In response to Andrew's article, in a personal correspondence with George Gronseth, George remarked that if this person had taken his course, then he should have known not to venture forth without tide tables. Having personally taken George's 5 day course, I can attest that George discusses tides and tidal currents in great detail. Discussion is followed by practical application of these concepts. George also noted that at least they had wet & dry suits. Andrew updates his report as follows: ---------- From: Skamokawa Center <skpaddle_at_pacifier.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:26:21 -0800 To: "Robert C. Cline" <rccline_at_swbell.net> Cc: dkruger_at_pacifier.com, rnelson_at_cport.com Subject: Re: Trapped by the tide This is Andrew Emlen writing regarding "Trapped by the Tide." I have one correction (pitfalls of sending out a story in draft form). I checked the Oregon Graduate Institute's data from their monitor at Woody Island, which shows the Columbia's temperature to have been closer to 43? F during the time of the kayakers' ordeal, not 48? as I had reported. This will be useful for any trying to apply the sea conditions rating system to this event. -Andrew ---------- >From: "Robert C. Cline" <rccline_at_swbell.net> >To: skpaddle_at_pacifier.com >Subject: Trapped by the tide >Date: Mon, Mar 13, 2000, 6:49 AM > >Andrew: > >I read your report on Paddlewise. Do you have any objections to forwarding >the article? > >Thanks. > >Robert > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"Robert C. Cline" wrote: > > In response to Andrew's article, in a personal correspondence with George > Gronseth, George remarked that if this person had taken his course, then he > should have known not to venture forth without tide tables. Having > personally taken George's 5 day course, I can attest that George discusses > tides and tidal currents in great detail. Discussion is followed by > practical application of these concepts. > > George also noted that at least they had wet & dry suits. And George also knows that not every student diligently applies and uses correctly (in context) what they were "taught." George does a hell of a job in his courses, as two of my paddling buddies will forswear -- his drilling of the "T" rescue saved them from an uncomfortable (and maybe life-threatening) experience last summer. George does good work. Not everybody absorbs the learning fully. And sometimes every one of us forgets what "we should do." I do, you (all) do. The two kayakers are probably better paddlers for their "experience." > Andrew updates his report as follows: > > ---------- > From: Skamokawa Center <skpaddle_at_pacifier.com> > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:26:21 -0800 > To: "Robert C. Cline" <rccline_at_swbell.net> > Cc: dkruger_at_pacifier.com, rnelson_at_cport.com > Subject: Re: Trapped by the tide > > This is Andrew Emlen writing regarding "Trapped by the Tide." > I have one correction (pitfalls of sending out a story in draft form). I > checked the Oregon Graduate Institute's data from their monitor at Woody > Island, which shows the Columbia's temperature to have been closer to 43? F > during the time of the kayakers' ordeal, not 48? as I had reported. This > will be useful for any trying to apply the sea conditions rating system to > this event. -Andrew -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I would agree 100% with that. What I thought was important was that the article mentioned one of the men as being a former student of George's. I have taken a number of George's courses and I know that the subject of tides is covered in explicit detail...including the problems and dangers of being stranded, particularly in mud flats. And I too have forgotten articles that I would like to have along. I once drove to the coast and found I had left my spray skirt at home. George's course has so much information that this stuff is coming at you in a stream that is hard to remember all of it... so, I personally keep reading reports like these, and keep rehearsing rescues and increasing my skills to help me from making mistakes like this. Yes, I'll bet these guys don't get stranded again. Robert Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:20:30 -0800 > To: PaddleWise <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net> > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Trapped by the tide > > Not everybody absorbs the learning fully. And > sometimes every one of us forgets what "we should do." I do, you (all) do. > The two kayakers are probably better paddlers for their "experience." *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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