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From: James Lofton <n5yyx_at_etsc.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] the challange(thinking out loud)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:10:27 -0700
A while back Dave Kruger wrote and mentioned an old photo, and with this 
thread on saturation getting the discussion that it has, got me to 
thinking.
Someone wrote once(on anouther list)that many of us have photograpic 
memories, but just run out of film at the wrong times. This really is 
true.

I'm in my mid 50's and I have spent my whole life in the outdoors. I grew 
up mostly alone, on a farm and ranch, miles from anyone my own age. I 
grew close to nature at a very early age. I have seen lots of changes, 
and I have lots of opions on them too, but that's not what this is about, 
as such.

It is about what each of you can do to document what is going on around 
each of you, and how the little pocket you paddle is changing.
Even short term memory is bad, and trying to REALLY remember exactlly 
what has changed over a long period can be confusing. With out notes, 
drawing, and pictures, it can be amazingly bad and wrong.
For instance:
My wife and I bought this little 25 acres of blown out grass land, about 
22 years ago. It had been broken out for farming and it had failed. It 
had blown down to the harder clay in places, and by the time we bought 
it, it had been fenced off and left to fend for itself(just what we 
wanted)for several years. Each year we have taken uncountable pictures of 
out here, and each year I take a series of pictures from the same 
location that shows the changes, as the years go by. If it wasn't for 
these series of pictures, I wouldn't believe what has changed over the 
years!! Two years ago, on the 1st day of aug. I took pictures of 47 
differant wild flower spieces, that were all in bloom(I didn't plant 
any). 22 years ago, in that same area, there was only scattered grass and 
drifting sand dunes.
Case two: Christmas day, 1986 found a friend and I way back up Ute creek, 
a creek that feeds Ute lake, NM. That winter the damn hadn't been raised 
and it was just a natural creek still. We camped in a bend of the creek, 
high up on a bluff, overlooking a big grove of anchant sp? cottonwood 
trees. Christmas morning we buried a turkey(and all the trimings)in a bed 
of coals, broke the ice around our kayaks, and paddled as far up stream 
as we could. That entire area is under many feet of water today, with 
only the very tops of the highest trees still showing their ghostly 
reminder that there was a "habitat" under there. I'm glad I was there 
back then, and I'm also glad I have lots of pictures.

What all this has been leading to: Everyone has been talking about the 
changes that are going on, but everyone seems to see it through differant 
eyes. Some say it's crowded and some say they need more kayakers. I say 
take pictures of what is now. Not just those pictures of "here is my 
kayak and the camp"(I take them too), but what the area looks like. What 
it really looks like. Show what makes it special. Show what makes you sad 
about the area, the traffic, the plants. Make notes or even sketches. The 
more you get into it the more you will get to know your area(s).., and I 
guarentee you that once you have gotten on your belly to take a close up 
of a tiny flower, sweat getting in your eye and a mosquito all the while 
trying to make you move, that you will never walk through the woods quite 
the same way.

Why all the trouble? If we are to save the wildness we need an army of 
people with facts about what is happening out there. A series of pictures 
taken from someone that is out there and watching the changes may just be 
make that differance that helps it take place. 
At the very least, you can show your grandchildren what it was like, back 
then, and you will grow closer to your surrondings in the process.

Sorry about the long winded, poor gramered, and misspelled jumble of 
words. I'll go back out and do what I do best..keep quit and watch.

James, why I take pictures(don't relate too good with words) :>)

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From: <Sandykayak_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] the challange(thinking out loud)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:31:25 EDT
In a message dated 9/27/99 4:35:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, n5yyx_at_etsc.net 
writes:

<< James, why I take pictures(don't relate too good with words) :>) >>
Well, James, for someone who doesn't relate with words, you did a pretty 
darned good job!

Sandy Kramer
a writer who can't add worth a damn!
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From: Andree Hurley <ahurley_at_viewit.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Help test new message system at Canoe & Kayak?
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:28:09 -0400 (EDT)
I just added a new message board at the Canoe & Kayak magazine website and
am wondering if anyone would like to try it out....it's not linked from
the index yet. I added some topic headings to start, but maybe I'll need
more. I'm not sure if users (other than administrators) can add topics. We
can add various moderators, however. 

At any rate the url is http://www.canoekayak.com/discus/

Thanks in advance!

Andree Hurley
Hurley Design Communications - ICQ# 27469637
On-line Editor - http://www.canoekayak.com
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From: <BijiliE_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] the challange(thinking out loud)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:01:54 EDT
In a message dated 9/27/99 1:35:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, n5yyx_at_etsc.net 
writes:

<< I say take pictures of what is now. Not just those pictures of "here is my 
 kayak and the camp" (I take them too), but what the area looks like. What 
 it really looks like. Show what makes it special. Show what makes you sad 
 about the area, the traffic, the plants. Make notes or even sketches. The 
 more you get into it the more you will get to know your area(s), and I 
 guarantee you that once you have gotten on your belly to take a close up 
 of a tiny flower, sweat getting in your eye and a mosquito all the while 
 trying to make you move, that you will never walk through the woods quite 
 the same way.
 
 Why all the trouble? If we are to save the wildness we need an army of 
 people with facts about what is happening out there. A series of pictures 
 taken from someone that is out there and watching the changes may just be 
 make that difference that helps it take place. 
 At the very least, you can show your grandchildren what it was like, back 
 then, and you will grow closer to your surroundings in the process. >>

Dear James,

This is a wonderful suggestion! Thanks for your sharing. I hope to do just 
that with my paddling buddies.
 
