but look as though they would require a ladder rack for >kayaks. i carry 2 sea kayaks, or a canoe and one or two kayaks [depending on whether they are glass or plastic, etc] on my honda civic, or my subaru... i prefer the subaru if driving dirt roads, as its a 4 wheel drive, so the mud isn't as much a pain. the lower height of the car makes unloading and loading a breeze. the rack on the subaru is high enough i can fully open the trunk and just clear the boat on the roof, whereas with a boat on the hatchback won't let me open it... >Suv's can accomodate a roof rack, but are rather pricey, and gas guzzelers >to boot. > >Don't personally like vans. > >Any suggestions or comments on transportation vehicles and/or methods would >be deeply appreciated. a car or station wagon is best... no need for big vehicle at all. the subaru will do the speed limit with 2 boats and 2 people, even over most of colorado's passes... the honda is far more comfortable for long drives, with power everything ;-) ... i'd use what ever you have, or buy an older used 4 door or station wagon... unless you're paddling back country lakes, you don't really _need_ anything more... unless i'm really missing something... mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index of Paddling websites I manage] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. --Pablo Picasso *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Matthew Blumenthal wrote: > I know that this is a total newbie question, but as my new kayak will be > here very shortly, it's important to me! > > I have discovered that there are no roof racks made for my car. Thus I will > have to buy another vehicle to transport the kayak. > My solution: cheap pickup, cab-level shell on the bed, Yakima racks mounted on the shell with rain gutter simulators. Provides transportation for the boats, a place to sleep sometimes, lots of room to stow wet, muddy gear. Steve Cramer Test Scoring & Reporting Services Sometimes you never can University of Georgia always tell what you Athens, GA 30602-5593 least expect the most. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 8/8/99 8:13:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, canoeist_at_netbox.com writes: << i'd use what ever you have, or buy an older used 4 door or station wagon... >> I love it when people agree with me!!! Sandy Kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 03:07 AM 8/8/99 -0700, Matthew Blumenthal wrote: >Any suggestions or comments on transportation vehicles and/or methods would >be deeply appreciated. Have you thought about adding a trailer hitch to your car and getting a small utility trailer? That's an option I've been considering even thought I have racks for my car. I thought the trailer would come in handy for when I have more than one kayak to transport and for other things. I can't quite lift my riding mower up to the roof of my car when it needs to go into the shop. Luke ---------------------------------------------------------------- Luke Hoffman lukeh_at_hiwaay.net These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. Groucho *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 03:07 AM 8/8/99 -0700, Matthew Blumenthal wrote: >I know that this is a total newbie question, but as my new kayak will be >here very shortly, it's important to me! > >I have discovered that there are no roof racks made for my car. Thus I will >have to buy another vehicle to transport the kayak. Get a trailer. Beats the heck out of roof racks anyway, since you don't have the high overhead load and unload problem. Good lightweight trailer hitches, installed, run about $125. Lightweight boat trailers new run $400-$500, but if you nose around the right sporting goods stores or marinas, you can get a lightweight used one good for hauling an aluminum fishing boat for around $100, and you're ready to go, and you're still beating the cost of racks. The trailer I use is an old, about 1970, Sears utility trailer, with the box -- I got it several years ago for $50. The tongue is way too short for a kayak, but some square steel tubing from a local welding shop, a drill motor and some bolts extended it enough to use. The boats go on a double-wide rack built out of 2x4s and carpeting. The nice thing about trailers is they take a load/unload cycle out of each kayaking trip. Since the boat stays on the trailer except when its not at the lake, there's no loading up when leaving home or unloading when getting back. Downsides -- you do have to learn how to back up with a trailer. Fortunately, it's easiest when you have a long tounge on the trailer, and practice helps. Finding parking when you stop at the convenience store for coffee while on the way to an early morning paddle can be tough, though. Frankly, there are so many advantages to trailering kayaks I don't know why more people don't do it. Hope this helps. -- Wes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>Any suggestions or comments on transportation vehicles and/or methods would >be deeply appreciated. Hi Matt et al! Look for an old Subaru GL wagon, '82 to '84 vintage; reliable as a stone axe, reasonable fuel economy, wonderfully ugly, roof gutters. As a bonus, if you can find one with the hi/lo 4wd tranny you'll go places the hi-dollar SUV crowd only talk about (can't scratch up that new paint, y'know). About $1,000 will secure a fine specimen around here. M'lady -n- I have toted our canoes all over the place with ours, including some secluded mountain lakes at the far end of fairly serious four-wheel-drive roads. "The Beast" is pushing past the 200K mark with only a few minor mechanical woes to its discredit (but plenty of dings, bashes, scratches, etc). We like it a lot. ByeBye! S. