"You should read some of the Australian kayaking club newsletters. Australian male kayakers seem very aggressive and make rude comments in print about fragile female egos and women who can't keep up with their superior paddle pace. On second thought, maybe you should move down there!" That should really be "...maybe you should move up here!" Many maps unfortunately follow the Northern Hemisphere to the top convention. There is just as much to be said for the reverse, and the Australian Geographic Society can supply you with a world map oriented this way. BTW, feminist thought police are everywhere, even up here. You'd better look like a sensitive new age guy, or your reproductive opportunities will be limited. (Just kidding, but let's see what flak this draws!) Regards, PT *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Peter, Let me get this straight: Australia isn't "down-under", its "up-there", or is that "up-over", or maybe "high-south". This is all very confusing to me. So I guess our perception of Australia in a "bottom convention" is politically incorrect to you Aussies. Well, then how come at the last Amway convention I attended, all of the visiting macho male Australian men spent the whole time looking at North American women's bottoms? This just doesn't make sense. I'm going to have to write to the Australian Pornographic Society. Maybe they can help me figure out these ups and downs. BTW, if your male paddlers are so fast, how come they can't outrun the crocodiles and avoid getting half-eaten? I know your Aussie women are a bit slower, apparently, but they never seem to get bit. Maybe they are a little faster with the logic and avoid islands surrounded by crocs. Just an observation. BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd (sinking to new lows) At 02:52 PM 11/25/99 +1100, you wrote: >"You should read some of the Australian kayaking club newsletters. > > >Australian male kayakers seem very aggressive and make rude comments in > > >print about fragile female egos and women who can't keep up with their > > >superior paddle pace. On second thought, maybe you should move down there!" > > >That should really be "...maybe you should move up here!" Many maps >unfortunately follow the Northern Hemisphere to the top convention. There is >just as much to be said for the reverse, and the Australian Geographic Society >can supply you with a world map oriented this way. > > >BTW, feminist thought police are everywhere, even up here. You'd better look >like a sensitive new age guy, or your reproductive opportunities will be >limited. > > >(Just kidding, but let's see what flak this draws!) > > > > > >Regards, > > >PT *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug: If you spend your time at Amway conventions, you can expect to get an unrepresentative sample of the Sons of Oz. Like the obese North Americans seen around tourist viewpoints in Australia muttering "Gee, Mabel, ain't we got a bigger one of those in Texas?", the exports are generally of lower quality. We'll never know the whole story regarding this year's crocodile attack on Cape York, but it's possible the croc was a female, and fast enough to catch up! You're lucky you only have bears and mosquitoes to contend with. BTW, and more seriously, keep up the training session reports. Better still, write a syllabus for training sea kayakers. Regards, PT ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_bc.sympatico.ca> To: Peter Treby <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au> Cc: <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Top of the World | Peter, | Let me get this straight: Australia isn't "down-under", its "up-there", or | is that "up-over", or maybe "high-south". This is all very confusing to me. | So I guess our perception of Australia in a "bottom convention" is | politically incorrect to you Aussies. Well, then how come at the last Amway | convention I attended, all of the visiting macho male Australian men spent | the whole time looking at North American women's bottoms? This just doesn't | make sense. I'm going to have to write to the Australian Pornographic | Society. Maybe they can help me figure out these ups and downs. | | BTW, if your male paddlers are so fast, how come they can't outrun the | crocodiles and avoid getting half-eaten? I know your Aussie women are a bit | slower, apparently, but they never seem to get bit. Maybe they are a little | faster with the logic and avoid islands surrounded by crocs. Just an | observation. | | BC'in Ya | Doug Lloyd (sinking to new lows) | | At 02:52 PM 11/25/99 +1100, you wrote: | >"You should read some of the Australian kayaking club newsletters. | > | > | >Australian male kayakers seem very aggressive and make rude comments in | > | > | >print about fragile female egos and women who can't keep up with their | > | > | >superior paddle pace. On second thought, maybe you should move down there!" | > | > | >That should really be "...maybe you should move up here!" Many maps | >unfortunately follow the Northern Hemisphere to the top convention. There is | >just as much to be said for the reverse, and the Australian Geographic | Society | >can supply you with a world map oriented this way. | > | > | >BTW, feminist thought police are everywhere, even up here. You'd better look | >like a sensitive new age guy, or your reproductive opportunities will be | >limited. | > | > | >(Just kidding, but let's see what flak this draws!) | > | > | > | > | > | >Regards, | > | > | >PT | | *************************************************************************** | PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not | to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission | Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net | Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net | Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ | *************************************************************************** | *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
