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From: Paul Hollerbach <paulhollerbach_at_netzero.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Arrogance reigns
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:29:18 -0500
Yes, arrogance reigns and God protects drunkards and fools, as they say,
but so does the West Chester, PA Emergency Squad.

We had flooding from heavy rains here in the Delaware Valley around
Philadelphia, some areas got a month's worth of rain in less than a day, I
heard reported. As I was driving up to put in some time at the shop
yesterday my mom called to ask if I'd seen the local news, this at 11:30
a.m., that two men were stuck in a tree in the Brandywine Creek in
Pennsylvania, near Chadds Ford, if any of you know the Wyeth family of
painters, (mis-reported as a river by the local newsheads in their
inflammatory fervor) and because of power lines the chopper couldn't lift
them out. I said,"Let me guess, they're in street clothes, right ?"
"Right!"

Well, the 11 p.m. news splashed the story, sure enough the fools were
rescued, putting emergency crews in jeapordy pulling their soggy butts out
of that tree. The creek was raging such that their red canoe, aluminum, I
assume, was below them wrapped around the tree like tissue paper. I can't
guess at the force in cubic feet per minute that put it there. The 12'
rescue dinghy got into trouble once they got the second one aboard, the
outboard stalled and wouldn't re-start, forcing them to rush to throw a
line and secure themselves to the tree before they all went for a ride,
which from what I saw on the clip they just barely did in time. Eventually
they got it started and once back on land, the one of them, in olive drab,
no PFD, pushed aside the reporter at a near-run to the ambulance (while
saying he was alright and wasn't goin' to no hospital) as she asked him if
he would be going out in a small boat again in water like this.

His answer, as he sped past, grinning: "Sure ! Why not ?"

If I were King, I'd have him thrown back in. How did those men who put
themselves in harm's way feel when they heard that ? I think of them, I
think of all the discussion and free advice, learning and cautionary tales
that go through this forum and others. I think of Darwin, too...

~~Paul H.
Burlington, N.J.
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From: Joe Pylka <pylka_at_castle.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Arrogance reigns
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:46:34 -0500
>Yes, arrogance reigns and God protects drunkards and fools, as they say,
>but so does the West Chester, PA Emergency Squad.
>
the one of them, in olive drab,
>no PFD, pushed aside the reporter at a near-run to the ambulance (while
>saying he was alright and wasn't goin' to no hospital) as she asked him if
>he would be going out in a small boat again in water like this.
>His answer, as he sped past, grinning: "Sure ! Why not ?"
>
        Which only underscores the victims' ignorance.  I'm not sure just
what that boat was but I don't think it was aluminum.  May have been a
Coleman.  Picture wasn't that clear on the TV.   And yes, they did not have
a PFD on.
        I am more bothered by the following interview, with the Emergency
Director for Delaware County.  Sittling complacently behind his desk, saying
that nobody has any business being on any river in a canoe or a kayak once
the water rises.  You're only asking for trouble.
        My concern is that, as has happened in other places,  the antics of
the uninformed paddlers will impinge on the responsible activities of the
knowledgeable paddler.  Especially when those access decisions will have
been made by non-paddlers.  It wasn't that long ago that the famous incident
occurred involving Davy Hearn and the Maryland Rangers......
Joe P.


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From: Steve Cramer <cramer_at_coe.uga.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Arrogance reigns
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:18:03 -0500
Joe Pylka wrote:
> 
> >Yes, arrogance reigns and God protects drunkards and fools, as they say,
> >but so does the West Chester, PA Emergency Squad.
> >
> Which only underscores the victims' ignorance.  <snip>
> I am more bothered by the following interview, with the Emergency
> Director for Delaware County.  Sittling complacently behind his desk, saying
> that nobody has any business being on any river in a canoe or a kayak once
> the water rises.  You're only asking for trouble.
>         My concern is that, as has happened in other places,  the antics of
> the uninformed paddlers will impinge on the responsible activities of the
> knowledgeable paddler.  Especially when those access decisions will have
> been made by non-paddlers.  It wasn't that long ago that the famous incident
> occurred involving Davy Hearn and the Maryland Rangers......

I am in agreement with both Paul and Joe. It's not just ignorance and
arrogance. It's that in the eyes of the media and the public, they is
us. I'd bet that the news reports talked about the rescue of "two
canoeists" or "two paddlers," not "two lucky ignorant fools."