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Matthew: I use a Ford Range pickup truck and getting the kayak(s) up there by using a set up I designed. The front rack is a Tule bar and commercial rack ... the back rack is wooden 2 x 3 s (upside down U ) the up rights are shaved and taped to fit into the holes in the top/side of the bed just behind the cab which is a strech/king cab. This allows the rack to move back and forth a few inches. The rack itself is home made with 2 x 3, 1/4" ply wood and black bathroom rug. I made a third rack that fits over the tail gate so the kayak can slide up the tail gate to the back rack and once pushed up far enough up the back rack, you let it down onto the front immovable rack ...readjust the back rack, strap/tie it down and off you go! Ginny Matthew Blumenthal wrote: > .......Pickups are cheap, but look as though they would require a ladder rack > for > kayaks.......Any suggestions or comments on transportation vehicles and/or > methods would > be deeply appreciated. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I consider my '91 Honda Civic Hatchback SI to be the ultimate sea kayaking car. Low roof makes it easy to load boats. It's held four for a shuttle. Packed it with 2 kayaks and gear and food and water for 2 people for three weeks in Baja. Great mileage. Fun to drive. Only drawback is that when the hatch is up it bumps the kayaks on the roof. Barbara At 03:07 AM 8/8/1999 -0700, Matthew Blumenthal wrote: >I know that this is a total newbie question, but as my new kayak will be >here very shortly, it's important to me! > >I have discovered that there are no roof racks made for my car. Thus I will >have to buy another vehicle to transport the kayak. > >Pickups are cheap, but look as though they would require a ladder rack for >kayaks. > >Suv's can accomodate a roof rack, but are rather pricey, and gas guzzelers >to boot. > >Don't personally like vans. > >Any suggestions or comments on transportation vehicles and/or methods would >be deeply appreciated. > > > > > >*********************************************** >* Matthew Blumenthal * >* Fremont CA * >* Potter, Guitar Player, General Computer Nut * >* mattb_at_ix.netcom.com * >* http://www.mattegrafix.com * >* ICQ 12691259 * >*********************************************** >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** > > Barbara Kossy Communications PO Box 434 Moss Beach, California 94038 tel. 650-728-8720 fax 650-728-8753 bkossy_at_igc.org *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>I know that this is a total newbie question, but as my new kayak will be >here very shortly, it's important to me! Matt, This is not a newbie question at all. You see kayakers with all sorts of cars. Therefore, there is not a consensus for the ULTIMATE PADDLING MACHINE ... carrier. I went thru the same gyrations a few years ago when I took up kayaking. I bought my first used kayak, the "S.F. Minnow" (Seda Tango Double ~21.5'), with only a convertible to carry it with... Luckily I lived by the water and wheeled it ~3/4 mile to SF Bay and never took the kayak any distance on my car. Alas, I got tired of paddling the same place and looked for a new car. And i thought this kayaking habit might stick around. Into the used car lots I go. Sometimes a friend would go with me as I made this monumental decision. I went thru the standard choices, 4x4. truck, etc. The problem is lifting and clearance for the kayak on top of the car. During my mountain biking phase, I had many envious friends as I drove around in my spider with yakima racks on the trunk. I could drive under garages and gates and often did not off load. I was spoiled and looked for the same in a kayak car. My friends thought my brain was water logged as I stated my criteria for a kayak car: Raingutters, height, and roof line length. Then one day...there she was... the car of my wet dreams. In a used car lot I spotted an 80's style Volvo 740 wagon. It wasn't the make, model, color, or even the shape she was in that caught my eye. "Check out the raingutters on that car!" I blurted to my friend. My heart raced in anticipation as I imagined my Yakima cradles gently but firmly cupping the Minnow while mounted on my Volvo wagon. At ~9 ft separation of the bars, I can practically place my kayak on top and not even tie it down. ...Which I of course, unkowingly demonstrated once with my 20' Looksha II. I can drive into garages and leave my yak on top. Saves mucho time. I found out recently that a river kayak fits inside just fine. My car really smells like the ocean now. Of course, owning a wagon, and being an eligible male paddler, immediately set me up for much ridicule. I thought I might nip the jokes in the bud by placing on my car items such as: "baby on board" signs and "My child is an honor student at Emery HS" stickers. But the cost prevented me from doing such... Then, I moved to San Diego. My real estate agent thought my brain was water logged when I stated my criteria for a kayak house!.... That's another story... Live long and paddle, Albert Wang > > >At 03:07 AM 8/8/1999 -0700, Matthew Blumenthal wrote: >>I know that this is a total newbie question, but as my new kayak will be >>here very shortly, it's important to me! >> >>I have discovered that there are no roof racks made for my car. Thus I will >>have to buy another vehicle to transport the kayak. >> >>Pickups are cheap, but look as though they would require a ladder rack for >>kayaks. >> >>Suv's can accomodate a roof rack, but are rather pricey, and gas guzzelers >>to boot. >> >>Don't personally like vans. >> >>Any suggestions or comments on transportation vehicles and/or methods would >>be deeply