We'll never know the whole story regarding this year's crocodile attack on > Cape York, but it's possible the croc was a female, and fast enough to catch > up! > | BTW, if your male paddlers are so fast, how come they can't outrun the > | crocodiles and avoid getting half-eaten? I don't kow where peter is in australia but if he cares to attend the NSWSKC Rock'nRoll weekend this weekend he can see the scars in the flesh and talk to the croc wrestler. Not wanting to be too serious here in response to these not-so-serious postings... but the attack was in shallow water and the kayaker was out of his boat. an article on this attack should soon be on the NSWSKC Web site. I'm not sure about the image we seem to have OS.....a bunch of neanderthal, macho, chauvinist, hardcore, 'no fear' bozos. Hmmmm nick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Nick: I'm in Melbourne, safely out of the range of saltwater crocodiles, although Great Whites come in record size off Phillip Island. I've seen the television coverage of the crocodile attack on Arunas Pylka. The tooth puncture wounds looked awful when he was in the Thursday Is. hospital. I hope they have healed and he makes a full recovery. I gather that the rescue efforts of his fellow paddlers were efficient, really excellent. In particular, if Dave Winkworth went into the water and wrestled with the croc, this shows great instinctive courage (and proves all the heroic, macho comments about Oz paddlers true!) But I wonder if anyone has any theories on prevention of crocodile attacks? Do paddlers up north simply have to hope that the chances of attack are small? While obvious croc habitat, creeks, mangroves etc should be avoided, saltwater crocodiles range well out to sea and along all sorts of coastline. And due to protection, (which I agree with), the big ones are getting bigger. BTW, where do you buy a plastic Skerray in Australia? Regards, PT ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Gill <nicholas.gill_at_adfa.edu.au> To: Peter Treby <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au> Cc: paddlewise <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Top of the World *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>I'm not sure about the image we seem to have OS.....a bunch of neanderthal, macho, chauvinist, hardcore, 'no fear' bozos. Hmmmm > I suppose that the most common reference we may have to OZ would be "The Thorn Birds" miniseries, and the book of course. I'm also an avid mystery reader and one of my favorite sleuths is Napoleon Bonaparte, a Police Inspector from Sydney who is half aborigine. The novels were written by Arthur W. Upfield and some of the milieu he describes resonates with our US sense of the frontier....... Joe P. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
the 'frontier' !!... choke splutter.... don't get me going, my Phd is on the outback. Lots of travelling and hanging out and working with, and for, pastoralists. Australian literature and cultural studies types have a lot to answer for their representation/analyses of the outback and the bush. Not very frontier-like here in canberra, nor I would argue in much of the outback in many aspects today... but its a long story. nick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
---------- > From: Peter Treby <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au> > hospital. I hope they have healed and he makes a full recovery. haven't seen him for a few weeks but I gather he's fine now. I gather > that the rescue efforts of his fellow paddlers were efficient, really > excellent. In particular, if Dave Winkworth went into the water and wrestled > with the croc, this shows great instinctive courage (and proves all the > heroic, macho comments about Oz paddlers true!) he did indeed. Put his arms around it behind its head. it let go immeadiately. Arunas was bandaged and the EPIRB was set off and rescue came. But I wonder if anyone has > any theories on prevention of crocodile attacks? Do paddlers up north simply > have to hope that the chances of attack are small? While obvious croc > habitat, creeks, mangroves etc should be avoided, saltwater crocodiles range > well out to sea and along all sorts of coastline. they were well offshore and, I'm told not in breeding season. Their risk was minimised, but , of course, not eliminated. > BTW, where do you buy a plastic Skerray in Australia? don't know. Mine's a few years old. I got it through 'Perception Australia' in Adelaide who used to import them - but no longer. I suspect that with the current pound/dollar exchange rate they aren't coming in as a matter of course. They'd be too expensive. I recall a friend of mine in the trade mentioning this a few months ago. There used to be a place in melburne but I have no idea what its called or if they still have them. Might be different now. You could contact VCP direct and ask. seem to be few around second hand nick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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