However, to set the record straight, it was the Park Police, I believe,
who arrested Davey, acting under the misinformed presumption that
because the river flows past their park, they can dictate who paddles
it. The Potomac is under the jurisdiction of Maryland DNR, and they had
not issued any kind of closure order.

AFAIK, nobody has the jurisdiction to close the ocean, thanks be.

Steve
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From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_gsp.org>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Arrogance reigns
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 02:33:12 -0500
On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 02:46:34PM -0500, Joe Pylka wrote:
>         My concern is that, as has happened in other places,  the antics of
> the uninformed paddlers will impinge on the responsible activities of the
> knowledgeable paddler.  Especially when those access decisions will have
> been made by non-paddlers.  It wasn't that long ago that the famous incident
> occurred involving Davy Hearn and the Maryland Rangers......

And I can feel it starting to happen here.  In the aftermath of
last week's mishap, I've fielded several comments/questions a day
from my neighbors and others here in Chadd's Ford.  (It probably
doesn't help that my boats are red -- same as the OC involved
in the incident.  To my surprise, apparently folks can't distinguish
their red OC from my red 4-meter whitewater slalom K-1.)

Apparently the conclusion that has been drawn is that anyone venturing
onto the river during conditions other than midsummer (~300 CFS, 80
degrees) is crazy.  I'm wondering how long it will be until I get
done with one of my workouts and meet the authorities du jour at
the takeout.

Could be worse -- my partner and I paddle a red *decked* slalom C-2,
and the only reason we're not out there training is that she's
recovering from shoulder surgery. ;-)

---Rsk
Rich Kulawiec
rsk_at_gsp.org
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From: Joe Pylka <pylka_at_castle.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Arrogance reigns
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:50:42 -0500
>However, to set the record straight, it was the Park Police, I believe,
>who arrested Davey, acting under the misinformed presumption that
>because the river flows past their park, they can dictate who paddles
>it. The Potomac is under the jurisdiction of Maryland DNR, and they had
>not issued any kind of closure order.
>
        You're right; it was the Park Police...  I got to thinking that
about 5 minutes after I'd posted...


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From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk_at_gsp.org>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Arrogance reigns
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:06:36 -0500
On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 01:29:18PM -0500, Paul Hollerbach wrote:
> Well, the 11 p.m. news splashed the story, sure enough the fools were
> rescued, putting emergency crews in jeapordy pulling their soggy butts out
> of that tree. The creek was raging such that their red canoe, aluminum, I
> assume, was below them wrapped around the tree like tissue paper. I can't
> guess at the force in cubic feet per minute that put it there.

I live 1.2 miles from the place where this happened; I've trained on
the Brandywine year-round for 8 years now.  When I was headed down
there yesterday -- NOT to paddle, just to eyeball it and be glad
I wasn't out there -- this was apparently all going on, because Route 1
was blocked off .5 mile from the site.

The gauge reading -- and coincidentally, it's located less than 150 yards
from where these two wrapped their canoe -- was 11,000 CFS.   See

	http://wwwpah2o.er.usgs.gov/rt-cgi/gen_stn_pg?station=01481000

where you can still see the spike from yesterday -- note that the
scale is logarithmic.

For comparison, normal flow this time of year fluctuates between 300
and 700 CFS, with spikes up to a few thousand CFS following day-long
rain events.  (This particular event dumped 5 inches in < 24 hours,
which is why the spike was much larger.)

Local rescue types apparently really like choppers -- 5 years ago
there was a similar incident on Perkiomen Creek, 40 minutes north,
and they brought one in from Cape May.  It was all a very dramatic
rescue -- highly dangerous -- but it would have been much simpler
if they'd just used a throw rope with a backup chase boater.
Yesterday was a different -- these two were treed in a wooded
area on the river left bank, and it would *not* be a good place
to be with a rope or in a boat -- too much chance of entanglement
or of becoming victim #3.   So in the case, I agree with their call
to use the motor launch -- I think the motor stalling was just
a bad break.

I can't believe these guys were out there.  I probably know the
river from around Lenape to Wilmington as well as anyone after
all these years, and even I was really intimidated by the power it
was showing yesterday.  [And unlike them, I have *never* gone out
there without a PFD and a helmet.]  I can't begin to understand
the hubris that led them to believe they could handle it.

---Rsk
Rich Kulawiec
rsk_at_gsp.org
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From: Paul Hollerbach <paulhollerbach_at_netzero.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Arrogance reigns
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:11:07 -0500
Joe,

That is disturbing, I didn't see the statement you alluded to. The question
is, who makes these access decisions and does the director have their ear
when they are made ? I agree with you, if only there were some way to
counter it in public, make a positive statement, give a positive
impression, but of course that's not the kind of thing the media covers.