appreciated. >> >> >> >> >> >>*********************************************** >>* Matthew Blumenthal * >>* Fremont CA * >>* Potter, Guitar Player, General Computer Nut * >>* mattb_at_ix.netcom.com * >>* http://www.mattegrafix.com * >>* ICQ 12691259 * >>*********************************************** >>************************************************************************** * >>PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >>Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >>Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >>Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >>************************************************************************** * >> >> >Barbara Kossy Communications >PO Box 434 Moss Beach, California 94038 >tel. 650-728-8720 fax 650-728-8753 >bkossy_at_igc.org >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Albert Wang wrote: I'm a big fan of Saabs, there are brass inserts in the frame of newer models for the roofrack to attach to, the 99s and previous generation 900s had about a 5' roof line with nice solid gutters.. With the rear seat folded down I can fit a twin bed mattress in, for "comfy" car camping. The roof line doesn't come close to the 9' on your Volvo 740 though. > Then, I moved to San Diego. My real estate agent thought my brain was water > logged when I stated my criteria for a kayak house!.... A real estate agent was a bit taken aback when I measured the garage and rejected one house, without going in, because the garage was only 17' from door to back wall. I don't own any boats that short... kirk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Kirk Olsen wrote: > A real estate agent was a bit taken aback when I measured the garage and > rejected one house, without going in, because the garage was only 17' from > door to back wall. My real estate agent quickly got used to the fact that the _first_ thing I'd check is the garage. She quickly became an expert at the intricacies of fitting kayaks into garages via hoists (tall ceilings), wall mounts etc. She also didn't bat an eye when I turned down a house solely in the basis of the garage length. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Here is my 1999 Loon 138 atop my 1987 Chevrolet Celebrity Wagon http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/3057/pt60618.jpg The factory roof rack works great. A couple foam blocks and tie down straps was all I needed. It is low enough to the ground that I can R&R it solo. It's nice having the space inside to stow bicycles, camping gear, etc. The old car runs great too (140,000 miles). Drove it from Chicago to Tampa round trip in January and did not have a single problem. -Bob Matter *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 8/10/99 11:47:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bkossy_at_igc.org writes: re Honda Civic << It's held four for a shuttle. >> Just out of curiosity, how did you do that? Do you have saddles? Stackers? Sandy Kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hm...Well start with two pairs of saddles, put the heaviest, sturdiest kayaks on the bottom. Depending on the shapes of the hulls and decks you may want to put them upside down. Secure with rope or webbing and bow and stern lines, then put the other two up on top, maybe on an angle. For this you need tall people. Then more rope, and more rope after that, then some more on the bow and stern and Voila'. It's easier to do with verticle poles, then you lay each of the four on it's side, secured to the pole. A loop on top of the pole helps. Later, Barbara At 01:22 PM 8/10/1999 EDT, Sandykayak_at_aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/10/99 11:47:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bkossy_at_igc.org >writes: > > >re Honda Civic ><< It's held four for a shuttle. >> > >Just out of curiosity, how did you do that? Do you have saddles? Stackers? > >Sandy Kramer > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** > > Sea Kayak Italy http://www.seakayakitaly.com tel. 650-728-8720 fax 650-728-8753 bkossy_at_igc.org *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
A newbie question- I have recently begun paddling. I had many wrist injuries in my youth and I am concerned about the long term effects of bending my wrist while using a feathered paddle. What are the advantages of feathered over unfeatherd. How much would I risk my wrist to use a feathered paddle? I am interested in river touring w/ mild white water if it is part of the trip. I also hope to do some ocean surfing. Mostly I'm interested in kayaking because I have an injured knee so can not backpack any more and I miss nature. (All those years of Aikido and Ju-jitsu are permanently encoded into my joints) I would appreciate any input from experienced paddles on the respective advantages of feathered and unfeatherd paddles. Robert Lawson *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> A newbie question- > > I have recently begun paddling. I had many wrist injuries in my > youth and I am concerned about the long term effects of bending > my wrist while using a feathered paddle. What are the advantages > of feathered over unfeatherd. How much would I risk my wrist to > use a feathered paddle? > > I am interested in river touring w/ mild white water if it is > part of the trip. I also hope to do some ocean surfing. Mostly > I'm interested in kayaking because I have an injured knee so can > not backpack any more and I miss nature. (All those years of > Aikido and Ju-jitsu are permanently encoded into my joints) > > I would appreciate any input from experienced paddles on the > respective advantages of feathered and unfeatherd paddles. > > Robert Lawson > I too am a relatively newbie to sea kayaking. I found one of