<< Sorry about the long winded, poor gramered, and misspelled jumble of 
 words. I'll go back out and do what I do best..keep quit and watch. >>

I don't think you're long-winded or poor-grammered. Just get yourself a 
spellchecker for your email (LOL).

BijiliE
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From: Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] the challenge(thinking out loud)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 04:10:36 -0700
James Lofton wrote:
> 
> A while back Dave Kruger wrote and mentioned an old photo, [SNIP]

> What all this has been leading to: Everyone has been talking about the
> changes that are going on, but everyone seems to see it through differant
> eyes. Some say it's crowded and some say they need more kayakers. I say
> take pictures of what is now. Not just those pictures of "here is my
> kayak and the camp"(I take them too), but what the area looks like. What
> it really looks like. Show what makes it special. Show what makes you sad
> about the area, the traffic, the plants. Make notes or even sketches. The
> more you get into it the more you will get to know your area(s).., and I
> guarentee you that once you have gotten on your belly to take a close up
> of a tiny flower, sweat getting in your eye and a mosquito all the while
> trying to make you move, that you will never walk through the woods quite
> the same way.
> 
> Why all the trouble? If we are to save the wildness we need an army of
> people with facts about what is happening out there. A series of pictures
> taken from someone that is out there and watching the changes may just be
> make that differance that helps it take place.
> At the very least, you can show your grandchildren what it was like, back
> then, and you will grow closer to your surrondings in the process.

Your writing is very eloquent!

The pictures *are* critical.  The one I mentioned was of La Jolla in 1918, and
I am very wistful for the California I enjoyed as a boy in the early '50's.

However, I think it is neurotic of me to "wish" La Jolla had not changed.  I
have to let go of what happened to a huge chunk of Southern California (and I
think I have, for the most part).  Rather, I need to take your advice and use
what happened there as an object lesson to help people from perpetuating the
same thing in areas which demand preservation.  With an ever-burgeoning
population, we can not expect to preserve much, but we should make *conscious*
choices and not *unconscious* ones.

The pictures are powerful convincers.

Thanks again for your wonderful contribution.

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: James Lofton <n5yyx_at_etsc.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] the challenge(thinking out loud)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:55:44 -0700
Dave Kruger wrote:
> 
> James Lofton wrote:
> >
> > A while back Dave Kruger wrote and mentioned an old photo, [SNIP]
> SNIP<
> Your writing is very eloquent!
> 

Not sure about that, but thank you Dave, Deb, and all the others that 
wrote privately and on list. A big thanks that we have a list like this 
to share thoughts. I will shop for one of those books that help you 
spell(can't spell that either):-)


> The pictures *are* critical.  The one I mentioned was of La Jolla in 1918, and
> I am very wistful for the California I enjoyed as a boy in the early '50's.
> 
> However, I think it is neurotic of me to "wish" La Jolla had not changed.

I don't thank so! I often wonder why we have to change everything.? 
People move to the desert and want to pipe in water and grow things. 
People move to the woods and the first thing they want to do is cut trees 
down. They move to the swamps and drag out the dredges.
When I first homesteaded in AK, I thought it was PERFECT, and all I 
wanted was a cabin and to just raise my family and live with the land. 
Can you emagine my shock when a fellow homesteader approched me and 
wanted to know if I would be interested in joining a comunity growth 
league.! They wanted to get a bureau organized and get fed/state money. 
See about getting some kind of develoment started, etc, etc........

No Dave, I don't think that makes you neurotic. I think that people that 
move to a pristeen area with the thought of change are tho!


  I
> have to let go of what happened to a huge chunk of Southern California (and I
> think I have, for the most part).  Rather, I need to take your advice and use
> what happened there as an object lesson to help people from perpetuating the
> same thing in areas which demand preservation.  With an ever-burgeoning
> population, we can not expect to preserve much, but we should make *conscious*
> choices and not *unconscious* ones.
> 

Good words. Sometime we can't stop change or the march of "progress"(what 
a word), but we can sure slow or stop it long enough for certain changes 
to be done, that can at least minamize the destruction. Look at the 
pipeline up in Alaska. Sure it went through, but a large number of 
changes was forced to take place before it was. As destructive as it 
was(I watched it go practally by my door, and have flown it's full length 
several times), pressure by groups and well careing people, atleast 
limited it."and no I didn't work for them, and refused every penny of 
blood money they wanted to pay"

There is hope.




> The pictures are powerful convincers.
>

 
> Thanks again for your wonderful contribution.
>

..and thanks for neurotic people like you, that sees the change and don't 
necessarly like it all, and most importantly, set about shouting about 
it.

James
 
> --
> Dave Kruger
> Astoria, OR


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From: Reeves, Debbie (Debbie) <"Reeves,>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] the challange(thinking out loud)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:25:32 -0400
I don't know James.  I thought it was pretty eloquent.

Debs

> ----------
> From: 	James Lofton[SMTP:n5yyx_at_etsc.net]
> 
> 
> Why all the trouble? If we are to save the wildness we need an army of 
> people with facts about what is happening out there. A series of pictures 
> taken from someone that is out there and watching the changes may just be 
> make that differance that helps it take place. 
> At the very least, you can show your grandchildren what it was like, back 
> then, and you will grow closer to your surrondings in the process.
> 
> Sorry about the long winded, poor gramered, and misspelled jumble of 
> words. I'll go back out and do what I do best..keep quit and watch.
> 
> James, why I take pictures(don't relate too good with words) :>)
> 
> 
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