I remember seeing the D. Hearn video and being so angry and frustrated I
could scream, the ignorance and arrogance displayed were only eclipsed by
the stupidity as they saought to arrest him to save him. Did anybody learn
from that one ?

~~Paul H.
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From: Joe Pylka <pylka_at_castle.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Arrogance reigns
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:31:05 -0500
>That is disturbing, I didn't see the statement you alluded to. The question
>is, who makes these access decisions and does the director have their ear
>when they are made ?
        In Delaware County, who knows?  I have concerns about a general
attitude forming....
I assume you are aware of the Tohickon problems.  This is similar in a way
in that some officials have used "safety of paddlers" as an excuse for
cancelling a release last Fall, and again this Spring.  It is fairly evident
that none of these individuals involved had an appreciation of the degree of
risk that can be assumed by an experienced paddler, let alone that the
responsible paddler is fully aware of those risks and knows how to deal with
or, failing that, when to stop.

> I agree with you, if only there were some way to
>counter it in public, make a positive statement, give a positive
>impression, but of course that's not the kind of thing the media covers.
        Unfortunately true.  It is a sensational, very visual, event to put
on the air.  Any downplaying or saying something that might prevent
tragedies in the future tend to be ignored.

        --But I think that is a case of invincible ignorance.  I believe
that neither the news media nor the powers that be in Harrisburg know any
paddlers or how to get in touch with any group representing them.  Further,
they don't know that they don't know.
        Somehow I think paddlers as a demographic group needs to be
recognized.  Perhaps the Tohickon debacle could help.  It seems to have
spurred Harrisburg to do some media spinning this time around, so I think
they may now have some awareness.

JP



>
>I remember seeing the D. Hearn video and being so angry and frustrated I
>could scream, the ignorance and arrogance displayed were only eclipsed by
>the stupidity as they saought to arrest him to save him. Did anybody learn
>from that one ?
>
>~Paul H.
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From: Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Arrogance reigns
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 03:13:20 -0800
Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 02:46:34PM -0500, Joe Pylka wrote:
> >         My concern is that, as has happened in other places,  the antics of
> > the uninformed paddlers will impinge on the responsible activities of the
> > knowledgeable paddler.  Especially when those access decisions will have
> > been made by non-paddlers. 
> 
> And I can feel it starting to happen here.  In the aftermath of
> last week's mishap, I've fielded several comments/questions a day
> from my neighbors and others here in Chadd's Ford. [snip]
> 
> Apparently the conclusion that has been drawn is that anyone venturing
> onto the river during conditions other than midsummer (~300 CFS, 80
> degrees) is crazy.  I'm wondering how long it will be until I get
> done with one of my workouts and meet the authorities du jour at
> the takeout.

And here, also.  Some may recall I posted a description of an "incident" on my
home waters:  the two sea kayakers who got lost on an easy day trip and
abandoned their kayak, and then attempted to "walk" across a swamp-island, to
be plucked from their plight by the CG helo as night fell a day later.

When I launched last week from the marina closest to their mishap, the
harbormaster quized my paddling partner about our preparedness.  The
conversation went something like this: 

HM:  How 'bout those sea kayakers who got rescued!  Do you have a cell phone?  

PP:  No, we have a VHF.  

HM:  Oh, that's good -- I monitor 16, 9, and 13.  

PP:  Yeah, we monitor those, also.  

PP:  Oh, **you sound really prepared for sea kayakers.**

I was not there with George when this went down, or the part emphasized would
have sent me through the roof.

Unfortunately, we will be identified in the minds of the public with folks who
screw up.  There was last summer an op-ed piece in the local newspaper
describing sea kayaking as "dangerous," in the same vein as rock climbing! 
Several paddlers wrote rebuttals in the form of "Letters to the Editor," but of
course they did not have the visibility of the original guest editorial.

What really gripes me is that on local waters, noncommercial power boaters
screw up regularly, with roughly an incident a week requiring CG assistance
during the summer months.  But this is regarded as "normal."

There ain't no justice!

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Arrogance reigns
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 03:22:21 -0800
Dave Kruger wrote:

Excuse my error.

It was the Harbormaster who said the following, not my Paddling Partner:

> HM:  Oh, **you sound really prepared for sea kayakers.**

> I was not there with George when this went down, or the part emphasized would
> have sent me through the roof.

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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