the most neutral explanations of the feathered vs. unfeathered debate in 'The Essential Sea Kayaker' by David Seidman. The book lists the pro and cons of both methods and basically states that which ever method works for you, is the one you should use. I've tried both methods, and have found that I prefer unfeathered. Which is good since I'm also making a Greenland style paddle at the moment, which are all unfeathered (to my limited knowledge at the moment). hth Don *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 8/10/99 2:32:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, awang2_at_san.rr.com writes: << In a used car lot I spotted an 80's style Volvo 740 wagon. It wasn't the make, model, color, or even the shape she was in that caught my eye. "Check out the raingutters on that car!" I >> I agree. Just this week I looked at a Volvo wagon and thought, "My next car......." and I bought my Honda Accord wagon with the intention of keeping it for 10 years (and it's paid for!). It's a '95. The The new Volvos don't have rain gutters but that long, sleek, low, flat roof...and with a 9' separation you say?? (what's the female version of a wet dream??) Don't answer - I think I'd rather not get responses to this. It was just a rhetorical question since the phrase was used in the original piece I snipped from. LOL Sandy Kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Barbara Kossy wrote: > I consider my '91 Honda Civic Hatchback SI to be the ultimate sea kayaking > car. > Low roof makes it easy to load boats. It's held four for a shuttle. Packed > it with 2 kayaks and gear and food and water for 2 people for three weeks > in Baja. Great mileage. Fun to drive. > Only drawback is that when the hatch is up it bumps the kayaks on the roof. > Barbara > I've a '92 Civic hatchback and have no complaints at all. Two kayaks, two paddlers and loads of gear. Even with the boats on the roof and a full load I get better fuel economy than most cars under ideal conditions (I've got the V-Tec high fuel economy option). Unfortunately, the newest Civic Hatchbacks don't have the roof or rack capacity to carry a kayak (according to Thule). I'd take a look at the VW Golf TDI. Great fuel economy (important for me - no sense wasting a non-renewable resource and polluting excessively to boot), a reasonable size for a paddler's car and good roof rack system. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>Unfortunately, the newest Civic Hatchbacks don't have the roof or rack >capacity to carry a kayak (according to Thule). I'd take a look at the >VW Golf TDI. Thule doesn't support carrying Kayaks on my '92 Civic 4-door either. Fortunately, Yakima does. -I just bought a rack from them (about a month ago) and it works just great. Don't give up on those Civics!! -Jessica *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>The new Volvos don't have rain gutters but that long, sleek, low, flat >roof...and with a 9' separation you say?? > >Sandy Kramer > Take a closer look. The newer Volvos, like Saabs, have a place to screw in a rain gutter simulator. Open the side doors and see if there's something like that on just below the roof. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Isn't it funny when we kayakers start lusting after rain gutters! I had an old Jeep Cherokee that was great for kayaking. Relatively low roof for a SUV, flat roof, BIG 'OL RAINGUTTERS and metal "keel like" strips that ran the length of the roof that were perfect for sliding stuff on and off the car! ! But of course this genious sold it to get a Mustang Cobra convertible! Gee, now there's a practical car for kayaking! I'm still trying to figure out a way to carry kayaks with the top down! Of course, there's always my wife's Ford Explorer! But I do miss that Jeep! BTW, I'll act mature and fight the temptation to address the female wet dream thread. Although there was that girlfriend at college ..... ;-) - Scott - Scott > Sandy Kramer wrote: >I agree. Just this week I looked at a Volvo wagon and thought, "My next >car......." and I bought my Honda Accord wagon with the intention of keeping >it for 10 years (and it's paid for!). It's a '95. The > >The new Volvos don't have rain gutters but that long, sleek, low, flat >roof...and with a 9' separation you say?? (what's the female version of a >wet dream??) Don't answer - I think I'd rather not get responses to this. >It was just a rhetorical question since the phrase was used in the original >piece I snipped from. LOL > >Sandy Kramer > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
re Honda Civic << It's held four for a shuttle. >> >Just out of curiosity, how did you do that? Do you have saddles? >Stackers? > >Sandy Kramer Stackers for the boats or stackers for the paddlers? ;) Shawn (I'm 6'-6"--I'd be hard pressed to fit 4 of me in a civic!) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At least your station wagon is NOT build out of a truck with 1941 vintage suspension and structure. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 8/11/99 12:26:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ssives_at_mindspring.com writes: << But of course this genious sold it to get a Mustang Cobra convertible! Gee, now there's a practical car for kayaking! I'm still trying to figure out a way to carry kayaks with the top down! Of course, there's always my wife's Ford Explorer! >> Ask Chuck Landis to send you that picture of his K-light on his convertibel VW bug!! that is a sight to see!! Seriously, I met a couple with a convertible who tow their Hobie Odyssey (small double - about 14') on a jet ski (!!!) trailer. Sandy Kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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