>Spent 8 hours paddling through tree tops decorated with decaying wild pigs, >only to have the group forgotten by the "outfitter". Truly the paddle from >hell. My SO will not even look at a boat now. .... Yup pay close attention >to the water level. >Ed >Atlanta Kayakers Website >http://atlkayakers.home.mindspring.com/kayak > > Well you got to see the other side of the paddle, tree top paddling, strainers galore and no telling what you would find in the trees after high water. Dana Sure, Just remember your nose clips, rubber gloves, drybag everything, remove your rudder and maybe a space blanket & Valium for your hypothermic anxious honey. :-) Oh and bring your won shuttle. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 11:51 AM 10/27/99 -0400, Mustash wrote: >>Spent 8 hours paddling through tree tops decorated with decaying wild pigs, >>only to have the group forgotten by the "outfitter". Truly the paddle from >>hell. My SO will not even look at a boat now. .... Yup pay close attention >>to the water level. >>Ed >>Atlanta Kayakers Website >>http://atlkayakers.home.mindspring.com/kayak >> >> > >Well you got to see the other side of the paddle, tree top paddling, >strainers galore and no telling what you would find in the trees after high >water. > >Dana > >Sure, >Just remember your nose clips, rubber gloves, drybag everything, remove your >rudder and maybe a space blanket & Valium for your hypothermic anxious >honey. :-) Oh and bring your won shuttle. > It just occurred what trip you were talking about. Is it the one for all the clubs to get together last year? If so yall were the ones forgotten and missed dinner if I remember right. I learned a lot participating in that paddle , like the people organizing needed to keep count on how many people were put on the river, how many were taken off the river, no matter what, if the water is to high and dangerous cancel the event. I hope the outfitter at Hidden river ( Barbara) learned the lesson cause the trip was a accident waiting to happen and she was lucky no one got hurt or died. Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I just discovered an interesting report on air quality in national parks. The report is interesting in that it points the finger at snowmobiles as being a main contributer to air quality problems. "When compared to automobile emissions, snowmobiles can emit 100 times more carbon monoxide and 300 times more hydrocarbons," the report states. The report notes a study that was conducted at Yellowstone to monitor personal exposure for particulate matter and volatile organic compounds. "The maximum time-weighted concentration of particulate matter on the 13th and 14th of February showed concentrations of 116 and 122 particulate matter, respectively; the National Ambient Air Quality Standard for acceptable particulate matter concentrations is 60. To put this in perspective, the maximum 24-hour particulate matter concentration in the Los Angeles suburb of Azusa in 1997 was 68." The National Park Service summary of the report is available at: http://www.nps.gov/morningreport/msg00384.html It's down toward the end of the page. Read the full summary -- it's interesting. A bit dry, but brutal. OK, so what does this have to do with kayaking? Simple -- jetskis use the same two-stroke engines as snowmobiles. I've commented that you can smell a jetski whether you can hear it or not, and there are a lot of two-stroke outboards out there as well that even stinkier cusses. There have been recent attempts to ban two-stroke engines for marine use in several areas, and they've met with a fair amount of success. While jetskis and their users can often be a pest, they do have some ground to stand on from a fair-use viewpoint, at least to some degree. Air pollution issues, however, are different, and jetskis are vulnerable to them. -- Wes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I seem to recall that the bigger pollution issue with the 2 strokes in Jet Ski's is that they end up dumping about a third of the gasoline they use into the water. -----Original Message----- From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net> To: PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 1:33 PM Subject: [Paddlewise] jetskis and air pollution >I just discovered an interesting report on air quality in national parks. >The report is interesting in that it points the finger at snowmobiles as >being a main contributer to air quality problems. "When compared to >automobile emissions, snowmobiles can emit 100 times more carbon monoxide >and 300 times more hydrocarbons," the report states. > >The report notes a study that was conducted at Yellowstone to monitor >personal exposure for particulate matter and volatile organic compounds. >"The maximum time-weighted concentration of particulate matter on the >13th and 14th of February showed concentrations of 116 and 122 particulate >matter, respectively; the National Ambient Air Quality Standard for >acceptable particulate matter concentrations is 60. To put this in >perspective, the maximum 24-hour particulate matter concentration in >the Los Angeles suburb of Azusa in 1997 was 68." > >The National Park Service summary of the report is available at: > >http://www.nps.gov/morningreport/msg00384.html > >It's down toward the end of the page. Read the full summary -- it's >interesting. A bit dry, but brutal. > >OK, so what does this have to do with kayaking? Simple -- jetskis use the >same two-stroke engines as snowmobiles. I've commented that you can smell >a jetski whether you can hear it or not, and there are a lot of two-stroke >outboards out there as well that even stinkier cusses. > >There have been recent attempts to ban two-stroke engines for marine use >in several areas, and they've met with a fair amount of success. While >jetskis and their users can often be a pest, they do have some ground to >stand on from a fair-use viewpoint, at least to some degree. Air pollution >issues, however, are different, and jetskis are vulnerable to them. > >-- Wes > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not >to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 11:51 AM 10/27/99 -0400, Mustash wrote: >>Spent 8 hours paddling through tree tops decorated with decaying wild pigs, >>only to have the group forgotten by the "outfitter". Truly the paddle from >>hell. My SO will not even look at a boat now. .... Yup pay close attention >>to the water level. >>Ed >>Atlanta Kayakers Website >>http://atlkayakers.home.mindspring.com/kayak >> >> > >Well you got to see the other side of the paddle, tree top paddling, >strainers galore and no telling what you would find in the trees after high >water. > >Dana > >Sure, >Just remember your nose clips, rubber gloves, drybag everything, remove your >rudder and maybe a space blanket & Valium for your hypothermic anxious >honey. :-) Oh and bring your won shuttle. > Dana Wrote: It just occurred what trip you were talking about. Is it the one for all the clubs to get together last year? If so yall were the ones forgotten and missed dinner if I remember right. I learned a lot participating in that paddle , like the people organizing needed to keep count on how many people were put on the river, how many were taken off the river, no matter what, if the water is to high and dangerous cancel the event. I hope the outfitter at Hidden river ( Barbara) learned the lesson cause the trip was a accident waiting to happen and she was lucky no one got hurt or died. Dana Well I wasn't going to name names as the woman was as humiliated as I was furious and I would hope she got it together. I have to say one of the pissyest moments that after walking for GA to FL to find a phone (was only about a mile) I was told (not by Barbara) that "well gee we're in the middle of dinner and everybody's been drinking, we'll get to you when we can" Turns out that Brad Manley from PaddleFlorida & some guy from the Silent Otters brought a flatbed & a trailer down to rescue us. The women were terrified. I thought it was about the best ride I'd had in a loooong time. Ed Atlanta Kayakers Website http://atlkayakers.home.mindspring.com/kayak *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> From: dldecker_at_se.mediaone.net > It just occurred what trip you were talking about. Is it the one for all > the clubs to get together last year? > If so yall were the ones forgotten and missed dinner if I remember right. I > learned a lot participating in that paddle , like the people organizing > needed to keep count on how many people were put on the river, how many > were taken off the river, no matter what, if the water is to high and > dangerous cancel the event. I hope the outfitter at Hidden river ( Barbara) > learned the lesson cause the trip was a accident waiting to happen and she > was lucky no one got hurt or died. > > Dana Since this gathering was promoted on both PaddleWise and GASP, I'd be interested in a trip report from anyone that was on that trip. Cheers, Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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